dhsilv2 wrote:kdot99 wrote:dhsilv2 wrote:
Bosh has a bit better career. Neither were better. Webber's shot selection was horrible and it reduces his impact. Neither were half the defenders of sheed. Career wise they're all about the same imo, bosh being likely the best of the group, webber being the guy who's the worst and SHOULD be the best but he couldn't just be smart about his shots.
Bosh was definitely better than Sheed, quite easily I would say. Impact, numbers, personal accolades, championships, he beats Sheed in all categories. He even made 2nd team All-NBA in his 4th season and led his team to a division title (yes the division was weak). Sheed was never capable of doing anything like that in his career -- or if he did, he didn't come close to showing it. Bosh was particularly a plus defender once he joined Miami. Sheed had a great defensive run once he joined Detroit (an already established elite defensive team) but it doesn't make up for his offensive shortcomings.
in the RAPM data we have bosh peaked 9th which doesn't put him above sheed who peaked 4th and has multiple finishes above 9th.
No sheed was not an elite defender when he went to the pistons but was already a well established elite defender long before that. He wasn't a plus defender, he was a DPOY level defender who likely was never good enough to be the DPOY but had an impact that historically would rank ahead of a large number of former DPOY's. Bosh at his peak was a plus defender actually pretty good though his defense and offensive impact never seemed to peak at the same time.
Career VORP 31.1 vs 38.4 or WS of 106.0 vs 105.1. You can't really argue non impact stats said Bosh was better either.
Now I agree imo Bosh was better, but the gap is razor thin. Anyone claiming impact and stats alone make a clear distinction is just wrong.
Rasheed played 300 more games than Chris, he had a lot in the tank left when he had to step away at 32 as an All-Star. Had they played the same number of games, the gap between their career WS would have been much larger, and likely with VORP as well (who can really say though). RAPM seems like a great stat, but I don't know much about it so I'm not going to speak on it. I will say that Rasheed played at his best when he became 3rd/4th option on an already championship caliber team and was asked to do much less offensively and focus on his strengths -- which I give him a lot of credit for.
Rasheed was a great player in his own right but he was never capable of being an All-NBA level offensive go-to player. By the time he became and elite defensive player, his offensive game had already dropped off significantly compared to Portland. The reason the gap may appear to razor thin between the two is because Sheed played more games and his peak performance occurred when he his offensive role was significantly reduced on an elite team.
Advanced stats aside, I did watch them both closely throughout the careers without the benefit of advanced stats available for most of their career. Sheed had a great career but his offensive output was not on the level on Bosh. He was a fantastic defensive player once joining the Pistons.