Do you think Kawhi Leonard is a system player that needs a stacked team in order to win?

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Do you think Kawhi Leonard is a system player that needs a stacked roster in order to win?

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Post#21 » by Durant Durant » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:37 pm

Clips are already stacked.

Nuggets just wanted it more.
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Post#22 » by nicnac215 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:40 pm

Kawhi is a baller. The big problem is pg13 is a fraud. He is a glorified Rudy Gay and hot garbage when it matters the most. Kawhi needs a guard to team up with not another forward.
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Post#23 » by Jabroni Lames » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:43 pm

Clippers are a stacked team. Best depth in the NBA. The difference is coaching & chemistry.

Kawhi had Pop & Nurse. Doc is a good coach, but he's a level below those guys.
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Re: Do you think Kawhi Leonard is a system player that needs a stacked team in order to win? 

Post#24 » by Jadoogar » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:44 pm

Were the Clippers not stacked?
Before the season, everyone here would have said the Clippers without Kawhi are better than the Raptors without Kawhi.
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Post#25 » by Heej » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:47 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:
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SeattleJazzFan wrote:How could anybody vote yes? Such a dumb question.

Were the Raptors “stacked”?

Raptors literally almost made the ECF after losing Kawhi and their starting 2 Guard. Of course they were stacked. They have the best coach in the league. Kawhi's a system player to me until proven otherwise


okay. i guess if you feel the raptors were stacked i can see voting yes. lowry and siakam showed in the 2nd round they aren't that good. i wouldn't put them as the top two players of a stacked team, but i guess we all have our opinions.

You literally asked if they WERE stacked as in when they had Kawhi and then proceed to talk about Siakam and Lowry LMFAO. No MFer they were stacked because they lost KAWHI LEONARD AND DANNY GREEN and still almost made it to ECF lmao. And this is with Lowry getting one more year past his prime lol. Say it with me, just admit it to yourself, that 2019 team was STACKED
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Post#26 » by OdomFan » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:49 pm

They lost in 7 games to another good team. This shouldn't at all come back on him like that. We don't know what will happen next season.
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Post#27 » by ali1979 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:50 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:How could anybody vote yes? Such a dumb question.

Were the Raptors “stacked”?


After Kawhi and Green left Toronto missed conf. final with just two possessions with a garbage Siakam performance. Kawhi fans are behaving as Toronto was trash before kawhi arrived. They were almost eliminating peak Lebron. They just needed some extra performance above Derozan.

Game 7 Kawhi performance is the unique worst performance for a super star. No field goals in the last quarter in which Denver's best player was out for half of the minutes. Also 1/10 in the second half.
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Post#28 » by SeattleJazzFan » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:59 pm

Heej wrote:
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Heej wrote:Raptors literally almost made the ECF after losing Kawhi and their starting 2 Guard. Of course they were stacked. They have the best coach in the league. Kawhi's a system player to me until proven otherwise


okay. i guess if you feel the raptors were stacked i can see voting yes. lowry and siakam showed in the 2nd round they aren't that good. i wouldn't put them as the top two players of a stacked team, but i guess we all have our opinions.

You literally asked if they WERE stacked as in when they had Kawhi and then proceed to talk about Siakam and Lowry LMFAO. No MFer they were stacked because they lost KAWHI LEONARD AND DANNY GREEN and still almost made it to ECF lmao. And this is with Lowry getting one more year past his prime lol. Say it with me, just admit it to yourself, that 2019 team was STACKED


2nd and third best players. point stands dumbass. and danny green? lol. that's cute.
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Post#29 » by SupaManu » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:01 pm

What happened to his defense...man he looked nothing like he did during his years on the Spurs on that end of the floor.
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Post#30 » by Heej » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:05 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:
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SeattleJazzFan wrote:
okay. i guess if you feel the raptors were stacked i can see voting yes. lowry and siakam showed in the 2nd round they aren't that good. i wouldn't put them as the top two players of a stacked team, but i guess we all have our opinions.

You literally asked if they WERE stacked as in when they had Kawhi and then proceed to talk about Siakam and Lowry LMFAO. No MFer they were stacked because they lost KAWHI LEONARD AND DANNY GREEN and still almost made it to ECF lmao. And this is with Lowry getting one more year past his prime lol. Say it with me, just admit it to yourself, that 2019 team was STACKED


2nd and third best players. point stands dumbass. and danny green? lol. that's cute.

Point stands that this is a stacked roster if your guys 4-8 are Danny Green, Fred VanVleet, Marc Gasol, Serge Ibaka, and Norman Powell. That's 5 elite 2-way role players that don't give you weaknesses to attack in the playoffs so the team synergizes even better. You clearly don't understand roster construction and playoff basketball if you don't see the value in that and try to look at 2 or 3 players to sum up a team. And need I say it again, the best coach in the league. Yet I'm called the dumbass because you don't have the bball IQ to comprehend what the raptors have shown these past 2 seasons, or your agenda doesn't allow you to. Poor baby.
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Post#31 » by r0drig0lac » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:17 pm

nah, this is KD
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Post#32 » by Mak » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:19 pm

I remember how Clippers roster was better than Raptors without Kawhi on either team. Now we are making excuses. lol
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Post#33 » by Montana78 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:21 pm

even if the system has ISO moments, its still part of the system - so yes, KL is a system player. Does KL need a stacked roster, or does he need to have players that play better within the system? Outside of saying Doc's system is or is not setup for KL and it's players is another discussion (as BBIQ is being thrown in a lot of threads, and how bad of coach Doc is). Looking at past teams with great players (and maybe systems) and support, the following come to mind from 80s on up -- Ewing and Knicks, Miller and Indy, Barkley and suns, dresser and Portland, Cwebb and queens, Tracy McGrady and Hou, Melo and every team he's played for ;) ...
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Post#34 » by spikeslovechild » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:24 pm

He had a stacked team and lost so no.

What he needs is guys who know their role and can excel in limited opportunities he also needs a true PG who can get the ball to him in his spots.

He had that in TOR. Where was their stacked team? In LA it's full of selfish dudes who think they are better then they actually are playing for themselves.
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Post#35 » by Rodwilliams » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:39 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:How could anybody vote yes? Such a dumb question.

Were the Raptors “stacked”?


You deserve the donkey of the day for this comment.
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Post#36 » by Parataxis » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:15 pm

Everybody needs a good team around them to win. That's just basketball.

There's a reason LeBron didn't win a championship until he went to Miami. There's a reason Jordan didn't win a championship with the Wizards.
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Post#37 » by AZNKidd » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:30 pm

Heej wrote:
SeattleJazzFan wrote:
Heej wrote:You literally asked if they WERE stacked as in when they had Kawhi and then proceed to talk about Siakam and Lowry LMFAO. No MFer they were stacked because they lost KAWHI LEONARD AND DANNY GREEN and still almost made it to ECF lmao. And this is with Lowry getting one more year past his prime lol. Say it with me, just admit it to yourself, that 2019 team was STACKED


2nd and third best players. point stands dumbass. and danny green? lol. that's cute.

Point stands that this is a stacked roster if your guys 4-8 are Danny Green, Fred VanVleet, Marc Gasol, Serge Ibaka, and Norman Powell. That's 5 elite 2-way role players that don't give you weaknesses to attack in the playoffs so the team synergizes even better. You clearly don't understand roster construction and playoff basketball if you don't see the value in that and try to look at 2 or 3 players to sum up a team. And need I say it again, the best coach in the league. Yet I'm called the dumbass because you don't have the bball IQ to comprehend what the raptors have shown these past 2 seasons, or your agenda doesn't allow you to. Poor baby.


I think people commonly associate "stack" as being stacked with All Star players who signed with the team at their own accord, i.e., GSW, Heatles, Lakers. Toronto wouldn't fit that definition, but they are indeed "stacked" with players that would have made starting lineups on most other good teams (Gasol and Ibaka are clearly on the decline and nobody would consider all stars). You gotta give Raptors front office and Masai for pulling off all those trades and drafting.
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Post#39 » by BenoUdrihFTL » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:35 pm

Prokorov wrote:No. Absolutely not. I mean he has played on teams with a ton of talent, but he hasnt really played with even a 2nd real star other then early on before duncan declined.

Paul george is the biggest fraud star in elague history and the biggest cancer of the past 40 years. he makes everyone around him worse and all of his stats are completely empty.

Paul George games 5 and 6:

Game 5: 26/6/6 on 18 shots
Game 6: 33/6/3 on 21 shots

That's essentially supercharged #2 production and Kawhi's Clips still blew those games. Call them "empty stats" all you want but those points count on the scoreboard and they got the Clips sufficient leads to win the game. At some point the blame falls on the guy people are talking about as the best player in the game
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Post#40 » by everdiso » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:37 pm

The truth is that everybody needs a great overall team with a great system and great depth.

The Raps had it. The Warriors had it. The Spurs had it. The Mavs had it.

The only player who's been able to win in recent memory with a team with major weaknesses is Lebron.
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