Rookie of The Year Thread

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Who are your top 3?

Anthony
6
2%
Ball
103
35%
Bey
13
4%
Edwards
25
9%
Haliburton
73
25%
Okoro
2
1%
Quickley
45
15%
Tate
3
1%
Williams
8
3%
Wiseman
15
5%
 
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Re: Rookie of The Year Thread 

Post#1181 » by Angryfatboy » Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:28 pm





Quickleys past 2 games.
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Post#1182 » by blueNorange » Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:32 pm

he plays so much like chauncey billups.

especially with the constant change of pace to his game to compensate his lack of explosiveness.
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Re: Rookie of The Year Thread 

Post#1183 » by Goudelock » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:39 am

There's no way Anthony Edwards is 6'5. He looks like he's a solid two or three inches taller than KCP.

Also, what a crazy athlete. That kid can elevate so effortlessly off the dribble.
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Post#1184 » by Rubio9Guy » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:08 am

Goudelock wrote:There's no way Anthony Edwards is 6'5. He looks like he's a solid two or three inches taller than KCP.

Also, what a crazy athlete. That kid can elevate so effortlessly off the dribble.
He's going to be really good. Really, really good.

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Post#1185 » by BigDan245 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:22 am

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Post#1186 » by theGreatRC » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:29 am

Goudelock wrote:There's no way Anthony Edwards is 6'5. He looks like he's a solid two or three inches taller than KCP.

Also, what a crazy athlete. That kid can elevate so effortlessly off the dribble.


Might be the hair, but he did look significantly bigger than KCP.

He had a nice handle too and he’s super slippery gettint into the paint.

He is gonna be just fine, he’s really starting to come into his own
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Post#1187 » by MotownMadness » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:41 am

This is why Anthony Edwards was the #1 pick. I watched him alot in college and people who just looked at his stats probably just assumed hes consistently mediocre.

Really he just goes off like a star one night and can shoot you out of the game the next causing those numbers. When he does go off though it can be a thing of beauty.

All about consistency with him cause he is not afraid of high volume.
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Re: Rookie of The Year Thread 

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Post#1190 » by OrlChamps2030 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:46 pm

Edwards is going to be really good. He plays so aggressively he will have some growing pains at times shooting efficiency wise, but he clearly has the “it” factor.
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Post#1191 » by City of Trees » Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:50 pm

Anthony Edwards haters will be deleting their takes soon
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Post#1192 » by Rubio9Guy » Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:53 pm

City of Trees wrote:Anthony Edwards haters will be deleting their takes soon
A week ago today, Duncan and Hollinger both said we'd be lucky to get "Wiggins vibes" from Edwards.

Such a bad take then and even moreso now. Ant is going to be great

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Re: Rookie of The Year Thread 

Post#1193 » by Zenzibar » Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:50 pm

Compiled by our very own SelbyCobra » Yesterday 8:28 pm

After looking a little deeper into his numbers last night, I thought it would be helpful to have a place where we could see how our boy is trending throughout his rookie season. This kid has really been something so far to the eye test, but the thing that has me unbelievably hyped is how much advanced metrics absolutely love what he's doing. The deeper-dive stats historically destroy rookies, and especially rookie guards, but Immanuel's advanced metrics are even better than his impressive traditional numbers at this point.

Obviously things can change, but we're now 30 games into the season and there are a bunch of statistical lights flashing above IQ right now - lights that normally aren't associated with anything but the best combo guard rookies. And certainly not 25th overall picks in the draft.

Post any Quickley statistical observations in here as the season progresses, and to get it started here's some of what he's done through last night's (2/15) games:

3rd in raw PPG (12.5) for rookies, behind LaMelo (14.6) and Edwards (14.3), despite those two logging 50% more minutes. If we adjust for playing time, we find Quick is...
1st in scoring per36 (23.3). In fact, that puts IQ at 25th overall amongst all qualified players in the entire NBA, and ahead of guys like Sexton, Harden, Middleton, Hayward, and Randle.
1st amongst all rookies in NBA.com's all-encompassing PIE (Player Impact Estimate), at 12.7. Lamelo (12.4) and Haliburton (11.4) are 2nd and 3rd. When removing the rookie filter, Quickley's 12.7 PIE puts him 66th in the NBA, and higher than Brogdon, Ayton, Hayward, Jrue, D. Mitchell, Fox, VanVleet, and Booker.
2nd amongst all rookies in Win Shares with 1.7, fractionally ahead Haliburton's own 1.7. He trails only LaMelo (1.8) despite WS being a counting stat and Ball (as well as Haliburton) playing 50% more minutes than him. In fact, if we convert WS to a rate stat to adjust for playing time, IQ is...
1st amongst all rookies who have played at least 100 minutes in WS/48, at .164. This takes raw Win Shares and adjusts for playing time. Xavier TIllman (.142) and Isaiah Stewart (.122) are 2nd and 3rd. Haliburton (.114) and Ball (.113) drop to 4th and 5th. Amongst all NBA players IQ's .164 ties him with Julius, and places him above Ben Simmons, Trae, Jaylen Brown, SGA, LaVine, Beal, and Mitchell.
2nd amongst all rookies in Offensive Rating (111.4) behind only Desmond Bane's 112.3. In contrast to Bane, though, he is...
2nd amongst all rookies in Unassisted FG% (67.0% of his FGM were unassisted), which is a strong indication that he can create his own shot. He trails only Cole Anthony's 70.3%. LaMelo is at 52.6%, and Haliburton is 37.8%. Bane ranks dead last at 12.0% - a pure catch and shoot guy.
2nd amongst all rookies in Net Rating (5.5) which is the difference between a player's offensive rating and his defensive rating. Quickley trails only Jaden McDaniels' 5.9. To put this in perspective, LaMelo is currently posting a -0.8, and Haliburton is at a -5.5. Removing the rookie filter, IQ's 5.5 puts him ahead of Tatum, Draymond, Butler, CP3, Booker, Lillard, and Trae.
1st in FTA (73) amongst all rookies, despite play hundreds of minutes less than others at the top of the list.
3rd in FTr (.299, which is the ratio of FTA to FGA) amongst all rookies, behind only two bigs, Precious and Wiseman. He's lightyears ahead of the other rookie guards. League-wide, his .299 FTr places him just ahead of Booker, Lou, Westbrook, Hayward, Lavine, and Steph.
2nd in Turnover Ratio (6.7%) amongst rookies, behind only Tyrese Maxey (5.8%).
3rd in Assist Rate (23.9%) amongst rookies, behind LaMelo (32.4%) and Haliburton (25.2%).
2nd in Asst/TO ratio (2.83) amongst rookies, behind only Haliburton (3.20)
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Re: Rookie of The Year Thread 

Post#1194 » by blueNorange » Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:56 pm

it rubbed people the wrong way when antman said he didn't like watching basketball and prefers football.

because if you hate watching it then how can you ever improve if you never watch film, how do you get better if you can't physically see what you're doing wrong?

hopefully, his mindset changed because right now he's coasting by his gifted talent alone and that can only get you so far.
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Re: Rookie of The Year Thread 

Post#1195 » by khufure » Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:59 pm

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City of Trees wrote:Anthony Edwards haters will be deleting their takes soon
A week ago today, Duncan and Hollinger both said we'd be lucky to get "Wiggins vibes" from Edwards.

Such a bad take then and even moreso now. Ant is going to be great

I dunno, you gotta take it slow with NBA players especially guards who have to dribble. Talent is important, but that's not the end all. A one year take is not enough. With everyone out of college 1 year in you need 4-5 years to get a real feel for a player.

I saw Anthony Edwards first few highlights and thought "man this kid's got talent, why isn't he starting and getting more minutes?". Now he's getting mid-30s minutes, so all good on that front. But his off-season comment (https://clutchpoints.com/nba-draft-news-controversial-anthony-edwards-quote-about-love-for-basketball-draws-viral-reactions/) make me question if he gonna have a work ethic. A guard typically needs multiple 'took a leap' off seasons to go from college standout to NBA all-star.
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Re: Rookie of The Year Thread 

Post#1196 » by khufure » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:01 pm

blueNorange wrote:it rubbed people the wrong way when antman said he didn't like watching basketball and prefers football.

because if you hate watching it then how can you ever improve if you never watch film, how do you get better if you can't physically see what you're doing wrong?

hopefully, his mindset changed because right now he's coasting by his gifted talent alone and that can only get you so far.

Exactly what I was just quoting my dude. You beat me to the punch cause I had to find a link :)

But yeah hopefully not Wiggins part 2 I hope he works out in MIN.
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Post#1197 » by Klomp » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:27 pm

That interview has been taken way too far out of context. If you'd actually follow the team closely you'd see it was just a smear piece and not driven from reality.

Truth is, if you love sports, I think that transition is a lot easier from one sport to another than if you don't care for sports at all and are trying to get into one. Wiggins always seemed like he didn't care about sports.
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Post#1198 » by jpatrick » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:41 pm

Ant has tools. The question is will he grind all offseason in a maniacal way to improve. He still has to improve dramatically for his ball dominant/stopping style to be efficient and translate into wins. We’ll see. As a MN fan, I preferred Ball predraft and now but Edwards has been better since being inserted into the starting lineup than I thought he would be.
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Post#1199 » by 6ers83 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:59 pm

Melo no doubt

I put no stock in Ant he’s putting up phony stats on the worst team in the league. If he was on the top 10 team he’d be averaging five or six points a game. He’s just a guy.
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