Report: Orlando the frontrunner for NBA return (Update: and Vegas?)

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Re: Report: Orlando the frontrunner for NBA resumed season 

Post#61 » by R-DAWG » Thu May 21, 2020 5:39 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:So much for creating a "bubble campus" environment. According to the wiretap, Dudley says players will be able to leave the location whenever they want. Kind of kills the entire point of trying to make the location a "bubble" if players can just leave and essentially pop the bubble.


It sounds like the league wont enforce the bubble, but the teams likely will.

And if your a role player or less and you break the bubble, and it results in a star player getting the virus and costing your team a playoff series, your likely never to get another NBA roster spot.
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Re: Report: Orlando the frontrunner for NBA resumed season 

Post#62 » by Ugalde » Thu May 21, 2020 6:41 pm

for me it all comes down to how things shake out. if the clippers and lakers are playing and three players on one of the rosters all of a sudden get covid than maybe i would think asterisk. but until that happens i’m not throwing away the season
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Re: Report: Orlando the frontrunner for NBA resumed season 

Post#63 » by 3ddman23 » Thu May 21, 2020 9:24 pm

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3ddman23 wrote:My city coming thru in the clutch. Orlando is so slept on as a city its crazy.

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Right, that's why half of Orlando is practically filled with people from Miami.
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Re: Report: Orlando the frontrunner for NBA resumed season 

Post#64 » by HotRocks34 » Sat May 23, 2020 7:06 pm

Bumping this for new developments.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/basketball/nba-engaging-walt-disney-corporation-about-resuming-2019-20-season-2034468/

1. In an interview with CNBC this week, Bucks owner Marc Lasry said that he felt ("probably") that the NBA would use sites in both Orlando and Las Vegas. I believe the concept is/was that Eastern teams go to Orlando, Western teams to Las Vegas.

2. Today, though, the NBA put out information that it is supposedly talking with Disney in Orlando about being a "single site" for the NBA.


As I noted earlier in the thread, the UFC has announced that it will hold an event next Saturday (May 30) in Vegas. And there are supposedly boxing matches set to be held in Vegas in early June (think the first one is set for June 9).

However, the governor of Nevada has not formally declared anything yet (to my knowledge) about re-opening any part of the state (at least for sporting events). But he is reportedly set to hold a press conference on May 26 (next Tuesday) where he may announce that casinos can re-open on June 4 (if things look ok in the state at that time):

https://www.ktnv.com/news/coronavirus/nevada-gov-sisolak-sets-target-date-for-reopening-gaming-industry

If the NBA were going to make an announcement regarding Vegas, you would think they would wait until the governor made a public announcement/decision before they did so.


Whatever the case -- whether the NBA possibly goes only to Orlando or potentially to both Orlando and Vegas to resume the season -- we should know more relatively soon (next few weeks), it seems.
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Re: Report: Orlando the frontrunner for NBA resumed season 

Post#65 » by HotRocks34 » Sat May 23, 2020 7:14 pm

One other sign that Vegas could be in play for the NBA resuming the season. In a write-up Woj did yesterday, he included this tidbit:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29211219/teams-asking-nba-report-directly-campus-sites

Some teams have considered setting up temporary training camps at interim stops prior to arriving at Walt Disney World Resort in Orlando, Florida, where Eastern Conference teams expect they'll be stationed to complete the season, sources said.



No mention of Western Conference teams heading to Orlando there.

Again, we should know more soon, one way or the other.
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Post#66 » by Sixerscan » Sat May 23, 2020 7:45 pm

HotRocks34 wrote:Bumping this for new developments.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/basketball/nba-engaging-walt-disney-corporation-about-resuming-2019-20-season-2034468/

1. In an interview with CNBC this week, Bucks owner Marc Lasry said that he felt ("probably") that the NBA would use sites in both Orlando and Las Vegas. I believe the concept is/was that Eastern teams go to Orlando, Western teams to Las Vegas.

2. Today, though, the NBA put out information that it is supposedly talking with Disney in Orlando about being a "single site" for the NBA.


As I noted earlier in the thread, the UFC has announced that it will hold an event next Saturday (May 30) in Vegas. And there are supposedly boxing matches set to be held in Vegas in early June (think the first one is set for June 9).

However, the governor of Nevada has not formally declared anything yet (to my knowledge) about re-opening any part of the state (at least for sporting events). But he is reportedly set to hold a press conference on May 26 (next Tuesday) where he may announce that casinos can re-open on June 4 (if things look ok in the state at that time):

https://www.ktnv.com/news/coronavirus/nevada-gov-sisolak-sets-target-date-for-reopening-gaming-industry

If the NBA were going to make an announcement regarding Vegas, you would think they would wait until the governor made a public announcement/decision before they did so.


Whatever the case -- whether the NBA possibly goes only to Orlando or potentially to both Orlando and Vegas to resume the season -- we should know more relatively soon (next few weeks), it seems.


This might be old info, the league spokesman said today they were looking at Orlando as a single site.
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Re: Report: Orlando the frontrunner for NBA return (Update: and Vegas?) 

Post#67 » by NY 567 » Sat May 23, 2020 7:48 pm

They should run a 3 week training camp to get players in shape, play about 10 or so games to finish the season, then start the playoffs. Start next season in December or January. That it would put a little bit less of an asterisk on this years playoffs if the players are in game shape and have some time to knock the rust off.
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Re: Report: Orlando the frontrunner for NBA resumed season 

Post#68 » by HotRocks34 » Sat May 23, 2020 7:51 pm

Sixerscan wrote:This might be old info, the league spokesman said today they were looking at Orlando as a single site.



That first article I cited has info on both things (Vegas possibility, new NBA Info out today about Orlando as "single site") and was written today.. It's written by a Vegas writer (who might hope the NBA comes to Vegas). Lasry's comments (about Vegas) were made maybe 3 days ago, I think.

On the other hand, the NBA's information release today might be to knock down what Lasry said (that is, to knock down the idea that Vegas could be in play). I think the league is hosting a conference call next Friday (talking about next moves), so we should get some more insight at that time.
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Re: Report: Orlando the frontrunner for NBA return (Update: and Vegas?) 

Post#69 » by HotRocks34 » Sat May 23, 2020 7:54 pm

Just to be clear, it doesn't matter to me where the NBA ends up (Orlando, Vegas, or both), I'm just passing along the information that's come out on the subject from the last few days.
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Re: Report: Orlando the frontrunner for NBA return (Update: and Vegas?) 

Post#70 » by BigLurch92 » Sat May 23, 2020 8:02 pm

The bundislega in Germany seems to be working fine. Why cant american sports take a page out of that book?

If we are really gonna wait until late July just cancel the damn season.
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Post#71 » by Nuntius » Sat May 23, 2020 8:14 pm

BigLurch92 wrote:The bundislega in Germany seems to be working fine. Why cant american sports take a page out of that book?


Because the epidemiological situation in Germany is nothing like the one in the US.
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Re: Report: Orlando the frontrunner for NBA return (Update: and Vegas?) 

Post#72 » by Pablo Escobar » Sat May 23, 2020 8:18 pm

Just cancel the season and get your ducks in order for next year.
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Post#73 » by HotRocks34 » Sat May 23, 2020 9:25 pm

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BigLurch92 wrote:The bundislega in Germany seems to be working fine. Why cant american sports take a page out of that book?


Because the epidemiological situation in Germany is nothing like the one in the US.



Definitely true, on the whole. For example, in my opinion, there is no way you could try to have a team operating in Chicago or New York City at this time. It's not safe (IMO).

However, the good news is that the two counties that seem to be in play here (Orange County, Florida where Orlando is and Clark County, Nevada where Vegas is) actually seem to compare favorably with Germany (which has done well in handling the virus) in regards to the virus. That is, they seem to be doing a lot better than places like Chicago or New York City as regards the virus, at least at this moment.

References for the data at the end of this post. The quick summary of the totals is this, before I convert them to "per thousand" and "per million". The Germany data is already converted to that on the Worldmeter site.


ORANGE COUNTY, FLORIDA
Population = 1,393,452
Cases = 1,744
Deaths = 38


CLARK COUNTY, NEVADA
Population = 2,266,715
Cases = 5,815
Deaths = 322


So now let's take this information and standardize it (per thousand, per million) and compare it with Germany. Because there is some controversy over Florida's counting of deaths, I'm going to double the figure for "deaths per million" for Orange County just to try to adjust for that. I'm going to list the three entities in order of Cases Per Thousand, with the lowest number going first. I'll also include New Jersey (hit hard by the virus) at the end just to give a comparison. Anyone is free to check my math here but I think I am at least in the ballpark with my calculations, if not exactly correct.


ORANGE COUNTRY, FLORIDA
Cases per thousand = 1.25
Deaths per million (doubled) = 54 (was 27)

GERMANY
Cases per thousand = 2.15
Deaths per million = 100

CLARK COUNTY, NEVADA
Cases per thousand = 2.57
Deaths per million = 142

NEW JERSEY
Cases per thousand = 17.4
Deaths per million = 1,248


This is the kind of thing that I would imagine the NBA and its health consultants are looking at, among other factors, when choosing if they can resume the season, and where they can resume the season if they choose to do so. This type of data would seem key to determine the viability of the concept, in general, and the viability of a particular location.



REFERENCES

1. Clark County, NV Covid data page [Vegas]
http://www.southernnevadahealthdistrict.org/covid-19-dashboard/

2. Florida Covid data page (click on Orange County [Orlando] for info)
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429

3. Germany virus info (WorldMeter)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

4. New Jersy virus info (Worldmeter)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

4. Population of Orange County, FL [Orlando]
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/orangecountyflorida

5. Population of Clark County, NV [Vegas]
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/clarkcountynevada
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Re: Report: Orlando the frontrunner for NBA resumed season 

Post#74 » by basketballRob » Sat May 23, 2020 9:32 pm

Ralnor wrote:My only really question is what happens to the employees of Disney World? I am guessing the park will not be open if the NBA is using it to play their season since the 'bubble' will be up.
Disney is bigger than most cities. They have several parks, MGM, Epcot, Magic Kingdom, Animal Kingdom, Downtown Disney, blizzard beach, typhoon lagoon and several massive resorts, golf courses, trams.

Wide world of sports is completely separated from the parks but still inside Disney territory.

Each of the big 4 parks have their own resorts. For example the Magic kingdom resorts are the Grand Floridian, the Polynesian, Wilderness Lodge, and The Contemporary. Epcot has nice ones too, the Swann, the Dolphin, Caribbean Beach. Look at images of those resorts and it'll blow your mind.

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Post#75 » by basketballRob » Sat May 23, 2020 9:34 pm

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bisme37 wrote:Shout out to Keith Smith aka Smitty731. I believe he was the first one to suggest Orlando/Disney World as the best place to finish the season and shared his thoughts here and on other sites over a month ago.

Yeah I remember him suggesting that as well. Hopefully the local government in Orlando has competent people in charge unlike the state level.
Val Demmings lives near Disney and her husband Jerry is the mayor of Orange county.

Not sure Disney is even considered Orlando, it's in LBV Lake Buena Vista.

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Post#76 » by HotRocks34 » Sat May 23, 2020 10:00 pm

basketballRob wrote:Not sure Disney is even considered Orlando, it's in LBV Lake Buena Vista.



You're right. Thanks for that. It (ESPN Disney in Florida) is technically just over the line (just south) of Orange County and into Osceola County instead. Let's run the data. Will double the "deaths per million" figure, as above for Orange County. Again, please feel free to check my math as this was done on the fly.

Looking at a map, it appears as though some portion of Disney World may be in Orange County, and some portion may be in Osceola County. I think the ESPN complex is going to be where the players are (or at least play), so it makes sense to run those numbers, IMO.


OSCEOLA COUNTY RAW DATA
Population = 375,751
Cases = 648
Deaths = 18


CONVERTED DATA (Osceola County [ESPN Disney in Florida])
Cases per thousand = 1.728
Deaths per million (doubled) = 96 (was 48)

GERMANY
Cases per thousand = 2.15
Deaths per million = 100

CLARK COUNTY, NEVADA [Vegas]
Cases per thousand = 2.57
Deaths per million = 142




REFERENCES

1. Florida data site for Covid
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429

2. Population of Osceola County
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/osceolacountyflorida
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Post#77 » by Nuntius » Sat May 23, 2020 10:27 pm

HotRocks34 wrote:
Nuntius wrote:
BigLurch92 wrote:The bundislega in Germany seems to be working fine. Why cant american sports take a page out of that book?


Because the epidemiological situation in Germany is nothing like the one in the US.



Definitely true, on the whole. For example, in my opinion, there is no way you could try to have a team operating in Chicago or New York City at this time. It's not safe (IMO).

However, the good news is that the two counties that seem to be in play here (Orange County, Florida where Orlando is and Clark County, Nevada where Vegas is) actually seem to compare favorably with Germany (which has done well in handling the virus) in regards to the virus. That is, they seem to be doing a lot better than places like Chicago or New York City as regards the virus, at least at this moment.

References for the data at the end of this post. The quick summary of the totals is this, before I convert them to "per thousand" and "per million". The Germany data is already converted to that on the Worldmeter site.


ORANGE COUNTY, FLORIDA
Population = 1,393,452
Cases = 1,744
Deaths = 38


CLARK COUNTY, NEVADA
Population = 2,266,715
Cases = 5,815
Deaths = 322


So now let's take this information and standardize it (per thousand, per million) and compare it with Germany. Because there is some controversy over Florida's counting of deaths, I'm going to double the figure for "deaths per million" for Orange County just to try to adjust for that. I'm going to list the three entities in order of Cases Per Thousand, with the lowest number going first. I'll also include New Jersey (hit hard by the virus) at the end just to give a comparison. Anyone is free to check my math here but I think I am at least in the ballpark with my calculations, if not exactly correct.


ORANGE COUNTRY, FLORIDA
Cases per thousand = 1.25
Deaths per million (doubled) = 54 (was 27)

GERMANY
Cases per thousand = 2.15
Deaths per million = 100

CLARK COUNTY, NEVADA
Cases per thousand = 2.57
Deaths per million = 142

NEW JERSEY
Cases per thousand = 17.4
Deaths per million = 1,248


This is the kind of thing that I would imagine the NBA and its health consultants are looking at, among other factors, when choosing if they can resume the season, and where they can resume the season if they choose to do so. This type of data would seem key to determine the viability of the concept, in general, and the viability of a particular location.



REFERENCES

1. Clark County, NV Covid data page [Vegas]
http://www.southernnevadahealthdistrict.org/covid-19-dashboard/

2. Florida Covid data page (click on Orange County [Orlando] for info)
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429

3. Germany virus info (WorldMeter)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

4. New Jersy virus info (Worldmeter)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

4. Population of Orange County, FL [Orlando]
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/orangecountyflorida

5. Population of Clark County, NV [Vegas]
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/clarkcountynevada


I agree that this the kind of thing that the NBA and its health consultants are looking at. The NBA has generally responded well in this pandemic so I do expect them to do their due diligence. I also obviously agree that the situation in the two suggested places is better than it is in a hard-hit area like New Jersey.

That said, I don't believe that the situation in these two areas is good enough for games to be held there. According to your math, Nevada is in a worse situation than Germany. If we were to use Germany as the litmus test here, Nevada doesn't make the cut. Florida does make that cut but, as you mentioned yourself, there is controversy around their reporting of deaths from Covid-19. You decided to double their numbers due to this controversy but are we sure that this is enough? No, I don't think that we are. To be sure about something like that we'd need to do a comprehensive breakdown of the total deaths from Covid-19 in the US and see how many of these deaths have tested positive and how many are classified as probable deaths from Covid-19 (since it is those probable deaths that Florida doesn't count). We then could use that percentage to extrapolate Florida's actual number. Barring all that, though, we just can't be sure. As long as Florida doesn't use the CDC standard then their numbers are just untrustworthy.

But even if the numbers were comparable there is another issue at hand. The epidemiological curve isn't the same between the two countries. Germany's curve has been in a steady decline for more than a month now (closing in on a month and a half). That's not the case for the US as a whole and it's not the case for Florida or Nevada either. Active cases are either on the rise (Florida) or plateauing (Nevada). I simply don't think that it's safe to hold sporting events without a steady period of decline in active cases.

Also, if sporting events have to happen then I'd rather choose a state that is as safe as possible. States like Idaho, West Virginia, Arkansas, Oregon, Utah, Wyoming and Montana are all below the world average in deaths per 1 million (44.1 is the world average, Idaho is at 44, all the rest are lower with Montana being the lowest at 15). Obviously, I realize that not all of these states have the infrastructure to hold a month-long event like the NBA envisions but I'm pretty sure that some of them do (especially Oregon and Utah).
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Post#78 » by jimmy keys » Sat May 23, 2020 11:40 pm

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Ralnor wrote:My only really question is what happens to the employees of Disney World? I am guessing the park will not be open if the NBA is using it to play their season since the 'bubble' will be up.
Disney is bigger than most cities. They have several parks, MGM, Epcot, Magic Kingdom, Animal Kingdom, Downtown Disney, blizzard beach, typhoon lagoon and several massive resorts, golf courses, trams.

Wide world of sports is completely separated from the parks but still inside Disney territory.

Each of the big 4 parks have their own resorts. For example the Magic kingdom resorts are the Grand Floridian, the Polynesian, Wilderness Lodge, and The Contemporary. Epcot has nice ones too, the Swann, the Dolphin, Caribbean Beach. Look at images of those resorts and it'll blow your mind.

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I never realized it was this big. It's huge actually. Covering nearly 40 square miles, Walt Disney World Resort is about the size of San Francisco or two Manhattan islands. That's roughly 25,000 acres. Assuming the park is closed no all non NBA personnel then this seems like the perfect site to host games.
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Post#79 » by HotRocks34 » Sat May 23, 2020 11:44 pm

Nuntius wrote:I agree that this the kind of thing that the NBA and its health consultants are looking at. The NBA has generally responded well in this pandemic so I do expect them to do their due diligence. I also obviously agree that the situation in the two suggested places is better than it is in a hard-hit area like New Jersey.

That said, I don't believe that the situation in these two areas is good enough for games to be held there. According to your math, Nevada is in a worse situation than Germany. If we were to use Germany as the litmus test here, Nevada doesn't make the cut. Florida does make that cut but, as you mentioned yourself, there is controversy around their reporting of deaths from Covid-19. You decided to double their numbers due to this controversy but are we sure that this is enough? No, I don't think that we are. To be sure about something like that we'd need to do a comprehensive breakdown of the total deaths from Covid-19 in the US and see how many of these deaths have tested positive and how many are classified as probable deaths from Covid-19 (since it is those probable deaths that Florida doesn't count). We then could use that percentage to extrapolate Florida's actual number. Barring all that, though, we just can't be sure. As long as Florida doesn't use the CDC standard then their numbers are just untrustworthy.

But even if the numbers were comparable there is another issue at hand. The epidemiological curve isn't the same between the two countries. Germany's curve has been in a steady decline for more than a month now (closing in on a month and a half). That's not the case for the US as a whole and it's not the case for Florida or Nevada either. Active cases are either on the rise (Florida) or plateauing (Nevada). I simply don't think that it's safe to hold sporting events without a steady period of decline in active cases.

Also, if sporting events have to happen then I'd rather choose a state that is as safe as possible. States like Idaho, West Virginia, Arkansas, Oregon, Utah, Wyoming and Montana are all below the world average in deaths per 1 million (44.1 is the world average, Idaho is at 44, all the rest are lower with Montana being the lowest at 15). Obviously, I realize that not all of these states have the infrastructure to hold a month-long event like the NBA envisions but I'm pretty sure that some of them do (especially Oregon and Utah).



I personally wish the season would be cancelled, as I have lost interest with 2 months away. So I'm totally ok with things not continuing this year.

You're right -- a place like Montana might be ideal as regards the virus, but perhaps it's not so ideal as regards player comfort or media access.

Ultimately, the NBA will have to make the call on things. I'll watch if they play, even if, as I said, I'd be fine if they waited until next season to resume.
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Re: Report: Orlando the frontrunner for NBA return (Update: and Vegas?) 

Post#80 » by AussieCeltic » Sun May 24, 2020 12:37 am

There are waaaaaaay to many variables/scenarios that could play out that would just end it.

What if Lebron gets it in the first round and infects the whole Lakers squad? Boom, they're out.

What if we get to the finals and 5+ players from one team get it? No finals.

People bringing up the KD injury from last year and thinking it's the same when it's not. If one guy gets it, there is such a high probability that the team will get it. They'll be living, eating, training, playing in close quarters. It's inevitable if 1 gets it then multiple will and that is not the same as an injury.

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