How good was MJ's bball IQ

EasternHeretic · Post #1 » by **EasternHeretic** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:05 am

how does he rate

dlts20 · Post #2 » by **dlts20** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:13 am

The best I've ever seen

Statlanta · Post #3 » by **Statlanta** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:23 am

Under CP3 and maybe West
over Harden and Kidd

Sgt Major · Post #4 » by **Sgt Major** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:27 am

Best ever.

AussieBuck · Post #5 » by **AussieBuck** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:31 am

Like Kobe's, better in theory than practice. Needed Phil to keep him in check and play team ball.

Wagonband · Post #6 » by **Wagonband** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:49 am

How do you even measure BBIQ

scrabbarista · Post #7 » by **scrabbarista** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:02 am

Yeah, it's hard to rate anyone against CP3 (who weirdly has no votes yet), but MJ's was extremely high. I'm not mad if you say the best ever. I've always felt two of the most overlooked aspects of MJ's game were his passing ability and his extremely low TO%. I made an all-time passing team on 2K this week, and the 12th spot came down to Luka vs. MJ. I went with Luka in the end, but that should give some idea of how I view MJ as a passer.

OdomFan · Post #8 » by **OdomFan** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:37 am

Jordans BBall Iq was off the charts. He knew how to stay a step ahead of everyone without coming off cheap like Harden does now. Knew exactly where to be and when to strike to make a good defensive stop against all 5 players from the opponents team.

His offense speaks for itself. He just flat out mastered it period. If I was to give his BBIQ a number i'd say it's pretty damn close to 100. Let's go with 98. I'll give CP3, Kidd and West a 96. Harden a 94.

Hugi Mancura · Post #9 » by **Hugi Mancura** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:44 am

Wagonband wrote:How do you even measure BBIQ

Any way you want to. There is no definition, so it is up to you. Ability to make right play on the fly without the help from another person (coach etc), predicting how players will react on certain situation using previous knowledge how players in general or that individual have reacted on previous similar situations. You can't really take any stat from boxscore and point that stat shows how good players basketball IQ is. Usually high basketball players have high assist numbers per minutes played while having few turnovers, but even that really ain't a good measure. Most of the time you just need to watch the game.

Example of basketball IQ from Harden. Spurs in playoffs: Harden's primary defender's job was to keep his hands away and only defend his 3 point shot, while another player was waiting under the rim. Harden failed badly. He didn't know what to do, because what Spurs gave him was mid range shot. During that series he didn't find a way to beat that defense (and neither did their coach) and they lost. So Harden's in-game basketball IQ failed him. But during the off season he learned floater and that is a example of having good off-game basketball IQ. But does these both count as basketball IQ it is up to you to decide. Personally don't count latter as basketball IQ, but lot of people do.

pontius · Post #10 » by **pontius** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:50 am

Best I've seen.

Optms · Post #11 » by **Optms** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:52 am

Wait, why the hell is Harden on this list?

No Lebron? Kobe? KG? Stockton? Duncan? What in the name of Bigfoot is going on here.

TheNG · Post #12 » by **TheNG** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:32 pm

Optms wrote:Wait, why the hell is Harden on this list?

No Lebron? Kobe? KG? Stockton? Duncan? What in the name of Bigfoot is going on here.

Also - why West appears in the list but East doesn't?

Lockdown504090 · Post #13 » by **Lockdown504090** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:43 pm

Optms wrote:Wait, why the hell is Harden on this list?

No Lebron? Kobe? KG? Stockton? Duncan? What in the name of Bigfoot is going on here.

Why wouldnt he be? i wouldnt pick him, but he might be in my top 10. he breaks the rule book every season. He has popularized many moves like the 3 step euro, his toe tap stepback, the double stepback, drawing fouls on handchecking defenders. he makes great pnr reads. Why shouldnt he be there. Its not like hes using some insane skill like otherworldly shooting, or overwhelming athletecism, yet, hes scoring more than curry, and slightly less than Jordan.

Playoffs, His playoff failures are a result of skill and talent, I wouldnt say he can mentally overcome arguable the greatest team of all time in the warriors, and he hasnt lost to anyone else yet in embarassing fashion. He's not my favorite, but harden clearly needs more respect on this board.

EasternHeretic · Post #14 » by **EasternHeretic** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:10 pm

damn didnt expect so many votes

Galloisdaman · Post #15 » by **Galloisdaman** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:13 pm

Top 3 were Bird-Jordan-Magic. Not sure what order but I lean to that order.

fianchetto · Post #16 » by **fianchetto** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:13 pm

The OP reads like a troll post even if it isn’t. So many names omitted. MJ was highest on the list though.

Pg81 · Post #17 » by **Pg81** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:24 pm

Just for this list, Kidd, CP 3 and West > MJ.

Sgt Major wrote:Best ever.

pontius wrote:Best I've seen.

No.

WarriorGM · Post #18 » by **WarriorGM** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:29 pm

The best? No. Jordan had terrific athleticism that allowed him to do things others couldn't. That's what made him exceptional. His basketball IQ is a murkier business. I simply cannot rate it that highly because I would assume it would help him off the court as well. As the owner of a basketball team I assume he has to rely on it to some extent. His lack of success as an owner prevents me from rating him high. Compare to Jerry West's success as a basketball executive.

HeartBreakKid · Post #19 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:10 pm

Lol kinda crazy people think that in order for Jordan to be the best he has to be the absolute best at every portion of basketball.

elchengue20 · Post #20 » by **elchengue20** » Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:17 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:Lol kinda crazy people think that in order for Jordan to be the best he has to be the absolute best at every portion of basketball.

Jordan at this point is pretty much a myth. A strange case of a player who is arguagbly the GOAT and at the same time an overated player.

He did have a good to great IQ, but there is a lot of players who were better. CP3 for example.

better IQ