LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals

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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#41 » by ssang » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:20 am

dynamic duo wrote:lebron is the superteam who has been the clear-cut best player in the finals 8 times now battling superteams throughout his career and barrying injury will end up with 40k/10k/10k while leading his team in points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks most of the time.

lebron beat the best regular season team of all-time in 73-9 warriors in the finals and after loss the warriors all-stars cried and called another prime mvp for help because lebron "a one man dynasty" in their minds was just too much to handle. the only reason they won the previous year was because you can only do so much with dellavedova and mozgov. they got huge contracts shortly after because that's what lebron does, he makes his teams look like superteams.

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jordan was great at scoring points in the watered down 90s while his hof teammates did the rest.


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Sorry kid. You can close your eyes and click your heels ‘til your heart’s content, but no matter how badly you want it, no matter much you wish it to be true, no matter how many entirely non-contextualized, wholly misguided, completely cherry-picked numbers you care to recite, no matter how vastly overstated of a picture you want to paint, no matter any which way six ways from Sunday you wanna shake it....for as phenomenally all-time great your boy is at basketball - which, make no mistake, he is - just know and understand this one very true, very real thing: there exists at least one man in very particular who was appreciably better; full stop.

Please do not allow this to dissuade you from any forms of appreciation and enjoyment. By all means, appreciate your guy. Enjoy his successes. Cloud nine that sh*t.

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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#42 » by Optms » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:21 am

Clyde Frazier wrote:Ban the word superteam from basketball discussion permanently.


This x10000

Tired of hearing how every championship team now is a superteam.
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#43 » by A_Biased_Fan » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:28 am

Clutch0z24 wrote:
A_Biased_Fan wrote:
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Solid chart!

And for those of you complaining the Spurs guys or Kidd are not in their prime. Well neither were Stockton, Magic, Worthy, and Divac (and speaking of Divac, how the hell is he in the HOF?).


Its the fact LeBron LOST LOST LOST To these over the hill HOF guys ...Jordan NEVER Lost to these guys in the finals thats WHY it makes the loses on LBJ finals resume worse


What's there to compare? Jordan rarely played teams with multiple HOF'ers in the finals. He did so twice, and that's the Jazz and Lakers, who each had 2 (I can only assume Divac is in for international reasons, the guy never scored more than 20 ppg and only made one all star team). And in 3 of these finals, he has more HOF'ers contributing on his own team than the opposite team. The Spurs had friggin 4! And they were all still contributors and playing big minutes.

Jordan's competition in the finals just wasn't as good as Lebron's. It's ok to admit it.
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#44 » by Drygon » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:29 am

A_Biased_Fan wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:
A_Biased_Fan wrote:
Solid chart!

And for those of you complaining the Spurs guys or Kidd are not in their prime. Well neither were Stockton, Magic, Worthy, and Divac (and speaking of Divac, how the hell is he in the HOF?).


Its the fact LeBron LOST LOST LOST To these over the hill HOF guys ...Jordan NEVER Lost to these guys in the finals thats WHY it makes the loses on LBJ finals resume worse


What's there to compare? Jordan rarely played teams with multiple HOF'ers in the finals. He did so twice, and that's the Jazz and Lakers, who each had 2 (I can only assume Divac is in for international reasons, the guy never scored more than 20 ppg and only made one all star team). And in 3 of these finals, he has more HOF'ers contributing on his own team than the opposite team. The Spurs had friggin 4! And they were all still contributors and playing big minutes.

Jordan's competition in the finals just wasn't as good as Lebron's. It's ok to admit it.


Who's the 4th Hall of Famer Spurs had?

Bruce Bowen & Kawhi were just role players in those Finals teams.

Andre Iguodala was no different from them and he earned a Finals MVP. Why wasn't he mentioned in that chart?
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#45 » by MrBigShot » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:30 am

2013 and 2014 Spurs were about as far from a super team as a championship team could possibly get. Which isn't to say they weren't excellent teams by any means.
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#46 » by TheHardenChoke » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:32 am

Can't tell if OP is daft or just trying to prop up LeBron.

Either is possible with his fans
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#47 » by A_Biased_Fan » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:33 am

MrBigShot wrote:2013 and 2014 Spurs were about as far from a super team as a championship team could possibly get. Which isn't to say they weren't excellent teams by any means.


I wouldn't call them a Super team. But yes, they were an excellent team and I would go out on a limb and say they would have been better competition than any of Jordan's finals opponents. Great rim protection in Timmy, great Jordan defender in Kawhi, creators in Manu and Parker, one of the GOAT coaches. Why not.
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#48 » by bubonicphoniks » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:34 am

Lebrons actually the superteam guy. He basically started the whole thing. How long you been watching hoops?

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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#49 » by A_Biased_Fan » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:36 am

Drygon wrote:
A_Biased_Fan wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:
Its the fact LeBron LOST LOST LOST To these over the hill HOF guys ...Jordan NEVER Lost to these guys in the finals thats WHY it makes the loses on LBJ finals resume worse


What's there to compare? Jordan rarely played teams with multiple HOF'ers in the finals. He did so twice, and that's the Jazz and Lakers, who each had 2 (I can only assume Divac is in for international reasons, the guy never scored more than 20 ppg and only made one all star team). And in 3 of these finals, he has more HOF'ers contributing on his own team than the opposite team. The Spurs had friggin 4! And they were all still contributors and playing big minutes.

Jordan's competition in the finals just wasn't as good as Lebron's. It's ok to admit it.


Who's the 4th Hall of Famer Spurs had?

Bruce Bowen or Kawhi were just role players & in those Finals teams.

Andre Iguodala was no different from them and he earned a Finals MVP. Why wasn't he mentioned in that chart?


Kawhi. Kawhi should count just as much as Stockton should on a list like this. Stockton was out of his prime due to being old (and he was awful in the 98 finals). Kawhi was young and hadn't entered his prime yet.
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#50 » by bubonicphoniks » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:39 am

Lalouie wrote:
HypeMode wrote:One underrated aspect of LeBron's career is just how many loaded teams he has faced in the finals. In his 10 finals appearances, he played a superteam in 8 of them. No superstar in history has faced that stiff competition in the finals. He was consistently facing teams with 3 or 4 all-stars/HOF on a routine basis. The fact that he has 4 finals against that competition is a testament to his greatness.

2007 Spurs:
Duncan (HOF)
Manu (HOF!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
2012 Thunder:
KD (MVP)
,,,,,,,,,

2014 Spurs:
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
KD (MVP)
Klay (All-star)
Green (All-Star)
Iggy (All-Star)


okc was too young , NBA history will tell you that never works ,,,,,,except ONCE - the 77 blazers.

and okc went only that one year, so they couldn't very well be called "super" as that roster could not sustain

also to compete against those "super teams" LeBron had to create two super teams himself. in other words the ante was upped on BOTH sides. so if this a another mj versus lebron thing,,,mj did not go out and create a super team as lebron did

and BTW you're bastardizing the term "super team". the celts had a big3 which they traded for. I don't recall the use of the word super. lebron codified it by actually manufacturing his super team. if you go by that origin, and I do, the only "super team" lebron faced was gsw+kd. pre kd gsw doesn't fit the description - they were just simply a great team, as was the spurs. so lebron actually played on 8 super teams and he just faced ONE, making his 4of9 an underacheivement

All this. Nice post thanks.

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Post#51 » by GreenBloodedC » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:48 am

LeBron fans are actually arguing that LeBron's not part of a superteam :lol:
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#52 » by prophet_of_rage » Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:15 am

Tor_Raps wrote:Haha maaann... are lebron fans going to overtake Kobe fans as the worst fanbase in basketball?
Can't get past Jordan stans. Blame Bob Costas for calling MJ GOAT.

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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#53 » by Clutch0z24 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:15 am

A_Biased_Fan wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:
A_Biased_Fan wrote:
Solid chart!

And for those of you complaining the Spurs guys or Kidd are not in their prime. Well neither were Stockton, Magic, Worthy, and Divac (and speaking of Divac, how the hell is he in the HOF?).


Its the fact LeBron LOST LOST LOST To these over the hill HOF guys ...Jordan NEVER Lost to these guys in the finals thats WHY it makes the loses on LBJ finals resume worse


What's there to compare? Jordan rarely played teams with multiple HOF'ers in the finals. He did so twice, and that's the Jazz and Lakers, who each had 2 (I can only assume Divac is in for international reasons, the guy never scored more than 20 ppg and only made one all star team). And in 3 of these finals, he has more HOF'ers contributing on his own team than the opposite team. The Spurs had friggin 4! And they were all still contributors and playing big minutes.

Jordan's competition in the finals just wasn't as good as Lebron's. It's ok to admit it.


Admit what? Lmaoo LeBron lost in the finals when he WAS the superteam with the Miami heat....He WAS the favorites and lost TWICE to the Mavs who had no business beating that Miami team but LBJ Choked worse then Any Superstar , And Lost to Spurs who their best players was 37 years old....I mean come on man ...

Playing this godly competition LBJ played in your mind and LOSING does not help his case...it just shows he could not overcome things when his back was against the wall....And lets be real here some of these teams had no business beating him in the Finals cause he had the superteam and were heavily favorited to win ....

Jordan when he should have won always won...When he was the favorite HE put his team on his back and took them to 6 championships with 2 Threepeats....A Threepeat where only Lakers Kobe And Shaq could accomplish in NBA History...

LBJ still needs to Threepeat to be in the convo with Jordan..

You can say OH LBJ played so much more competition but fact is he still LOST more then hes won against the competition which just means hes just less of a competitor then Jordan was when it came time to win
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#54 » by ThumbsUpBaby » Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:37 am

The only Superteam he faced was the KD-Warriors. Jesus, LeBronis overrating his opponents.

What's even sadder is that LeBron created his superteam with the Heat and ended up losing to non-Superteams. And Spurs aren't considered a superteam either. Tony Parker and Ginobili weren't superstars, Timmy was past his prime (although he was a star-level player), and Kawhi was just a solid starter at that time.
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Post#55 » by LeBird » Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:47 am

Eddy_JukeZ wrote:I didn't know Durant, Westbrook and Harden won a MVP each while on the same team.


And yet, OKC is far stronger than anything Jordan beat in the finals.
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Post#56 » by RB34 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:22 am

All those teams bar the KD Warriors were built through the draft. What a reach.
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Post#57 » by Pg81 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:38 am

spin_cycle wrote:
Drygon wrote:Are we gonna ignore LeBron had superteams in Miami Heat & Cavs (2nd stint)?

Lebron been on more superteams than faced superteams. SMH

Faced a superteam - 2007 Spurs, 2017-18 Warriors
Been on superteam/Big-3 - 2011-14 Heat, 2016-18 Cavs, 2020 Laker


I guess Magic has been on a superteam far longer than LeBron then, eh? :roll:

ThumbsUpBaby wrote:The only Superteam he faced was the KD-Warriors. Jesus, LeBronis overrating his opponents.

What's even sadder is that LeBron created his superteam with the Heat and ended up losing to non-Superteams. And Spurs aren't considered a superteam either. Tony Parker and Ginobili weren't superstars, Timmy was past his prime (although he was a star-level player), and Kawhi was just a solid starter at that time.


80s Lakers were a superteam and lost to the Houston Rockets in what was it the first round? Guess we should tear down the likes of Magic and Bird, too.
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Post#58 » by VanWest82 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:43 am

I'd say the 2007 and 2014 Spurs, and the last two Warriors teams count as really great teams. The 2016 Warriors were banged up and had suspension issues. That 2015 team was inexperienced and very beatable. Bron has played some really good teams though.
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#59 » by Eddy_JukeZ » Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:13 am

LeBird wrote:
Eddy_JukeZ wrote:I didn't know Durant, Westbrook and Harden won a MVP each while on the same team.


And yet, OKC is far stronger than anything Jordan beat in the finals.


I didn't bring up Jordan, so I'm not sure why you did.

You Lebron stans are insufferable nowadays.
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Post#60 » by J_T » Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:43 am

HypeMode wrote:One underrated aspect of LeBron's career is just how many loaded teams he has faced in the finals. In his 10 finals appearances, he played a superteam in 8 of them. No superstar in history has faced that stiff competition in the finals. He was consistently facing teams with 3 or 4 all-stars/HOF on a routine basis. The fact that he has 4 finals against that competition is a testament to his greatness.

2007 Spurs:
Duncan (HOF)
Manu (HOF)
Parker (HOF)

2012 Thunder:
KD (MVP)
Harden (MVP)
Westbrook (MVP)

2013 Spurs:
Duncan (HOF)
Manu (HOF)
Parker (HOF)
Kawhi (Finals MVP)

2014 Spurs:
Duncan (HOF)
Manu (HOF)
Parker (HOF)
Kawhi (Finals MVP)

2015 and 2016 Warriors:
Curry (MVP)
Klay (All-star)
Green (All-Star)
Iggy (All-Star)

2017 + 2018 Warriors:
Curry (MVP)
KD (MVP)
Klay (All-star)
Green (All-Star)
Iggy (All-Star)

Prior to 2017 he faced zero super teams. If Jordan, Hakeem and Stockton come from retirement now (and join the Knicks, of course), would that be a super team as well, by your "definition"?
In fact Bron fans shouldn't go anywhere near this argument, because what Bron will be known for is that he had played on super teams all the time, not that he played against them. His own Klutch agency will make sure to demolish any opposing super team, if there ever comes one into existence.

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