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Alize wrote:Come on twyzted, which criteria is next? 6 titles although your god Jordan didnt reach Russels 11? Scoring per game? Guess LeBron needs to chuck up 50 shots and get 63 points and still get swept in the first round. Next one.
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ILOVEIT wrote:I'm not a LeBron fan.
But he were to win next year. He's the GOAT. Sorry to all Jordan fans.
LeBron has been an overall better player....just not as clutch and his amount of losses in finals has been glaring.
If he were to run through an entirely healthy league and win it next year. The GOAT.
the kanter wrote:longevity: lebron
career peak: shaq
so why exactly should we consider MJ the goat?
ReddoverKobe wrote:Look at the knicks guards, its a joke.
BostonCouchGM wrote:nah. He's 85% genetics 15% PEDs. Most of his success is tied to things he couldn't control. He's just physically a freak at 6'8" 260 lbs. If you gave him Larry Bird's body is he even in the NBA with no post game, mid-range game, clutch gene? Larry dominated the toughest decade in NBA history, with stars like MJ, Magic, Barkley, Moses, Kareem, Isiah, Hakeem, Ewing, and Dr. J and won three straight MVPs and finished top 2 in MVP voting 8 straight years until he was injured. He's a better shooter and rebounder than Lebron. He's an equal passer and team defender. There's never been a smarter basketball player with higher BBIQ than Bird though Lebron is elite as well. But Bird was also clutch unlike Lebron. All Lebron has on Bird was a few years of better on man defense and longevity. His era was weaker. His usage rate was higher with no defense being played so his counting stats are better due to playing with the ball in his hands so much and for so many more years. Magic and Kobe are better than Lebron as well. Kobe because he was an elite defender unlike Lebron and better scorer and Magic because he was clutch, arguably the best leader in sports history, and played Center when Kareem was out and led his team to an NBA championship. He also was a Gold medalist and NCAA champion.
Top Five
MJ
Bird
Magic
Kobe
Lebron
Official wrote:Jordan dodge the 24 hour news coverage of basketball. During his first three seasons, he posted losing records and got swept in the first round. The first year he won MVP, he was gentleman swept in the semis. All while being non existent in the last 3 games of that semis averaging 24ppg (Imagine if Lebron did that). And then the following year you go from 50 wins to 47. Good news - You go up 2-1 in the ECF then lose three in a row- 23 points on 5-15 shooting, 18 points on 4-8 shooting (how the hell do you only take 8 shots), and I'll give it to him - his last game was nice 13-26 on 32 points.. Oh but Jordan never lost and never folded....the guy was up 2-1 and lost three in a row - again only 8 shots and another game you were 5-15. Players get trashed for those type of performances and it lives with them for years. But shhhhh, that never happened. Only Lebron has bad series.
Kobe187 wrote:Official wrote:Jordan dodge the 24 hour news coverage of basketball. During his first three seasons, he posted losing records and got swept in the first round. The first year he won MVP, he was gentleman swept in the semis. All while being non existent in the last 3 games of that semis averaging 24ppg (Imagine if Lebron did that). And then the following year you go from 50 wins to 47. Good news - You go up 2-1 in the ECF then lose three in a row- 23 points on 5-15 shooting, 18 points on 4-8 shooting (how the hell do you only take 8 shots), and I'll give it to him - his last game was nice 13-26 on 32 points.. Oh but Jordan never lost and never folded....the guy was up 2-1 and lost three in a row - again only 8 shots and another game you were 5-15. Players get trashed for those type of performances and it lives with them for years. But shhhhh, that never happened. Only Lebron has bad series.
Made playoffs:
Jordan 13/13 LeBron 14/17
Overall playoffs Win %
Jordan 66.5 LeBron 65.3
Finals Win %
Jordan 100 LeBron 40
Jordan faced 269 opponents in his playoff career, outscoring every player, except one.
27 of the 37 playoff opponents Jordan faced had over 50 wins. James has never had to defeat 3 teams with 50 wins or 2 teams with 60 wins in any playoff run. Jordan’s teams accomplished this in 5 of his playoff runs.
Although, a summary of his basketball career and influence on the game inevitably fails to do it justice, as a phenomenal athlete with a unique combination of fundamental soundness, grace, speed, power, artistry, improvisational ability and an unquenchable competitive desire, Jordan single-handedly redefined the NBA superstar.Pennebaker wrote:Jordan lacks LeBron's mental toughness.
Official wrote:Kobe187 wrote:Official wrote:Jordan dodge the 24 hour news coverage of basketball. During his first three seasons, he posted losing records and got swept in the first round. The first year he won MVP, he was gentleman swept in the semis. All while being non existent in the last 3 games of that semis averaging 24ppg (Imagine if Lebron did that). And then the following year you go from 50 wins to 47. Good news - You go up 2-1 in the ECF then lose three in a row- 23 points on 5-15 shooting, 18 points on 4-8 shooting (how the hell do you only take 8 shots), and I'll give it to him - his last game was nice 13-26 on 32 points.. Oh but Jordan never lost and never folded....the guy was up 2-1 and lost three in a row - again only 8 shots and another game you were 5-15. Players get trashed for those type of performances and it lives with them for years. But shhhhh, that never happened. Only Lebron has bad series.
Made playoffs:
Jordan 13/13 LeBron 14/17
Overall playoffs Win %
Jordan 66.5 LeBron 65.3
Finals Win %
Jordan 100 LeBron 40
Jordan faced 269 opponents in his playoff career, outscoring every player, except one.
27 of the 37 playoff opponents Jordan faced had over 50 wins. James has never had to defeat 3 teams with 50 wins or 2 teams with 60 wins in any playoff run. Jordan’s teams accomplished this in 5 of his playoff runs.
The lack of context in your post is ridiculous and convenient omitting of seasons is laughable. Lets ignore the fact he hardly played in 94-95 and 85-86 - his teams were on pace to make the playoffs without him but you are going to penalize Lebron for last year and reward Jordan for making the playoffs in those years. When he returned in 85-86 at the end of the year the bulls winning percentage never changed so it wasn't the case of a last minute surge and in 95-96 they did make a nice run at the end, regardless the Bulls were going to make the playoffs. Best of all is the Bulls won 55 games without Jordan - imagine if Lebron played on a team that could win 55 games. Not too mention you ignored both of his Wizard years where he missed the playoffs - don't care how old he was - the east those years was trash and his team finished 10th and was a never a threat to even make the playoffs all year - they had a losing record all season.
Pennebaker wrote:Jordan lacks LeBron's mental toughness.
twyzted wrote:
Imagine if lebron didnt require the team hes joining not having to trade all there assets to win now, like putting together a team. Thats what the bulls did made a great team who did well when Jordan left. So imo that is better then leaving a dumpster fire of overpaid role players.
Wizards were 26-21 when Jordan injured his knee. So on their way to the playoffs.
He scored 51 points as 40 year old, next game casual 45. And with that 51 point game became the first and only player to score 50 points in 3 diffrent decades. No other player has even gotten 40.
