LibertyKnicks00 wrote:According to reports, every free agent that was linked to the Knicks signed else where. Hayward got a mega deal, which would’ve gone down as historically bad, FVV wasn’t leaving Toronto.
Obviously the case is still unknown on Russell Westbrook, but I don’t think at this point Rose is desperate make the Knicks a pretender.
I’m in the middle. I wanted Hayward, but on a 3/70m deal, and look to make a deal with Utah for Conley for Randle, or just sign a starting PG. To build some kind of winning, positive culture without mortgaging the future.
It’s obviously no one wants to sign here, and it’s understandable. And I think Leon Rose & the Knicks know everyone feels that way, and the modern NBA layers want to play for Brooklyn.
But what I see is Rose not caring, and focusing on the youth right now, and the next wave of upcoming prospects.
Right now we look pathetic, but I respect that Rose isn’t making a fool out of himself like Charlotte is.
I’m sure we’re looking to deal Randle but who wants him. If we can deal Randle for a guy like Mike Conley. The Knicks could at least play some respectable ball under Thibs.
Our lineup looks pathetic but I guess it’s what we got to roll with.
Elfrid Payton — Frank Ntilikina — Dennis Smith, Jr
Alec Burks — Immanuel Quickley
RJ Barrett — Kevin Knox
Obi Toppin — Julius Randle
Mitchell Robinson — Nerlens Noel - Ed Davis
2021- NYK 1st, DAL 1st
2022- NYK 1st
2022- NYK 1st, DAL 1st
**Plus a ton of 2nd round picks
**20m cap space available
Are the Knicks doing the right thing here? Because we won’t be good for another 2-3 years.
Non-Knick fans. Do you trust Leon Rose and their FO knows what he’s doing? Lord knows we haven’t had that in over 20 years.
When I heard they were going after Hayward, it kinda made sense to me. Not sure if I'm on an island there.
My thinking was you overpay for a couple of years of Hayward (say 50-55m over 2 years), and see what you can do in free agency the offseason after next. That gives Toppin, Robinson and Barrett time to develop with a vet (Hayward) who can take some of the heat, and isn't a ballstopper, or impediment to growth. The risk is that you take yourself out of high lottery selections, if Hayward stays healthy. But that makes you a more attractive free agent destination, and hopefully means Barrett, Toppin and Robinson (or at least 2 of them) have become fully fledged NBA players.
In the meantime, you bide your time on guys like Randle, and move him when it makes sense, but you don't need to rush, and you're not competing in a more confusing, and more crowded free agent space next season.
Then Hayward went and got himself 4 years at $30m per. So my idea of 'overpaying' him for a couple really was stillborn.
Take that away, and I think it's been a solid enough offseason for a new front office. I don't rate it highly, but they haven't hurt themselves (which is faint praise, but still...). They really wanted Toppin, so it really comes down to whether they are right on that, or if they're on a path to being a treadmill team. And their dancing around at the back end of the first round actually was pretty clever. I haven't seen enough of Quickley to have a strong opinion, but I'm not convinced he's the NY PG of the future. But...again...if he clicks and becomes at least a credible distributor with 3 and D chops, I kinda get it.
So...I'd grade them about a C+, with the real grade being highly dependent on those 2 draft picks, and how Thibs goes developing them (as well as Barrett and Robinson). As well as how they clear out the junk in the roster without causing issues or roadblock development.
