The 2019-20 All-NBA Team!

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Re: The 2019-20 All-NBA Team! 

Post#141 » by Woody Allen » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:47 pm

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TravisScott55 wrote:Russell Westbrook making 3rd team over Lowry is a joke.

WB: 27, 8, and 7 on 47% shooting
KL: 19, 5, and 7.5 on 42% shooting

So Russ average 8 more points, 3 more rebounds, almost the same assists AND was more efficient than lowry

No competition.


LMAO one would think you'd learn by now that basketball is more than just empty stats...
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Post#142 » by baller16 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:48 pm

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Shock Defeat wrote:
TravisScott55 wrote:Russell Westbrook making 3rd team over Lowry is a joke.

WB: 27, 8, and 7 on 47% shooting
KL: 19, 5, and 7.5 on 42% shooting

So Russ average 8 more points, 3 more rebounds, almost the same assists AND was more efficient than lowry

No competition.


people who thinke kyle lowry is elite are funny. he's lucky to make all star teams, let alone all nba.


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Post#143 » by Archx » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:51 pm

mcmurphy wrote:Doncic younger All-team (1st) all-time?


Yes and no :D

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Post#144 » by SeattleJazzFan » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:52 pm

Freighttrain wrote:LeBron James is now the only player in history with 16 ALL NBA selections. Crazy that he is still at MVP level though. He definitely has two more ALL NBA years in him for sure.


I've heard this now a few times today. But he has 13 first team selections. does anybody top that? honestly that might be more impressive than the 16 total all nba. not sure anybody comes close to the 13 first teams and he may have one more in him. Kobe and Karl Malone with 11? MJ and Kareem have 10.
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Post#145 » by YogurtProducer » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:53 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Also people **** on Siakam are using so much decency bias and are ignoring he has a really, really good season and was healthy for most of it.


He benefitted from the vote occurring pre-bubble. Using the complete regular season, he had no argument over Tatum.

No argument is a hell of a stretch. They were neck and neck in counting offensive stats, and Siakam is a better defender. Not to mention the Raptors were the better regular season team with arguably a weaker roster surrounding Siakam.

There’s an argument, and realistically it’s a 2a 2b type situation, not some clear cut winner.
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Re: The 2019-20 All-NBA Team! 

Post#146 » by SeattleJazzFan » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:56 pm

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SeattleJazzFan wrote:
Shock Defeat wrote:WB: 27, 8, and 7 on 47% shooting
KL: 19, 5, and 7.5 on 42% shooting

So Russ average 8 more points, 3 more rebounds, almost the same assists AND was more efficient than lowry

No competition.


people who thinke kyle lowry is elite are funny. he's lucky to make all star teams, let alone all nba.


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Post#147 » by YogurtProducer » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:57 pm

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THE J0KER wrote:
Childs wrote:Image

This is not about who is better, Davis or Jokic, but who is center.

According to basketball-reference, Jokic played 100% of playing time this season on the center spot, while Davis most of his time (60%) played on PF spot behind classic centers McGee/Howard!

So, if we count Davis as the forward (as we should), the real all-NBA first team should be Doncic-Harden-LBJ-Giannis-Jokic, the 2nd team is Paul-Lillard-Kawhi-Davis-Gobert!


Lebron also played a majority of his time at PG. Would you prefer if they had bumped Harden to the second team and move Kawhi to the first team? As another poster mentioned, it seems they have quasi-moved on from picking the best player at a certain position... or at a minimum voting based on best at a given position has been inconsistently done.

Guys were able to put guys as they saw fit (some guys had multi position eligibility)

They wanted (the NBA) to get the best 15 players on here, and that meant that if the majority had our Lebron and Kawhi on their first team they would’ve been, however they didn’t.

This has nothing to with positional requirements and it simply was more people voted for AD over Jokic
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Post#148 » by dautjazz » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:59 pm

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Raps in 4 wrote:
DS17 wrote:
No, don't swap Jokic for AD.


Why not? Jokic is better.




He isn't. Jokic has better argument over giannis not AD.
As a regular season, no way. Giannis is far away unanimous 1st team and easily MVP this season. AD should be in the 2nd team as a forward.
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im 20, and i did grow up watching MJ play in the 90's.
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Post#149 » by SmartWentCrazy » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:01 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Also people **** on Siakam are using so much decency bias and are ignoring he has a really, really good season and was healthy for most of it.


He benefitted from the vote occurring pre-bubble. Using the complete regular season, he had no argument over Tatum.

No argument is a hell of a stretch. They were neck and neck in counting offensive stats, and Siakam is a better defender. Not to mention the Raptors were the better regular season team with arguably a weaker roster surrounding Siakam.

There’s an argument, and realistically it’s a 2a 2b type situation, not some clear cut winner.


Hes a less efficient [below league average TS] scorer that graded out as a worse defender by advanced stats. He wasnt better by any advanced stat other than ‘plays for my favorite team’.
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Post#150 » by TheGOATWill » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:01 pm

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NY 567 wrote:Everything looks fine except Siakam on the 2nd team and AD over Jokic is a joke. AD is a second option

Is defense important in basketball?

Of course. But ADs defense isn't enough to put him over Jokic. The impact and gravity Jokic brings on offense is just too much. AD has a career history of being a fairly ineffective lead guy. He's perfect on the Lakers as a 2nd option.

2nd option that leads his team in literally everything. Except assists. That Lebron gets by feeding the aforementioned “2nd option”. And he’s 1st team all NBA defense. I’m think 1a and 1b. Just like Murray and Jokic.
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Post#151 » by baller16 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:02 pm

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baller16 wrote:
SeattleJazzFan wrote:
people who thinke kyle lowry is elite are funny. he's lucky to make all star teams, let alone all nba.


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lol. says the raptor fan.


OK and....

You literally have Westbrick over Lowry, clearly you don't understand winning in basketball
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Post#152 » by Golden Knight » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:05 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:Okay based on this. Serious question. Are they so lazy and uncaring that they just submitted these lineups after the first month and then checked out for the rest of the year?

Because honestly, that at the moment is the only thing that lines up with these votes.

Both Siakam and Westbrook had a hot first month or so.

Westbrook had a hot 2020 pre-shutdown. In 23 games in Jan/Feb/Mar he averaged 32/8/7.
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Re: The 2019-20 All-NBA Team! 

Post#153 » by THE J0KER » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:05 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
Ball so hard wrote:
THE J0KER wrote:This is not about who is better, Davis or Jokic, but who is center.

According to basketball-reference, Jokic played 100% of playing time this season on the center spot, while Davis most of his time (60%) played on PF spot behind classic centers McGee/Howard!

So, if we count Davis as the forward (as we should), the real all-NBA first team should be Doncic-Harden-LBJ-Giannis-Jokic, the 2nd team is Paul-Lillard-Kawhi-Davis-Gobert!


Lebron also played a majority of his time at PG. Would you prefer if they had bumped Harden to the second team and move Kawhi to the first team? As another poster mentioned, it seems they have quasi-moved on from picking the best player at a certain position... or at a minimum voting based on best at a given position has been inconsistently done.

Guys were able to put guys as they saw fit (some guys had multi position eligibility)

They wanted (the NBA) to get the best 15 players on here, and that meant that if the majority had our Lebron and Kawhi on their first team they would’ve been, however they didn’t.

This has nothing to with positional requirements and it simply was more people voted for AD over Jokic

Middleton, who can play SG if necessary, get more points (82) than both third-team guards, but didn't reach all-NBA third team because he is nominated as forward.
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Re: All NBA teams are out 

Post#154 » by MrSparkle » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:08 pm

Uhm. Here’s what it should’ve been for the year:

1st:
Paul
Luka
Lebron
Giannis
Davis

2nd:
Butler
Harden
Kawhi
Tatum
Embiid

3rd:
Lillard
Mitchell
Simmons
Siakam
Jokic

Meanwhile, Gobert was snubbed with the DPOY award. I don’t think he’s an All-NBA guy over Embiid or Jokic, but he deserved DPOY. I also think Lowry makes a good case over 4 of the guys in my 3rd team, but it’s a wash. Siakam had a great season until about Feb.
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Post#155 » by 100proof » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:11 pm

Siakam on that list is lmfao
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Post#156 » by Greyhound » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:24 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:Swap AD and Jokic.
Swap Tatum and Siakam.
Replace Westbrook with Lowry or Kemba.

Jokic is a great player but AD deserved that spot. Jokic is a better offensive player but Davis is a better scorer and a way better defender. His team is also the top seed in the West.

Davis 1st team was a no brainer imo.
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Re: All NBA teams are out 

Post#157 » by Raps in 4 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:26 pm

Greyhound wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:Swap AD and Jokic.
Swap Tatum and Siakam.
Replace Westbrook with Lowry or Kemba.

Jokic is a great player but AD deserved that spot. Jokic is a better offensive player but Davis is a better scorer and a way better defender. His team is also the top seed in the West.

Davis 1st team was a no brainer imo.


The difference on offence is as big as the difference on defence.

And AD won a few more games while being the second option to the GOAT.
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Re: All NBA teams are out 

Post#158 » by Catchall » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:27 pm

When are people going to realize that Westbrook is not good...
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Post#159 » by Greyhound » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:29 pm

hoosierdaddy34 wrote:
NY 567 wrote:Everything looks fine except Siakam on the 2nd team and AD over Jokic is a joke. AD is a second option


Doesn’t change the fact AD is better than Jokic.

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Post#160 » by Greyhound » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:36 pm

THE J0KER wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
Ball so hard wrote:
Lebron also played a majority of his time at PG. Would you prefer if they had bumped Harden to the second team and move Kawhi to the first team? As another poster mentioned, it seems they have quasi-moved on from picking the best player at a certain position... or at a minimum voting based on best at a given position has been inconsistently done.

Guys were able to put guys as they saw fit (some guys had multi position eligibility)

They wanted (the NBA) to get the best 15 players on here, and that meant that if the majority had our Lebron and Kawhi on their first team they would’ve been, however they didn’t.

This has nothing to with positional requirements and it simply was more people voted for AD over Jokic

Middleton, who can play SG if necessary, get more points (82) than both third-team guards, but didn't reach all-NBA third team because he is nominated as forward.

The NBA cleared this up weeks ago.

LeBron is eligible at forward and guard, Davis is eligible at forward and center, Middleton is eligible at forward and guard, Butler as well.

There was no vote splitting between positions.
Most votes (combined at all eligible positions) got the spots.
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