NoZoLakers wrote:whats worse Tor picking Bargani 1st and giving him the big ext or Nyk giving up a 1st for him already seeing how he didn't already work out in Tor?
Knicks giving up a 1st for him, even when Toronto was gonna amnesty him.
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NoZoLakers wrote:whats worse Tor picking Bargani 1st and giving him the big ext or Nyk giving up a 1st for him already seeing how he didn't already work out in Tor?
Danny1616 wrote:NoZoLakers wrote:Vince Carter: D. Jordan is nets 3rd big star....these retired guys are on something
Biggest misconception from fans is that somehow former NBA players must be smart guys that know everything about basketball. We tend to romanticize players once they retire and act like they are much better and more knowledgeable then they actually are.
I was perplexed when Arenas started a podcast a year ago and people were tuning in acting like Arenas is some basketball savant who knows everything when Arenas is a certified lunatic. I was even seeing comments on his videos that if Arenas played today he would be better than Curry.
News flash: Some NBA players are pretty stupid and don't that much about true basketball analysis, scouting, player development etc.
Pierce is an all-time great but we've seen him make some of the most stupid hot takes in television history.
RaptorsLife on Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:45 pm wrote:nabbs wrote:RaptorsLife wrote:Nurse can’t be our head coach
Why not? Who is your choice?
Def Messina
RaptorsLife on Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:31 pm wrote:Messina sucks
RaptorsLife on Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:45 pm wrote:nabbs wrote:RaptorsLife wrote:Nurse can’t be our head coach
Why not? Who is your choice?
Def Messina
RaptorsLife on Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:31 pm wrote:Messina sucks
sca wrote:Danny1616 wrote:NoZoLakers wrote:Vince Carter: D. Jordan is nets 3rd big star....these retired guys are on something
Biggest misconception from fans is that somehow former NBA players must be smart guys that know everything about basketball. We tend to romanticize players once they retire and act like they are much better and more knowledgeable then they actually are.
I was perplexed when Arenas started a podcast a year ago and people were tuning in acting like Arenas is some basketball savant who knows everything when Arenas is a certified lunatic. I was even seeing comments on his videos that if Arenas played today he would be better than Curry.
News flash: Some NBA players are pretty stupid and don't that much about true basketball analysis, scouting, player development etc.
Pierce is an all-time great but we've seen him make some of the most stupid hot takes in television history.
Gilbert is truly a savant, though. He’s not like PP34 and some of the other recently retired All-NBAers.
homecourtloss wrote:RamonSessions7 wrote:Pharenheit wrote:He's not wrong. There's probably a lot of guys who were known as soft yesteryear that would feast in today's NBA
But he is though, because he said Bargnani
This notion that some nebulous “tougher players” of yesteryear would “feast” in today’s game is nonsense. It’s currently the most difficult to even get a roster spot in the NBA right now than it has ever been because of the available talent pool. Both Bosh and Bargs would of course still be in the NBA and Bosh might be even more effective, but in genral, to be in the NBA, you have competition from every corner of the globe now.
International talent is everywhere and now African talent is being developed as well. 3 of the current top 10 are internationals, 6 out of the top 20. The reigning two time MVP is an international, and a top 3 Candace for MVP next year (Luka) is an international. In ten years, it’s not inconceivable that 20 of the top 50 players will be internationals.
Domestic population in the U.S. is higher that further enlarged the talent pool.
DoItALL9 wrote:Top those questioning Bargnani's rebounding and defense. Could be have not played in the style that Brook Lopez does today?
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naabzor wrote:Bargnani was a small forward in Europe and was very thin and agile. Then Toronto selected him, destroyed the only traits that supposedly made him a unicorn and have him playing center. Awful work by the raptors.
jlokine wrote:
Bologna Smasher wrote:naabzor wrote:Bargnani was a small forward in Europe and was very thin and agile. Then Toronto selected him, destroyed the only traits that supposedly made him a unicorn and have him playing center. Awful work by the raptors.
Every topic I see about Bargnani, people seem to forget this or simply don't realize what happened with him. The Raptors did the same thing with Valanciunas. Valanciunas is a lot better than what Bargnani turned into it, but Valanciunas' body and play style was pretty similar to a Joakim Noah type player. Now teams are scared to play him more than 30 minutes a game because of limited mobility and defensive issues.
I think even back then if Bargnani was drafted into a better organization, he would've turned out differently. Same thing would have to happen today as well. If the Raptors back then were the same Raptors organization we see today, I think things would've looked a lot different for Bargnani.
"I do more complicated things than defense and rebound" - Andrea BargnaniDoItALL9 wrote:Top those questioning Bargnani's rebounding and defense. Could he have not played in the style that Brook Lopez does today?
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sca wrote:I think everyone agrees that Bosh would’ve been great for this era. He was already great for the Heatles in the small ball C role.
Rookie / sophomore Bargs was a really enjoyable, and dare I say, a special player. If only he didn’t bulk up to play next to Bosh, he could’ve had a different career.
All the people in this thread that say “Bargs sucks anyway” have to understand that there was a period in his career where he wasn’t the overweight, lazy, injury prone guy that had no motivation to play basketball. Even in that era, he could’ve ended his career with a few all-star appearances if our coaching staff just let him be himself instead of trying to mold him into a typical center.
Then he got fat and couldn’t play like he used to and his body couldn’t hold the extra weight and since he was already a mentally fragile guy, he became lazy and unmotivated. Biggest one to blame is still himself, though. Could’ve lost the extra weight for many summers. He just didn’t.