The most blatant example of "Statpadding" in NBA history

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Re: The most blatant "Statpadding" in NBA history 

Post#21 » by Homer38 » Sun May 17, 2020 5:41 pm

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Homer38 wrote:This game by Kevin Durant in 2013 against the Heat

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201302140OKC.html

The heat had the led by 19 points after 3 quarter,so the game was almost over,but KD has had 22 points on 8-10 in the 4th quarter to finish the game at 40 points even if this game has never been close,but LBJ(39 points in this game)had dominate the thunder in this game and KD had inflated his stats in the fourth quarter….KD was 4-14 for 18 points in the first 3 quarter



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I don't know what is stat padding if scoring 22 points in the fourth quarter in a blowout loss is not stat padding….Durant had been awful in the first 3 quarter in this game.
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Re: The most blatant example of "Statpadding" in NBA history 

Post#22 » by wojoaderge » Sun May 17, 2020 5:43 pm

Goudelock wrote:For context, the score of this Lakers win was 124-86 when this sequence began.



Clipper players obviously weren't too offended by the Laker's scrubs trying to pad their stats, which is something that seems to be a theme in older games. But within the last ten years I've been watching, doing something like this would infuriate the losing team and would bring about a near-fight.

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This was the game that set the record for least FT throws in a game until the Magic and Pacers broke it this season. The Clippers shot 9, the Lakers only 3. It was the penultimate game of the season, maybe the referees had given up. The Clippers' playoff chances had ended the night before as Marvin Barnes shot an potential game-tying airball against the Blazers. They only played 7 players in this game as Swen Nater played 48 minutes. See that rebound he grabbed early in the video? It was his 23rd of the game. He would go finish with 26 more rebounds than Moses Malone, giving him the NBA rebounding crown. There's your statpadding . . .
"Coach, why don't you just relax? We're not good enough to beat the Lakers. We've had a great year, why don't you just relax and cool down?"
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Re: The most blatant "Statpadding" in NBA history 

Post#23 » by bran muffin » Sun May 17, 2020 5:46 pm

Homer38 wrote:
OrangeBlueSkies wrote:
Homer38 wrote:This game by Kevin Durant in 2013 against the Heat

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201302140OKC.html

The heat had the led by 19 points after 3 quarter,so the game was almost over,but KD has had 22 points on 8-10 in the 4th quarter to finish the game at 40 points even if this game has never been close,but LBJ(39 points in this game)had dominate the thunder in this game and KD had inflated his stats in the fourth quarter….KD was 4-14 for 18 points in the first 3 quarter



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I don't know what is stat padding if scoring 22 points in the fourth quarter in a blowout loss is not stat padding….Durant had been awful in the first 3 quarter in this game.




The Thunder got within 8 pts with 58 seconds remaining. Miami had to take a time out immediately after Durant got it within 8. The Heat's starters had to stay on the court until the very end.

That's not "stat padding". That's a competitor not giving up on a game.
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Re: The most blatant "Statpadding" in NBA history 

Post#24 » by Homer38 » Sun May 17, 2020 5:51 pm

bran muffin wrote:
Homer38 wrote:
OrangeBlueSkies wrote:

No


I don't know what is stat padding if scoring 22 points in the fourth quarter in a blowout loss is not stat padding….Durant had been awful in the first 3 quarter in this game.




The Thunder got within 8 pts with 58 seconds remaining. That's not "stat padding". That's a competitor not giving up on a game.


This game has never been in doubt for those who have watched this game.The stats between Durant and LBJ were similar in this game, but over half of Durant's points were in the fourth quarter when the game was over.Reason like that why LeBron was 17-4 vs Durant when he was in OKC even if the PPG was similar.
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Re: The most blatant "Statpadding" in NBA history 

Post#25 » by bran muffin » Sun May 17, 2020 5:57 pm

Homer38 wrote:This game has never been in doubt for those who have watched this game.


The Heat clearly disagree with you. They had to take a timeout with 58 seconds remaining. And they kept LeBron, Wade, Bosh and Ray Allen on the court until the very end.

Or maybe you're going to accuse the Heat of stat-padding too?
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Re: The most blatant example of "Statpadding" in NBA history 

Post#26 » by NBAFan93 » Sun May 17, 2020 5:57 pm

Bookers 70 points in a blowout loss to the IT Celtics. They were doing some really ridiculous stuff down the stretch to keep that game going so he could score more. Purposely fouling Celtics players to stop the clock during a blowout.

There was also another Suns game when Westbrook needed a triple double to tie Oscars record (there’s a clip of a bad stat pad for an assist from it above), that was just shameful by both teams. Eventually OKC pulled Westbrook and he easily got the record in the next game, but before the pulling the Suns we’re doing things like purposely fouling Westbrook before he could even pass the ball so he couldn’t get an assist. The whole sequence was shameful by both teams, but the Thunder at least had a season-long compelling reason, Suns just wanted to be bitches.

Suns Coach that season let those young guys do a lot of childish things - they were always purposely stat padding or stopping visitors from stat padding - but I guess that’s what happens when you are playing for draft picks instead of actual wins. They got in a lot of fights during those meaningless games too.
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Re: The most blatant "Statpadding" in NBA history 

Post#27 » by Homer38 » Sun May 17, 2020 6:03 pm

bran muffin wrote:
Homer38 wrote:This game has never been in doubt for those who have watched this game.


The Heat clearly disagree with you. They had to take a timeout with 58 seconds remaining. And they kept LeBron, Wade, Bosh and Ray Allen on the court until the very end.

Or maybe you're going to accuse the Heat of stat-padding too?



The only way that the heat would lose this game with a 8 points lead with 1 minutes left in this game would been they would many turnovers like crazy and they would been very bad in the free throw….Stat padding was maybe not the right word but his 40 points game were very inflated.
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Re: The most blatant example of "Statpadding" in NBA history 

Post#28 » by dennythedino » Sun May 17, 2020 6:16 pm

Statpadding has always existed. I think Moses Malone admitted he used to miss layups on purpose so he can get the offensive rebound.

Havlicek accused Wilt Chamberlain of changing the way he played defense just so he could extend his streak of never fouling out.

Jordan (among others) was known to go the stat keepers' table to see how many points he had.

And of course, you had guys like Bob Sura and Ricky Davis who shot at the wrong basket to get a rebound.
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Re: The most blatant example of "Statpadding" in NBA history 

Post#29 » by birdlives_ma » Sun May 17, 2020 6:31 pm

Pennebaker wrote:That is regular stat padding.

The collection of statistics purely for selfish reasons is the definition of stat padding.

But all stat padding comes from a competitive drive. Why do you think players even care about increasing their totals? Because bigger numbers are more fun to look at?



Oh I don't think that's true at all. Don't get me wrong, it's a low point in Jordan's career. But he was doing it specifically to beat out 1 guy that he had a rivalry with.

That's still reprehensible. He should have known that the only way to beat Magic was to actually beat him. But I think it came from the same part of him that ultimately made him Jordan.

That's way different than Ricky Davis shooting at his own rim or Westbrook shoving his teammate out of the way for a free throw rebound.
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Re: The most blatant example of "Statpadding" in NBA history 

Post#30 » by NBAFan93 » Sun May 17, 2020 6:36 pm

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Ooooooof, that one was hard to watch. He started with it so early too, they could have made a run and made it close.


To give it some context, game was late in the season and meaningless as far as standings were concerned. OKC had the sixth seed locked and couldn’t catch the fifth even had they won out. Only thing left for the Thunder at that point in the season was getting Russ to 42 triple doubles. I believe he had already clinched the TD average two games prior.

Only 4 games were left in their season after the Suns stat pad game - Milwaukee where he easily clinched the tying Oscar record (41 TDs) in a blowout win, and then that spectacular Denver game where he surpassed Oscar (42 TDs). Thunder didn’t even need that win when he made that epic game winner.

He sat in the next game and played the first half only of their last game (and didn’t get a TD).
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Re: The most blatant example of "Statpadding" in NBA history 

Post#31 » by Profound23 » Sun May 17, 2020 6:37 pm

Pennebaker wrote:MICHAEL JORDAN IN 1988-89.
(related: Michael Jordan’s assists in the 1991 Finals)

1988-89 is the year Jordan averaged 8 assists and 8 rebounds. It was also the year Jordan famously put up 7 consecutive triple doubles.

When you look at his season averages his 32.5/8.0/8.0 from 1988-89 stands out.

A legendary season (long used as an example of how Kobe doesn’t stack up to MJ, and also why Jordan and LeBron are more similar than you think).

But the full reason for why Jordan's 1988-89 season was so different than his others is rarely talked about beyond the fact that Collins moved Jordan to point guard.

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Jordan started stat padding in 1988-89 because he was trying to put up more triple doubles than Magic Johnson.

Some backgroud: In the previous two seasons Jordan averaged 37.1 points and 35.0 points and had acquired the ball-hog label and was criticized for having a selfish/losing approach, in contrast to Magic Johnson, who was a triple-double machine, usually the league leader in triple-doubles, and the dictionary definition of a winner.

So Jordan was playing point and getting assists and he started to get a few triple doubles. He realized that he could get a lot more triple doubles and perhaps even more than Magic Johnson.

Jordan started going over to the official scorer during games to see how many more assists and rebounds he needed to get another triple double.

This only stopped after the league got wind and ordered official scorers to refrain from giving out stats during the game.

Jordan started keeping track in his head.

In the end, Jordan lost the triple double battle with Johnson - 17 to 15.

But Jordan wasn’t done with trying to out-Magic Magic.

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Enter the 1991 NBA Finals.

Ever wonder why Jordan put up so many assists in the 1991 Finals?

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It was because the dude on the other side was Magic Johnson.

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Blatant examples of stat padding by Jordan tied to a rivalry with Magic.


I don't think you know what stat padding means.
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Re: The most blatant example of "Statpadding" in NBA history 

Post#32 » by birdlives_ma » Sun May 17, 2020 6:41 pm

dennythedino wrote:Statpadding has always existed. I think Moses Malone admitted he used to miss layups on purpose so he can get the offensive rebound.

Havlicek accused Wilt Chamberlain of changing the way he played defense just so he could extend his streak of never fouling out.

Jordan (among others) was known to go the stat keepers' table to see how many points he had.

And of course, you had guys like Bob Sura and Ricky Davis who shot at the wrong basket to get a rebound.



Oh man, I forgot about the Bob Sura one. That one is SLIGHTLY more excusable just because of how wacky of a run he was on. His teammates were even urging him on lol. Definitely not one of the finer moments for us though :lol:
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Re: The most blatant example of "Statpadding" in NBA history 

Post#33 » by NeutralObserver » Sun May 17, 2020 6:44 pm

OfficialRef wrote:Steph Curry in the 2018 finals game 4.

The worst part of this is that the entire team tried to bring up his stats for the finals mvp trophy. No hate but that might be the worst finals moment ever.


Not his fault that they played against scrubs in the Finals after being taken to the brink in the WCF. Didnt help that the Cavs quit by the 3rd quarter either.
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Re: The most blatant example of "Statpadding" in NBA history 

Post#34 » by NeutralObserver » Sun May 17, 2020 6:45 pm

The Bob Sura thing was crazy. Crazy how thats suddenly forgotten. I dont think there's a worst instance...
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Re: The most blatant example of "Statpadding" in NBA history 

Post#35 » by Pennebaker » Sun May 17, 2020 7:24 pm

Profound23 wrote:
Pennebaker wrote:MICHAEL JORDAN IN 1988-89.
(related: Michael Jordan’s assists in the 1991 Finals)

1988-89 is the year Jordan averaged 8 assists and 8 rebounds. It was also the year Jordan famously put up 7 consecutive triple doubles.

When you look at his season averages his 32.5/8.0/8.0 from 1988-89 stands out.

A legendary season (long used as an example of how Kobe doesn’t stack up to MJ, and also why Jordan and LeBron are more similar than you think).

But the full reason for why Jordan's 1988-89 season was so different than his others is rarely talked about beyond the fact that Collins moved Jordan to point guard.

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Jordan started stat padding in 1988-89 because he was trying to put up more triple doubles than Magic Johnson.

Some backgroud: In the previous two seasons Jordan averaged 37.1 points and 35.0 points and had acquired the ball-hog label and was criticized for having a selfish/losing approach, in contrast to Magic Johnson, who was a triple-double machine, usually the league leader in triple-doubles, and the dictionary definition of a winner.

So Jordan was playing point and getting assists and he started to get a few triple doubles. He realized that he could get a lot more triple doubles and perhaps even more than Magic Johnson.

Jordan started going over to the official scorer during games to see how many more assists and rebounds he needed to get another triple double.

This only stopped after the league got wind and ordered official scorers to refrain from giving out stats during the game.

Jordan started keeping track in his head.

In the end, Jordan lost the triple double battle with Johnson - 17 to 15.

But Jordan wasn’t done with trying to out-Magic Magic.

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Enter the 1991 NBA Finals.

Ever wonder why Jordan put up so many assists in the 1991 Finals?

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It was because the dude on the other side was Magic Johnson.

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Blatant examples of stat padding by Jordan tied to a rivalry with Magic.


I don't think you know what stat padding means.


I don't think you know what stat padding means.

If a player comes up with an individual statistical goal and goes after it regardless of whether it's best for the team, that's stat padding.

For Jordan in 1988-89, for example, if the best play is a hockey assist, Jordan may eschew that in favor of a direct assist in order to help towards his individual statistical goal. That's stat padding.
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Post#36 » by dennythedino » Sun May 17, 2020 7:56 pm

birdlives_ma wrote:
dennythedino wrote:Statpadding has always existed. I think Moses Malone admitted he used to miss layups on purpose so he can get the offensive rebound.

Havlicek accused Wilt Chamberlain of changing the way he played defense just so he could extend his streak of never fouling out.

Jordan (among others) was known to go the stat keepers' table to see how many points he had.

And of course, you had guys like Bob Sura and Ricky Davis who shot at the wrong basket to get a rebound.



Oh man, I forgot about the Bob Sura one. That one is SLIGHTLY more excusable just because of how wacky of a run he was on. His teammates were even urging him on lol. Definitely not one of the finer moments for us though :lol:


Ah, the days of the Bob Sura and Chris Crawford pick and roll.
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Re: The most blatant example of "Statpadding" in NBA history 

Post#37 » by loserX » Sun May 17, 2020 7:57 pm

Someone with a better memory than me may be able to back me up, but wasn't there an OKC game where the Thunder were up at the end and Eric Maynor was dribbling out the clock, then fired the ball to a teammate in the final seconds so that he could get his 10th assist for a triple-double? IIRC even his coach ripped him for that.
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Post#38 » by Bankai » Sun May 17, 2020 8:07 pm

Their is a Youtube Video that showcases all the times Kevin Love blatantly stat padded while on the Wolves, at the detriment of the Team, pin pointing the exact moments where it cost the Wolves the game. It was eventually taken down.

Wolves were in turmoil but they were right in not offering Love the super Max on the basis of that he wasent a winner.
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Re: The most blatant example of "Statpadding" in NBA history 

Post#39 » by birdlives_ma » Sun May 17, 2020 8:30 pm

dennythedino wrote:
birdlives_ma wrote:
dennythedino wrote:Statpadding has always existed. I think Moses Malone admitted he used to miss layups on purpose so he can get the offensive rebound.

Havlicek accused Wilt Chamberlain of changing the way he played defense just so he could extend his streak of never fouling out.

Jordan (among others) was known to go the stat keepers' table to see how many points he had.

And of course, you had guys like Bob Sura and Ricky Davis who shot at the wrong basket to get a rebound.



Oh man, I forgot about the Bob Sura one. That one is SLIGHTLY more excusable just because of how wacky of a run he was on. His teammates were even urging him on lol. Definitely not one of the finer moments for us though :lol:


Ah, the days of the Bob Sura and Chris Crawford pick and roll.



*Vietnam-style flashback ensues*
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Re: The most blatant example of "Statpadding" in NBA history 

Post#40 » by bamheat » Sun May 17, 2020 8:37 pm

That play at the end of the game were Tyreke Evan's tries to score with the game ending in a blow out but misses....or Wade blocks him. I remember it being funny

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