Baronious wrote: Jonny Blaze wrote: Baronious wrote:
Looks like I started watching it a lot earlier than you did. All you're doing is blindly hating without stating anything worthwhile.
07 Cavs, 15 Cavs, 18 Cavs are all teams that significantly overachieved. Those teams had no business of being in the finals. Now you're gonna come here and say but but but 15 Cavs had Love and Kyrie. Love was out of the playoffs in the first round. Kyrie was pretty much injured the whole playoff run and he was gone during the first game of the finals once he blew his knee cap. LeBron with Dellevadova as his second option took that GSW team to 6 games... but of course, haters like you will hold it against him.
16 GSW that won 73 games wasn't better than any of the teams Jordan defeated in the 1990s?
Get real bro. 14 SAS and 16 GSW are far better than any team Jordan faced in the playoffs.
Like I said, the only finals you can hold against LeBron is 2011.
Why did you duck my question?
What year did you start watching the NBA?
I'm not hating anyone. My team destroyed Lebron James in the Finals, and I was there to witness it.
I do find guys you and Homer38 to be amusing. Grown men worshipping another man is strange.,,,and then these same grown men getting angry when others don't idolize these guys is different.....but to each his own.
The 2014 Spurs are exactly the type of teams that the Bulls would destroy. The Bulls destroyed deep teams with no real superstar like the 1991 Trailblazers or the 1996 Sonics.
The 91 Lakers, 93 Suns and and 97-98 Jazz were led by all time great hall of fame players. The Late 90's Jazz used to destroy Shaq/Kobe as well as TIm Duncan/David Robinson....but according to guys born in the 2000's all the other players in the NBA sucked.
Bro you're 100% blindly hating. You literally just said 16 GSW that won 73 GAMES wasn't better than any of the teams Jordan defeated
. It took an all time great finals performance from LeBron (leading both teams in every major category) and Kyrie to beat them in 7.
To answer your question, I started watching the NBA in 2000. I haven't seen the 90s live, but I watched a **** ton of games from start to finish from the 90s. It's easy to say 2014 spurs are exactly the type of teams the Bulls would destroy. I can say 2017 Cavs would easily destroy 91 Lakers, 93 Suns and 97-98 Jazz as well... Nothing you say changes the fact that 2014 Spurs and 2016 GSW are far better than any team the Bulls played against. All metrics support this claim.
Players from the 90s didn't suck. However, the talent pool in the NBA is a lot larger now. The game has evolved as a whole. Defensive schemes are better etc etc.
Let's talk about Jordan's squad and how they won 55 games and almost made it to the ECF without him in 94. This alone shows that Jordan always played with superior squads in the finals without any major injuries. What happened when he didn't play with superior squads? 1-9. First round exits... It doesn't matter though because apparently first round exits are considered to be better than over achieving and making it to the finals..
Just so you know I have Jordan as the GOAT because of the way he dominated his era and total accolades. I do think LeBron impacts the game more though and has a legit case of being the better player. If Love and Kyrie doesn't get injured in 15 and Durant doesn't join GSW in 17, it'd be fair to say that he'd be going for his 6th ring right now. Cleveland also wasted a few years of his prime by not surrounding him with more talent. 09 Bron with a legit 2nd option had a pretty good chance of winning the ring.
Difference is when Lebron leaves the team, they instantly become a lottery team. When Jordan leaves the team, they end up winning 55 games and almost making it to the conference finals.
You completely ignore facts and try to nit pick every little thing to support your claims. Saying 2015 was a failure on Bron's part while knowing Love and Kyrie was out and Dellevadova was his 2nd option in the finals is enough of a reason for me to not take you serious..
Thank you for being honest. It truly is appreciated.
Im a little older than you. Started watching the NBA in the early 1980's. The first time team that ever blew me away was the 1984 Celtics.
I don't speak about the 60's or 70's era basketball because I was not alive to see it.
Im not directly speaking directly to you (but I kinda am) It gets really irritating listening to people that I know where not alive to see Michael Jordan play..... act like they are such experts on 1990's NBA basketball, or who was good and who wasn't.
One of the biggest excuses that I hear from Lebron fans is that Jordan didn't beat anyone in the Finals (not true) and Lebron has played against so much tougher competition (not true at all).
The 1998 Utah Jazz would have a case as one the Greatest teams of All time if they had beaten the Bulls. They would have swept a 60 win Shaq/Kobe Laker team, defeated Tim Duncan/David Robinson Spurs, and then been the only team to defeat the Bulls.
But because they lost.....younger fans act like the Utah Jazz and Sonics were not great teams....when they are the exact same caliber of teams as the Mavs, Spurs, OKC...etc
To Lebron fans....its almost as if they would respect Jordan and the Bulls more if they had lost to the teams they were beating.
The 2017 & 18 Warriors are the only two teams that are clearly better than any team Jordan beat...and that's because the 2017 Warriors are one of the greatest NBA teams of all time.
Another false hood that I hear is that Magic Johnson and the Lakers were old, and over the hill in 1991.....despite Magic finishing 2nd in MVP voting, the Lakers going 58-24 and beating Portland in the WCF without HCA. (I thought the 1991 Lakers were going to beat the Bulls, especially after Sam Perkins hit that huge 3 in Game 1 for the Lakers).
If Magic did not get HIV he (and the Lakers) would have still been an elite player for at least another 4 or 5 seasons.
20 years from now you are going to have some kid telling you the Golden St Warriors were not that good, and that Lebron was overrated.
I've seen the entire Lebron and Michael Jordan era with my own two eyes.
Lebron James was not as good as Michael Jordan...period.
I don't know anyone (aside from the Bad Boy Pistons) that has seen both play and says that LBJ is better.
And I think LBJ is badass. He is an amazing player. What is truly going to set him apart is not the rings or stats....its his amazing conditioning. The fact that in his 14-17th year he is still the best player in the league is remarkable.