Re: Does Toronto have reason to be optimistic for making the finals this year without Kawhi?
Posted: Sat Aug 1, 2020 7:50 pm
I've been saying they have a shot but the Raps fans dont agree.
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The_Hater wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:Jcity08 wrote:I mean I was optimistic during the times we were one and done in the playoffs, nothing can take away my optimism.
But the Bucks are legit title contenders & heavy favourites in the East and I can recognize that too.
This. Either way the eventual champion is coming out of the east.
You would pick Toronto or Boston over the Lakers or Clippers?
Duffman100 wrote:The_Hater wrote:Duffman100 wrote:
Between Milwuakee, Toronto, Boston, Philly, Heat and (when healthy) Pacers... I wouldn't call the East a weak conference.
Lakers, Clippers, Denver, Houston, Jazz, Thunder. That top 6 is very comparable.
That’s kinda cherry picking though Duff. 2/3 of the leagues top contenders reside in the west. You omitted Dallas, who is very good and considerably better than #7 in the east. 1-6 might look somewhat comparable but 7-15 in the west is considerably stronger than the east as a group to he point that it’s laughable. And the unbalanced conference schedules has also inflated the top team’s records in the east just like it does most seasons.
All that said, I’m still picking the Bucks to win the title, but part of the reason for that is because I think they have a far easier playoff map playing in the east then the Clips/Lakers have playing in the tougher conference.
Sure, but we're talking this bubble right now which is essentially the playoffs. so 7-15 isn't really that relevant.
Regardless of potentially inflated records, the top 6 of the East is comparable to the top 6 of the West. So it's not like whoever is in the East has a cake walk or much of an easier path in the 2nd round or CF.
The_Hater wrote:Duffman100 wrote:The_Hater wrote:
That’s kinda cherry picking though Duff. 2/3 of the leagues top contenders reside in the west. You omitted Dallas, who is very good and considerably better than #7 in the east. 1-6 might look somewhat comparable but 7-15 in the west is considerably stronger than the east as a group to he point that it’s laughable. And the unbalanced conference schedules has also inflated the top team’s records in the east just like it does most seasons.
All that said, I’m still picking the Bucks to win the title, but part of the reason for that is because I think they have a far easier playoff map playing in the east then the Clips/Lakers have playing in the tougher conference.
Sure, but we're talking this bubble right now which is essentially the playoffs. so 7-15 isn't really that relevant.
Regardless of potentially inflated records, the top 6 of the East is comparable to the top 6 of the West. So it's not like whoever is in the East has a cake walk or much of an easier path in the 2nd round or CF.
Well the 1-2 seeds in the west are going to likely have to play #7 Dallas, who’s very good and has the 5th best point differential in the league (ahead of all but 2 EC teams) and quite possibly a reloaded and finally healthy Portland team at #8, who made the conference finals last season.
Meanwhile 1-2 seeds in the east get to play Orlando and the corpse that used to be Brooklyn. That’s a pretty huge advantage out of the gate for the top seeds in the east.
And then there’s Indiana who is without Sabonis and probably Oladipo too. So they’re not exactly making it a tough top 6 with a roster that will look more like a lottery team.
Also, in terms of SRS, 7/10 of the top teams in the league play in the west.
Orlando is better than Memphis or at least we beat them a couple times.The_Hater wrote:Duffman100 wrote:The_Hater wrote:
That’s kinda cherry picking though Duff. 2/3 of the leagues top contenders reside in the west. You omitted Dallas, who is very good and considerably better than #7 in the east. 1-6 might look somewhat comparable but 7-15 in the west is considerably stronger than the east as a group to he point that it’s laughable. And the unbalanced conference schedules has also inflated the top team’s records in the east just like it does most seasons.
All that said, I’m still picking the Bucks to win the title, but part of the reason for that is because I think they have a far easier playoff map playing in the east then the Clips/Lakers have playing in the tougher conference.
Sure, but we're talking this bubble right now which is essentially the playoffs. so 7-15 isn't really that relevant.
Regardless of potentially inflated records, the top 6 of the East is comparable to the top 6 of the West. So it's not like whoever is in the East has a cake walk or much of an easier path in the 2nd round or CF.
Well the 1-2 seeds in the west are going to likely have to play #7 Dallas, who’s very good and has the 5th best point differential in the league (ahead of all but 2 EC teams) and quite possibly a reloaded and finally healthy Portland team at #8, who made the conference finals last season.
Meanwhile 1-2 seeds in the east get to play Orlando and the corpse that used to be Brooklyn. That’s a pretty huge advantage out of the gate for the top seeds in the east.
And then there’s Indiana who is without Sabonis and probably Oladipo too. So they’re not exactly making it a tough top 6 with a roster that will look more like a lottery team.
Also, in terms of SRS, 7/10 of the top teams in the league play in the west.
Johnny Bball wrote:Jcity08 wrote:I mean I was optimistic during the times we were one and done in the playoffs, nothing can take away my optimism.
But the Bucks are legit title contenders & heavy favourites in the East and I can recognize that too.
This. Either way the eventual champion is coming out of the east.
VanWest82 wrote:SFour wrote:VanWest82 wrote:Raptors will have their hands full with Magic in round one. They should focus on that series first.
Gasol's hands are definitly going to be full taking care of his son
Spoiler:
Raptors have trouble scoring. Magic have tremendous length and one of the best defenses in the NBA. They have a player, Isaac, who was grown in a lab to slow down Siakam. Not saying Magic should be favored or anything but it might be closer than you think.
Soulyss wrote:Johnny Bball wrote:Jcity08 wrote:I mean I was optimistic during the times we were one and done in the playoffs, nothing can take away my optimism.
But the Bucks are legit title contenders & heavy favourites in the East and I can recognize that too.
This. Either way the eventual champion is coming out of the east.
No one likes watching the Lakers lose more than I do... but I think you are seriously overconfident.
The only team in the East capable of beating the Clippers or Lakers in a 7 games series is the Bucks.
Drygon wrote:No. Raptors won't have a player of Kawhi's caliber for a very long time.