NBA executives reportedly think the Lakers will try to trade for Chris Paul

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Re: NBA executives reportedly think the Lakers will try to trade for Chris Paul 

Post#41 » by zimpy27 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:07 pm

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Lakers wouldn't be hard-capped in this situation fwiw.


Really? Why not?


Hard cap is triggered by using the full non-taxpayer MLE or taking a player back in S&T neither of which happened here.


Man that sounds tricky.

KCP is signed to 18m, Green is at 15m.
Both are traded from Lakers, one to Hawks and one to OKC
Lakers have therefore cleared 33m and can take in CP3

Are you sure that isn't triggering a hard cap?
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Re: NBA executives reportedly think the Lakers will try to trade for Chris Paul 

Post#42 » by Slava » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:09 pm

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Slava wrote:There's no place to fill the roster with that kind of salary added to two max players who are already there. Only way Paul comes to LA is with a significant buyout or in free agency.



I think there is a very easy path that doesn't cost the Lakers all their depth. Hawks have interest in KCP as they are desperate for more veteran wing help. A S&T with only the 1st year gtd(or maybe even 2) for a big number to the Hawks with the Lakers sending the Hawks a couple 2nds for making it a S&T to help the Lakers rather than just signing him outright and then Danny Green going to the Thunder. Thunder then send back cheap Nader along with Paul. Heck the Hawks would probably take Green too if OKC doesn't want him.

It's really easy and KCP being a Rich Paul client makes it easier.

Now this sucks as a fan of a team in the West because now nobody's challenging the Lakers, but the machinations are trivial.

I wasn’t arguing the machinations though, rather the flexibility of team building around those three max contracts. Lakers have other holes to fill like wing depth and they can’t just surround those three with second round picks like its Miami big three.
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Re: NBA executives reportedly think the Lakers will try to trade for Chris Paul 

Post#43 » by PKABOOICU » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:11 pm

All business transactions have under the table money thrown around. If Jeanie Buss really wants CP3 to be a Laker, CP3 will agree to a buyout and Jeanie will throw some money under the table to get him in LA.
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Re: NBA executives reportedly think the Lakers will try to trade for Chris Paul 

Post#44 » by zimpy27 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:17 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:
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Really? Why not?


Hard cap is triggered by using the full non-taxpayer MLE or taking a player back in S&T neither of which happened here.


It's also triggered by using the BAE

You can pretty much bet the Lakers will be using the BAE and NTMLE during the off-season.

Probably to retain Dwight, Kieff and Rondo

If Lakers trade KCP, Green, McGee, Cook, Pick 28 for CP3. Sign Boogie for 3m. Sign Howard vet min. Sign Josh Jackson min.
Then Lakers will go into tax, meaning they use Tax payer MLE for Markieff. End up with a lineup of:

CP3, Caruso, LeBron, AD, Howard
Bradley, Jackson, Kuzma, Markieff, Cousins

And this still wouldn't push them into the Apron.
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Re: NBA executives reportedly think the Lakers will try to trade for Chris Paul 

Post#45 » by Dr Aki » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:20 pm

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Dr Aki wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
Hard cap is triggered by using the full non-taxpayer MLE or taking a player back in S&T neither of which happened here.


It's also triggered by using the BAE

You can pretty much bet the Lakers will be using the BAE and NTMLE during the off-season.

Probably to retain Dwight, Kieff and Rondo

If Lakers trade KCP, Green, McGee, Cook, Pick 28 for CP3. Sign Boogie for 3m. Sign Howard vet min. Sign Josh Jackson min.
Then Lakers will go into tax, meaning they use Tax payer MLE for Markieff. End up with a lineup of:

CP3, Caruso, LeBron, AD, Howard
Bradley, Jackson, Kuzma, Markieff, Cousins

And this still wouldn't push them into the Apron.


Would still prefer having Green and KCP over CP3
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Re: NBA executives reportedly think the Lakers will try to trade for Chris Paul 

Post#46 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:24 pm

Dr Aki wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Dr Aki wrote:
It's also triggered by using the BAE

You can pretty much bet the Lakers will be using the BAE and NTMLE during the off-season.

Probably to retain Dwight, Kieff and Rondo

If Lakers trade KCP, Green, McGee, Cook, Pick 28 for CP3. Sign Boogie for 3m. Sign Howard vet min. Sign Josh Jackson min.
Then Lakers will go into tax, meaning they use Tax payer MLE for Markieff. End up with a lineup of:

CP3, Caruso, LeBron, AD, Howard
Bradley, Jackson, Kuzma, Markieff, Cousins

And this still wouldn't push them into the Apron.


Would still prefer having Green and KCP over CP3


KCP was surprisingly good for the Lakers in the playoffs but cmon now.
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Re: NBA executives reportedly think the Lakers will try to trade for Chris Paul 

Post#47 » by zimpy27 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:27 pm

Dr Aki wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Dr Aki wrote:
It's also triggered by using the BAE

You can pretty much bet the Lakers will be using the BAE and NTMLE during the off-season.

Probably to retain Dwight, Kieff and Rondo

If Lakers trade KCP, Green, McGee, Cook, Pick 28 for CP3. Sign Boogie for 3m. Sign Howard vet min. Sign Josh Jackson min.
Then Lakers will go into tax, meaning they use Tax payer MLE for Markieff. End up with a lineup of:

CP3, Caruso, LeBron, AD, Howard
Bradley, Jackson, Kuzma, Markieff, Cousins

And this still wouldn't push them into the Apron.

Would still prefer having Green and KCP over CP3

I kind of only think this deal happens if Rondo goes somewhere else.

Playoff Rondo, KCP, Green vs CP3
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Re: NBA executives reportedly think the Lakers will try to trade for Chris Paul 

Post#48 » by LastNameEver » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:31 pm

cant see that team not winning if they acquire him and keep Rondo

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Re: NBA executives reportedly think the Lakers will try to trade for Chris Paul 

Post#49 » by mademan » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:43 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Dr Aki wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:If Lakers trade KCP, Green, McGee, Cook, Pick 28 for CP3. Sign Boogie for 3m. Sign Howard vet min. Sign Josh Jackson min.
Then Lakers will go into tax, meaning they use Tax payer MLE for Markieff. End up with a lineup of:

CP3, Caruso, LeBron, AD, Howard
Bradley, Jackson, Kuzma, Markieff, Cousins

And this still wouldn't push them into the Apron.


Would still prefer having Green and KCP over CP3


KCP was surprisingly good for the Lakers in the playoffs but cmon now.


For real. Those guys can be replaced. Stars who are as portable and great all around like Paul are not*


*Tho i very much understand the injury risk.
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Re: NBA executives reportedly think the Lakers will try to trade for Chris Paul 

Post#50 » by Dr Aki » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:46 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Dr Aki wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:If Lakers trade KCP, Green, McGee, Cook, Pick 28 for CP3. Sign Boogie for 3m. Sign Howard vet min. Sign Josh Jackson min.
Then Lakers will go into tax, meaning they use Tax payer MLE for Markieff. End up with a lineup of:

CP3, Caruso, LeBron, AD, Howard
Bradley, Jackson, Kuzma, Markieff, Cousins

And this still wouldn't push them into the Apron.


Would still prefer having Green and KCP over CP3


KCP was surprisingly good for the Lakers in the playoffs but cmon now.


Nope

Got all the leadership and non-Lebron ball handling we need already

Can't afford to lose any 3&D wings
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Re: NBA executives reportedly think the Lakers will try to trade for Chris Paul 

Post#51 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:49 pm

Dr Aki wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
Dr Aki wrote:
Would still prefer having Green and KCP over CP3


KCP was surprisingly good for the Lakers in the playoffs but cmon now.


Nope

Got all the leadership and non-Lebron ball handling we need already

Can't afford to lose any 3&D wings



Paul is a better 3&D wing than either of them and you get the little added bonus of him being the best PG of a generation as gravy.

I mean fit matters a little bit, but when you can turn 2 JAG's into a world-class player you obviously do that 100 out of 100 times.
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Re: NBA executives reportedly think the Lakers will try to trade for Chris Paul 

Post#52 » by Dr Aki » Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:53 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Dr Aki wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
KCP was surprisingly good for the Lakers in the playoffs but cmon now.


Nope

Got all the leadership and non-Lebron ball handling we need already

Can't afford to lose any 3&D wings



Paul is a better 3&D wing than either of them and you get the little added bonus of him being the best PG of a generation as gravy.

I mean fit matters a little bit, but when you can turn 2 JAG's into a world-class player you obviously do that 100 out of 100 times.


No he isn't, he's barely 6 ft tall, only capable of defending other PGs and isn't as good a 3pt shooter as either Green or KCP

He's also no longer world class. I'm not sucking up 40+ million dollars in a guy unless he's a top 5 player
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Post#53 » by mademan » Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:00 pm

Dr Aki wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
Dr Aki wrote:
Nope

Got all the leadership and non-Lebron ball handling we need already

Can't afford to lose any 3&D wings



Paul is a better 3&D wing than either of them and you get the little added bonus of him being the best PG of a generation as gravy.

I mean fit matters a little bit, but when you can turn 2 JAG's into a world-class player you obviously do that 100 out of 100 times.


No he isn't, he's barely 6 ft tall, only capable of defending other PGs and isn't as good a 3pt shooter as either Green or KCP

He's also no longer world class. I'm not sucking up 40+ million dollars in a guy unless he's a top 5 player


So you wouldnt take CP3 and like Wes Matthews at the minimum over KCP/Green?
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Re: NBA executives reportedly think the Lakers will try to trade for Chris Paul 

Post#54 » by Dr Aki » Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:01 pm

mademan wrote:
Dr Aki wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:

Paul is a better 3&D wing than either of them and you get the little added bonus of him being the best PG of a generation as gravy.

I mean fit matters a little bit, but when you can turn 2 JAG's into a world-class player you obviously do that 100 out of 100 times.


No he isn't, he's barely 6 ft tall, only capable of defending other PGs and isn't as good a 3pt shooter as either Green or KCP

He's also no longer world class. I'm not sucking up 40+ million dollars in a guy unless he's a top 5 player


So you wouldnt take CP3 and like Wes Matthews at the minimum over KCP/Green?


Hell no. Not without an unprotected FRP for each year of Paul's contract
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Post#55 » by mademan » Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:08 pm

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No he isn't, he's barely 6 ft tall, only capable of defending other PGs and isn't as good a 3pt shooter as either Green or KCP

He's also no longer world class. I'm not sucking up 40+ million dollars in a guy unless he's a top 5 player


So you wouldnt take CP3 and like Wes Matthews at the minimum over KCP/Green?


Hell no. Not without an unprotected FRP for each year of Paul's contract


The way you wrote it made it sound like you think it's a worse on court team. You dont actually think that right?

Lakers are already over the cap the following season. And with the cap crunch and Lebron/AD's cap hold, they might not have more than 20 mill in cap in 2021. If you can get a star that can increase your title hopes for 2021, you 100% go for it.
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Post#56 » by Dr Aki » Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:16 pm

mademan wrote:
Dr Aki wrote:
mademan wrote:
So you wouldnt take CP3 and like Wes Matthews at the minimum over KCP/Green?


Hell no. Not without an unprotected FRP for each year of Paul's contract


The way you wrote it made it sound like you think it's a worse on court team. You dont actually think that right?

Lakers are already over the cap the following season. And with the cap crunch and Lebron/AD's cap hold, they might not have more than 20 mill in cap in 2021. If you can get a star that can increase your title hopes for 2021, you 100% go for it.


I do think that.

Paul does not fit the Lakers' big, athletic, defensive philosophy. The Lakers need to be stocking as many 3&D wings into the roster, not trading them away for albatross contracts that have limited value in a locker room that already has sufficient leadership.
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Post#57 » by zimpy27 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:26 pm

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mademan wrote:
Dr Aki wrote:
Hell no. Not without an unprotected FRP for each year of Paul's contract


The way you wrote it made it sound like you think it's a worse on court team. You dont actually think that right?

Lakers are already over the cap the following season. And with the cap crunch and Lebron/AD's cap hold, they might not have more than 20 mill in cap in 2021. If you can get a star that can increase your title hopes for 2021, you 100% go for it.


I do think that.

Paul does not fit the Lakers' big, athletic, defensive philosophy. The Lakers need to be stocking as many 3&D wings into the roster, not trading them away for albatross contracts that have limited value in a locker room that already has sufficient leadership.


So who are these big athletic wings you want to add? Is Danny Green one of these?
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Post#58 » by Dr Aki » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:38 pm

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The way you wrote it made it sound like you think it's a worse on court team. You dont actually think that right?

Lakers are already over the cap the following season. And with the cap crunch and Lebron/AD's cap hold, they might not have more than 20 mill in cap in 2021. If you can get a star that can increase your title hopes for 2021, you 100% go for it.


I do think that.

Paul does not fit the Lakers' big, athletic, defensive philosophy. The Lakers need to be stocking as many 3&D wings into the roster, not trading them away for albatross contracts that have limited value in a locker room that already has sufficient leadership.


So who are these big athletic wings you want to add? Is Danny Green one of these?


Yes, he's big, he might not be as athletic as he used to be, but he's still mobile and still considered a 3&D wing.

We don't have enough of them, and I'd only trade them (KCP, Kuzma included) for upgrades in these roles.
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Re: NBA executives reportedly think the Lakers will try to trade for Chris Paul 

Post#59 » by Lalouie » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:52 pm

are these nba exec polls ever correct?

has lebron and cp3 ever gone out of their way to team up with each other?
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Post#60 » by Jagic Mohnson » Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:00 pm

Terrible. Lakers gonna make the same mistake of letting clutch Horry and Fisher go for Payton and Karl Malone. If Lakers lose Dwight, KCP, Kuzma, and Danny Green it isnt worth it for CP3.

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