LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals

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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#81 » by The4thHorseman » Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:01 pm

Eddy_JukeZ wrote:I didn't know Durant, Westbrook and Harden won a MVP each while on the same team.

Lebron has only played 1 super-team in the finals. That's the Warriors.

None of the other teams have 2 superstars at the same time with all-stars as supporting players.

KD and Westbrook were both All-NBA that year. Harden was 6MOTY and Ibaka made All-Defensive team, led the league in blocked shots and was runner-up for DPOY. They had just steamrolled through the "brutal" West going 12-3.

People call the 2016 Cavs a superteam, but Westbrook was just as good as Kyrie if not better in the 2012 Finals. Kyrie avg. 27-4-4 while Russ avg. 27-6-6. Love avg. 8-7-1 while Harden avg. 12-5-3. I'm not insinuating that OKC was superteam, but not sure the 2016 Cavs can get that label but OKC can't. KD was also the 3x reigning scoring champ that year.
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#82 » by A_Biased_Fan » Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:35 pm

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OdomFan wrote:Uh huh, well the Hall of Fame isn't designed around what you count and don't count. The fact is Vlade did in fact have that International experience because he was from a different country than America and went on to accomplish great things with a team and individually outside of the US as well as inside of it in the NBA. So yeah, he belongs on this graphic and in the Hall of Fame.

1991 Vlade wasn't able to fill the shoes that Kareem left behind, but he was a damn good young rising star of a center at that time with plenty of potential, and he did his part to help the Lakers get as far as they got that season.


Dude literally had one all star appearance his entire NBA career, maxed out at 16 PPG, only one year over 20 PER. He's the definition of being eligible for a Hall of Very Good, if that, and not a Hall of Fame.

Again it's not the NBA Hall of Fame and he does belong because again. The International experience. You may not like that it counts but it counts regardless. He belongs. There's more to Basketball than PPG.

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That's fine, he can be in there for international reasons. But he's not a Hall of Fame talent. There's a difference.
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#83 » by LesGrossman » Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:40 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Not gonna lie - I just want to hear Laker fans admit that Lebron is better than Kobe. That's the only reason why I've been entering Lebron threads.

Wont hear that from real Lakers fans. Maybe from Bron simps and stans, like this guy:


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Post#84 » by LesGrossman » Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:41 pm

Isnt the title supposed to read "LeBron has played ON 8 Superteams in the finals"?
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Post#85 » by OdomFan » Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:46 pm

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Dude literally had one all star appearance his entire NBA career, maxed out at 16 PPG, only one year over 20 PER. He's the definition of being eligible for a Hall of Very Good, if that, and not a Hall of Fame.

Again it's not the NBA Hall of Fame and he does belong because again. The International experience. You may not like that it counts but it counts regardless. He belongs. There's more to Basketball than PPG.

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That's fine, he can be in there for international reasons. But he's not a Hall of Fame talent. There's a difference.

Uh the international reasons would be his contributing his talents to those teams as well as the NBA ones. So there's no difference.
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#86 » by A_Biased_Fan » Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:45 pm

OdomFan wrote:
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OdomFan wrote:Again it's not the NBA Hall of Fame and he does belong because again. The International experience. You may not like that it counts but it counts regardless. He belongs. There's more to Basketball than PPG.

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That's fine, he can be in there for international reasons. But he's not a Hall of Fame talent. There's a difference.

Uh the international reasons would be his contributing his talents to those teams as well as the NBA ones. So there's no difference.


Sorry dude, his production in the NBA doesn't live up to HOF standards and he was in the league from ages 21-36. So this isn't a Sabonis situation where he wasn't in the league during his physical prime.
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#87 » by OdomFan » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:11 pm

A_Biased_Fan wrote:
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That's fine, he can be in there for international reasons. But he's not a Hall of Fame talent. There's a difference.

Uh the international reasons would be his contributing his talents to those teams as well as the NBA ones. So there's no difference.


Sorry dude, his production in the NBA doesn't live up to HOF standards and he was in the league from ages 21-36. So this isn't a Sabonis situation where he wasn't in the league during his physical prime.

Sorry dude, the NBA disagrees with you.
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#88 » by skones » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:26 pm

ChantMVP wrote:Image


Do people actually look into the BS memes they post? Pretty convenient they've just omitted a number of all-stars and all defensive players.

Lakers: AC Green is missing why?
Blazers: Danny Ainge, Kevin Duckworth, Terry Porter, Clifford Robinson, missing why?
Suns: Kevin Johnson, Danny Ainge, Tom Chambers, Cedric Ceballos, missing why?
Sonics: Detlef Schrempf, Hersey Hawkins, Nate McMillan, missing why?
Utah: Jeff Hornacek missing why?

Holy christ, the slant is real. Just conveniently omitting guys to ride Lebron's jock.
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Post#89 » by The Hypnotoad » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:27 pm

HypeMode wrote:One underrated aspect of LeBron's career is just how many loaded teams he has faced in the finals. In his 10 finals appearances, he played a superteam in 8 of them. No superstar in history has faced that stiff competition in the finals. He was consistently facing teams with 3 or 4 all-stars/HOF on a routine basis. The fact that he has 4 finals against that competition is a testament to his greatness.



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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#90 » by KyRo23 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:29 pm

skones wrote:
ChantMVP wrote:Image


Do people actually look into the BS memes they post? Pretty convenient they've just omitted a number of all-stars and all defensive players.

Lakers: AC Green is missing why?
Blazers: Danny Ainge, Kevin Duckworth, Terry Porter, Clifford Robinson, missing why?
Suns: Kevin Johnson, Danny Ainge, Tom Chambers, Cedric Ceballos, missing why?
Sonics: Detlef Schrempf, Hersey Hawkins, Nate McMillan, missing why?
Utah: Jeff Hornacek missing why?

Holy christ, the slant is real. Just conveniently omitting guys to ride Lebron's jock.


To be fair, there is a legend for the graphic that shows how the players were selected. If you want to call that biased, then sure, but it's there.
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#91 » by skones » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:33 pm

KyRo23 wrote:
skones wrote:
ChantMVP wrote:Image


Do people actually look into the BS memes they post? Pretty convenient they've just omitted a number of all-stars and all defensive players.

Lakers: AC Green is missing why?
Blazers: Danny Ainge, Kevin Duckworth, Terry Porter, Clifford Robinson, missing why?
Suns: Kevin Johnson, Danny Ainge, Tom Chambers, Cedric Ceballos, missing why?
Sonics: Detlef Schrempf, Hersey Hawkins, Nate McMillan, missing why?
Utah: Jeff Hornacek missing why?

Holy christ, the slant is real. Just conveniently omitting guys to ride Lebron's jock.


To be fair, there is a legend for the graphic that shows how the players were selected. If you want to call that biased, then sure, but it's there.


No, not "to be fair."

AC Green All Defensive Team
Clifford Robinson All Defensive Team
Kevin Johnson All NBA
Tom Chambers All NBA
Detlef Schrempf All NBA
Nate McMillan All Defensive Team

The graphic doesn't follow its own gd legend.
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#92 » by A_Biased_Fan » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:47 pm

skones wrote:
ChantMVP wrote:Image


Do people actually look into the BS memes they post? Pretty convenient they've just omitted a number of all-stars and all defensive players.

Lakers: AC Green is missing why?
Blazers: Danny Ainge, Kevin Duckworth, Terry Porter, Clifford Robinson, missing why?
Suns: Kevin Johnson, Danny Ainge, Tom Chambers, Cedric Ceballos, missing why?
Sonics: Detlef Schrempf, Hersey Hawkins, Nate McMillan, missing why?
Utah: Jeff Hornacek missing why?

Holy christ, the slant is real. Just conveniently omitting guys to ride Lebron's jock.


Pot, meet kettle. If you see the legend on the bottom of the screen, it is highlighting guys in the HOF, All-NBA that year, or all-defensive team that year.
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#93 » by A_Biased_Fan » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:51 pm

skones wrote:
KyRo23 wrote:
skones wrote:
Do people actually look into the BS memes they post? Pretty convenient they've just omitted a number of all-stars and all defensive players.

Lakers: AC Green is missing why?
Blazers: Danny Ainge, Kevin Duckworth, Terry Porter, Clifford Robinson, missing why?
Suns: Kevin Johnson, Danny Ainge, Tom Chambers, Cedric Ceballos, missing why?
Sonics: Detlef Schrempf, Hersey Hawkins, Nate McMillan, missing why?
Utah: Jeff Hornacek missing why?

Holy christ, the slant is real. Just conveniently omitting guys to ride Lebron's jock.


To be fair, there is a legend for the graphic that shows how the players were selected. If you want to call that biased, then sure, but it's there.


No, not "to be fair."

AC Green All Defensive Team
Clifford Robinson All Defensive Team
Kevin Johnson All NBA
Tom Chambers All NBA
Detlef Schrempf All NBA
Nate McMillan All Defensive Team

The graphic doesn't follow its own gd legend.


AC Green was not All Defensive in 90-91
Kevin Johnson was not All NBA in 92-93
Tom Chambers was not All NBA in 92-93
Detlef Schrempf was not All NBA in 95-96
Nate McMillan was not all defensive in 95-96

You know they have wikipedia where you can look this all up rather easily.
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#94 » by jason bourne » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:20 pm

OdomFan wrote:
A_Biased_Fan wrote:
OdomFan wrote:Uh the international reasons would be his contributing his talents to those teams as well as the NBA ones. So there's no difference.


Sorry dude, his production in the NBA doesn't live up to HOF standards and he was in the league from ages 21-36. So this isn't a Sabonis situation where he wasn't in the league during his physical prime.

Sorry dude, the NBA disagrees with you.


How do you know the NBA disagrees with him? They did start their own top 50 list.
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#95 » by Harry Garris » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:31 pm

How stacked a team is with talent isnt the only thing that matters. The 2012 Thunder were probably more talented than the 2013 and 2014 Spurs, but the Spurs were a far superior team.
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Post#96 » by OdomFan » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:34 pm

jason bourne wrote:
OdomFan wrote:
A_Biased_Fan wrote:
Sorry dude, his production in the NBA doesn't live up to HOF standards and he was in the league from ages 21-36. So this isn't a Sabonis situation where he wasn't in the league during his physical prime.

Sorry dude, the NBA disagrees with you.


How do you know the NBA disagrees with him? They did start their own top 50 list.

because he's in the Hall of Fame. Not just because of his International play, but because of what he contributed for the NBA teams that he played for throughout his career.
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#97 » by Wallace_Wallace » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:40 pm

You forgot, he's also played 3 other super teams besides the finals
1. Going to work Pistons in the mid 00's (Billups/Hamilton/Wallace's)
2. Boston's big 3 (and big 4 with Rondo emerging)
3. Orlando Magic (with all stars like Howard, Lewis and Nelson)

You sound like one of those parents who told their kids that they have fight off a tiger and then race a cheetah on the way to school
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Post#98 » by nikster » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:40 pm

skones wrote:
KyRo23 wrote:
skones wrote:
Do people actually look into the BS memes they post? Pretty convenient they've just omitted a number of all-stars and all defensive players.

Lakers: AC Green is missing why?
Blazers: Danny Ainge, Kevin Duckworth, Terry Porter, Clifford Robinson, missing why?
Suns: Kevin Johnson, Danny Ainge, Tom Chambers, Cedric Ceballos, missing why?
Sonics: Detlef Schrempf, Hersey Hawkins, Nate McMillan, missing why?
Utah: Jeff Hornacek missing why?

Holy christ, the slant is real. Just conveniently omitting guys to ride Lebron's jock.


To be fair, there is a legend for the graphic that shows how the players were selected. If you want to call that biased, then sure, but it's there.


No, not "to be fair."

AC Green All Defensive Team
Clifford Robinson All Defensive Team
Kevin Johnson All NBA
Tom Chambers All NBA
Detlef Schrempf All NBA
Nate McMillan All Defensive Team

The graphic doesn't follow its own gd legend.

It's showing the players who met this criteria for those awards the years they were in the finals. None of those guys won awards the years they faced MJ in the finals
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#99 » by jason bourne » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:01 pm

OdomFan wrote:
jason bourne wrote:
OdomFan wrote:Sorry dude, the NBA disagrees with you.


How do you know the NBA disagrees with him? They did start their own top 50 list.

because he's in the Hall of Fame. Not just because of his International play, but because of what he contributed for the NBA teams that he played for throughout his career.


Your top reason is circular logic. Just because the NBA recognizes its members who make the Naismith HOF, it doesn't mean they think he's a top 50 NBA player, coach, or other.
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Re: LeBron has played 8 Superteams in the finals 

Post#100 » by ILOVEIT » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:05 pm

HypeMode wrote:One underrated aspect of LeBron's career is just how many loaded teams he has faced in the finals. In his 10 finals appearances, he played a superteam in 8 of them. No superstar in history has faced that stiff competition in the finals. He was consistently facing teams with 3 or 4 all-stars/HOF on a routine basis. The fact that he has 4 finals against that competition is a testament to his greatness.

2007 Spurs:
Duncan (HOF)
Manu (HOF)
Parker (HOF)

2012 Thunder:
KD (MVP)
Harden (MVP)
Westbrook (MVP)

2013 Spurs:
Duncan (HOF)
Manu (HOF)
Parker (HOF)
Kawhi (Finals MVP)

2014 Spurs:
Duncan (HOF)
Manu (HOF)
Parker (HOF)
Kawhi (Finals MVP)

2015 and 2016 Warriors:
Curry (MVP)
Klay (All-star)
Green (All-Star)
Iggy (All-Star)

2017 + 2018 Warriors:
Curry (MVP)
KD (MVP)
Klay (All-star)
Green (All-Star)
Iggy (All-Star)


And he played ON 5 super teams....ugh...this is exhausting lol.
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