Updated best young cores

Moderators: GeorgeMarcus, ken6199, BombsquadSammy, Domejandro, KingDavid, bwgood77, Dirk, jamaalstar21, zimpy27, infinite11285

User avatar
RoyceDa59
RealGM
Posts: 20,789
And1: 4,702
Joined: Aug 25, 2002
         

Re: Updated best young cores 

Post#21 » by RoyceDa59 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:53 pm

Nuggets #1 at this point. Mavs close second.
Go Raps!!
Mickey8
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,770
And1: 1,157
Joined: Jan 21, 2017

Re: Updated best young cores 

Post#22 » by Mickey8 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:55 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:Why are the Mavericks on the list, Porzingis can't stay healthy full season , that disqualifies them right away, the other pieces are ok , but there is no potential all star type player on that roster beside Porzingis.


The hard part is finding an MVP guy.

And Doncic is the only other guy along with Greek Freak who's the potential league MVP at such a young age.

Finding a KP isn't nearly as hard to do.


But here is the debate about young core of players not the single player, Curry ,Hardaway JR, Powell are alright but non of them have an all star potential .
User avatar
Optms
RealGM
Posts: 16,368
And1: 9,083
Joined: Jun 11, 2009
 

Re: Updated best young cores 

Post#23 » by Optms » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:58 pm

You cannot convince me to take the Nuggets core over Luka. Not a chance in hell.
mademan
RealGM
Posts: 18,815
And1: 16,369
Joined: Feb 18, 2010

Re: Updated best young cores 

Post#24 » by mademan » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:59 pm

Optms wrote:You cannot convince me to take the Nuggets core over Luka. Not a chance in hell.


Depends on KP's body holding up and if Murray's gonna fizzle out or if this is who he is.
Mickey8
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,770
And1: 1,157
Joined: Jan 21, 2017

Re: Updated best young cores 

Post#25 » by Mickey8 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:02 pm

Optms wrote:You cannot convince me to take the Nuggets core over Luka. Not a chance in hell.

The Nuggets are playing Conference finals, Luka is getting fat somwhere on the private yacht , Denver is improving every year, Jokic is difference maker as well , he's not that inferior to Luka, Luka is just more selfish player on the offense.
NY 567
Analyst
Posts: 3,647
And1: 4,946
Joined: Dec 18, 2016

Re: Updated best young cores 

Post#26 » by NY 567 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:04 pm

Mickey8 wrote:
Optms wrote:You cannot convince me to take the Nuggets core over Luka. Not a chance in hell.

The Nuggets are playing Conference finals, Luka is getting fat somwhere on the private yacht , Denver is improving every year, Jokic is difference maker as well , he's not that inferior to Luka, Luka is just more selfish player on the offense.

Mavs took the Clipps to 6 despite a bogus KP ejection in a game they could have easily won, Luka on 1 leg, and KP missing most of the series. They had a real chance to win that series in 6, maybe even 5 if they were healthy.
User avatar
Optms
RealGM
Posts: 16,368
And1: 9,083
Joined: Jun 11, 2009
 

Re: Updated best young cores 

Post#27 » by Optms » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:07 pm

Mickey8 wrote:
Optms wrote:You cannot convince me to take the Nuggets core over Luka. Not a chance in hell.

The Nuggets are playing Conference finals, Luka is getting fat somwhere on the private yacht , Denver is improving every year, Jokic is difference maker as well , he's not that inferior to Luka, Luka is just more selfish player on the offense.


He's better than Jokic while being 4 years younger. This isn't even up for debate. And if Porzingis was healthy we'd be looking at a Mavericks-Lakers match up right now.
Mickey8
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,770
And1: 1,157
Joined: Jan 21, 2017

Re: Updated best young cores 

Post#28 » by Mickey8 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:11 pm

Thats like your opinion, man. Luka should learn to shoot the ball, his air ball threes attempts and ft shooting are embarrassing for NBA superstar .
User avatar
JXL
Head Coach
Posts: 6,636
And1: 5,436
Joined: Sep 01, 2013
Location: New York
Contact:
     

Re: Updated best young cores 

Post#29 » by JXL » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:11 pm

1. Celtics
2. Mavs
3. Nuggets
4. Grizzlies
5. Pelicans

Honorable Mention: Suns
BIRD UP!
Jaqua92
General Manager
Posts: 9,059
And1: 5,160
Joined: Feb 21, 2017
 

Re: Updated best young cores 

Post#30 » by Jaqua92 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:12 pm

bisme37 wrote:Assuming the point of basketball is winning and not just how good we think players are in our heads, the current list ought to be...

Celtics (2nd and 3rd conference finals for Tatum and Brown at ages 22 and 23)
Nuggets
Heat
Mavs

With the caveat that Doncic is awesome and might have more playoff success if KP didn't go down.
As a Celtic fan I can argue that the Celtics can be argued to match Denver's core.

But no way are we above them.

Jokic is the best player. Murray is closer to Tatum than he is to Brown.

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk
Game - It's an L
User avatar
Dupp
RealGM
Posts: 105,419
And1: 57,240
Joined: Aug 16, 2009
Location: Billy Crystals lap
 

Re: Updated best young cores 

Post#31 » by Dupp » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:17 pm

Nuggets core is number 1 for me. Joker is close enough to Luka that murrays superiority over porzingas gives them a decent edge. Especially taking health into consideration.
Neato wrote:I'd also like to take this opportunity to apologize to everyone for being a neato
User avatar
PhilBlackson
RealGM
Posts: 19,100
And1: 30,916
Joined: May 02, 2017
Location: No Wastemans Land
     

Re: Updated best young cores 

Post#32 » by PhilBlackson » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:21 pm

Until Luka gets a 3rd (reliably healthy) star....

Nuggets have THE best young core.
#BIGTRUSS >>>>***Jayson Hall of Fatum is a top 10 player*** <<<< __ Lead Supporter of Michael Porter__
Image
User avatar
Jadoogar
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,851
And1: 4,928
Joined: May 06, 2010
   

Re: Updated best young cores 

Post#33 » by Jadoogar » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:24 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:
Jadoogar wrote:In light of these playoffs, i wanted to rexamine the best young cores list. I'm going to define young as 25 years or younger

1. Mavericks - Luka (potential MVP), Porzingis (potential allstar)
2. Celtics - Tatum (all nba), Brown (potential allstar), Robert Williams (likely role player), Grant Williams (likely role player)
3. Nuggets - Jokic (all nba), Murray (potential allstar), Michael Porter Jr (potential allstar)
4. Suns - Booker (potential all nba), Ayton (potential all star), Bridges (potential starter)
5. Pelicans - Zion (potential allstar maybe more), Ingram (allstar), Josh Hart (potential starter), Lonzo Ball (potential role player)
6. Hawks - Trae Young (potential all nba), John Collins (likely allstar), Hunter/Reddish (potential role players)
7. Timberwolves - KAT (all nba), D'angelo (allstar kinda), #1 pick
8. Heat - Bam (potential all nba), Herro (likely starter), Nunn (likely starter)
9. OKC - mostly relying on picks but SGA is potential allstar
10. Bulls - Lavine (potential allstar), Carter jr (potential allstar), Markkanen (likely starter), Coby White (potential starter)

Cavs, Knicks, Hornets, Magic haven't shown much/i don't watch these teams.
Jazz and Philly have 1 core player under 25, i'm unsure how we would rank them.


it's a good list, but as you admitted you need Memphis in there at about 5. Mavericks are too high with just Doncic and Porizingis as a potential all-star. just two dudes (where all the others have 3-5 guys) with only one being a legit star already. Also, Bridges - potential starter - he is a starter already and plays huge minutes. he might have remote all-star potential as a top 3 and D guy in the entire league.

otherwise good thread and good post.


I would argue 1 player at an MVP level like Luka is worth 2 shots at allstars. Tatum and Jokic are definitely close but i would still have Luka higher.
User avatar
THE J0KER
Forum Mod - Nuggets
Forum Mod - Nuggets
Posts: 5,242
And1: 5,336
Joined: Apr 12, 2017
 

Re: Updated best young cores 

Post#34 » by THE J0KER » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:25 pm

OP forget about some notable youngsters, so order is wrong.

1. Mavericks - Luka (potential MVP), Porzingis (potential allstar)
2. Celtics - Tatum (all nba), Brown (potential allstar), Robert Williams (likely role player), Grant Williams (likely role player)
3. Nuggets - Jokic (potential MVP), Murray (potential allstar), Michael Porter Jr (potential allstar), Bol Bol (potential starter)
4. Suns - Booker (potential all nba), Ayton (potential all star), Bridges (potential starter), Oubre (potential starter)
5. Pelicans - Zion (potential allstar maybe more), Ingram (allstar), Josh Hart (potential starter), Lonzo Ball (potential starter), Jaxson Hayes (potential starter)
6. Hawks - Trae Young (potential all nba), John Collins (likely allstar), Hunter/Reddish (potential starters)
7. Timberwolves - KAT (all nba), D'angelo (allstar kinda), #1 pick, Malik Beasley (starter)
8. Heat - Bam (potential all nba), Herro (likely starter), Nunn (likely starter)
9. OKC - mostly relying on picks but SGA is potential allstar
10. Bulls - Lavine (potential allstar), Carter jr (potential allstar), Markkanen (likely starter), Coby White (potential starter)
Grizlies - Morant (potential allstar), JJJackson (potential allstar), B.Clark (starter), D.Brooks (starter)
Kings - Fox (potential allstar), Bagley (starter, potential allstar), Harry Giles (starter)
Sharkboy242
Rookie
Posts: 1,021
And1: 1,308
Joined: Feb 19, 2017
   

Re: Updated best young cores 

Post#35 » by Sharkboy242 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:29 pm

NY 567 wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:
Optms wrote:You cannot convince me to take the Nuggets core over Luka. Not a chance in hell.

The Nuggets are playing Conference finals, Luka is getting fat somwhere on the private yacht , Denver is improving every year, Jokic is difference maker as well , he's not that inferior to Luka, Luka is just more selfish player on the offense.

Mavs took the Clipps to 6 despite a bogus KP ejection in a game they could have easily won, Luka on 1 leg, and KP missing most of the series. They had a real chance to win that series in 6, maybe even 5 if they were healthy.

Hey guys

Mavs with KP woulda beat the Clipps in 5 or 6. :lol:

Just because you say things, doesn't make them true.
MagicBagley18
Head Coach
Posts: 6,831
And1: 8,336
Joined: Feb 15, 2019
   

Re: Updated best young cores 

Post#36 » by MagicBagley18 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:29 pm

Rapaz wrote:One glaring omission:

Bucks - Giannis (25) and Donte (23)


Give u giannis but donte is a role player and isn’t anywhere near as any of these other guys in terms of their ceiling imo
pipfan
Head Coach
Posts: 6,895
And1: 1,473
Joined: Aug 07, 2010

Re: Updated best young cores 

Post#37 » by pipfan » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:31 pm

Lots of good young cores out there. I actually thing the Bulls could be sneaky good. We just got rid of the Real GM-certified worst coach/FO duo in the league. We have Lavine, Lauri, Carter, Gafford, White and the #4 pick. With a better coach and a solid pick I think we move into the top 7 or 8 of the young cores
User avatar
beeshma
Rookie
Posts: 1,176
And1: 625
Joined: Mar 24, 2011

Re: Updated best young cores 

Post#38 » by beeshma » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:34 pm

I think phrase "best young core" should be reserved for teams that meet two criteria:
1. They are not in the playoffs or barely snuck in for the first time.
2. They do not completely suck. There is some indication of steady improvement over a couple of years.

Memphis and Dallas meets criteria 1. Celtics absolutely do not!
Suns meets criteria 2. T-Wolves and Hawks do not!

Bucks, Celtics, Denver no longer belong in the discussion. When a team like the Celtics (for example) tries to say they also have the best young core, that is like having your cake and eating it too. Make up your mind...is your team a legit title contender, or are they the best young core? If your team is a title contender, then why do you need to make yourselves feel better by dreaming of how you have the best young core? That is a term reserved for daydreaming fans whose team are on the outside of the playoffs.
User avatar
Jadoogar
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,851
And1: 4,928
Joined: May 06, 2010
   

Re: Updated best young cores 

Post#39 » by Jadoogar » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:37 pm

beeshma wrote:I think young core should be reserved for teams that are not in the playoffs.

When a team like the Celtics tries to say they also have the best young core, that is like having your cake and eating it too. Make up your mind...is your team a legit title contender, or are they the best young core? I think it's a clear signal of Celtics insecurity that they want to claim they are both.

If your team is a title contender, then why do you need to make yourselves feel better by dreaming of how you have the best young core? That is a term reserved for daydreaming fans whose team are on the outside.


I disagree. Them being in the playoffs is just a testament to their players. They are already so good and likely to remain good due to their youth.
Sharkboy242
Rookie
Posts: 1,021
And1: 1,308
Joined: Feb 19, 2017
   

Re: Updated best young cores 

Post#40 » by Sharkboy242 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:38 pm

beeshma wrote:I think young core should be reserved for teams that are not in the playoffs.

When a team like the Celtics tries to say they also have the best young core, that is like having your cake and eating it too. Make up your mind...is your team a legit title contender, or are they the best young core? I think it's a clear signal of Celtics insecurity that they want to claim they are both.

If your team is a title contender, then why do you need to make yourselves feel better by dreaming of how you have the best young core? That is a term reserved for daydreaming fans whose team are on the outside.

Title contender and young core aren't mutually exclusive so I don't see the point of your post.

Return to The General Board