Re: Rookie of The Year Thread
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:46 am
Quickley with a big 2nd quarter explosion. 17 points on 9 shots.
Also did his best Steph impersonation with this step back 3
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Quentin wrote:Edwards in April:
22.5 on 44.3/37.9/83.3, 4.5R, 3.5A, 1.5St, .4Bl
Pretty damn good for the 19yo.
Baseline81 wrote:It's not just April (11 games). Look at his post all-star (23 games) split:Quentin wrote:Edwards in April:
22.5 on 44.3/37.9/83.3, 4.5R, 3.5A, 1.5St, .4Bl
Pretty damn good for the 19yo.
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/4594268/anthony-edwards But you'll continue to see articles, such as the recent one by The Ringer, stating his closest comp is Dion Waiters.
Quentin wrote:Edwards in April:
22.5 on 44.3/37.9/83.3, 4.5R, 3.5A, 1.5St, .4Bl
Pretty damn good for the 19yo.
HotelVitale wrote:Baseline81 wrote:It's not just April (11 games). Look at his post all-star (23 games) split:Quentin wrote:Edwards in April:
22.5 on 44.3/37.9/83.3, 4.5R, 3.5A, 1.5St, .4Bl
Pretty damn good for the 19yo.
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/4594268/anthony-edwards But you'll continue to see articles, such as the recent one by The Ringer, stating his closest comp is Dion Waiters.
Eh, I've been a steady Ant supporter but Wolves fans gotta stop finding ways to make yourself the victims. The article you're citing is literally making strict statistical comps and finds Waiters to be one of the closest ones to him based on his overall stat output. Edwards shot the ball poorly for many months so he falls into a similar category as Waiters overall. No harm no foul there. They actually have a full paragraph at the top that screams this: "As always, an important caveat is that every player is different, so these comps represent possible futures rather than definitive outcomes. For instance, if we plug LeBron James’s rookie season into the model, his top comps include Russell Westbrook on the one hand—and Tyreke Evans and Michael Carter-Williams (both fellow Rookie of the Year winners) on the other."
Also it's not fair to insist that the recent Ant is the 'real' one and the one from before the AS break is fake, or that he's figured it out and is on track now and forever. Obviously a Wolves fan would hope that's the case but there have been so many annoying exchanges over the years about that on these boards that I'm hoping we can learn from it. Last year's argument about Cam Reddish comes to mind, there were dozens of posts about how his 2nd half was the real story on Cam--only for him to be even worse at shooting this year than the first half of his rook year.
Grits n Gravy wrote:Let's say Ball comes back for last 10 games and plays decent - Is 20(more than 1/4 of season) games less than Edwards enough to win rookie of the year? Ant has quietly been playing pretty well. Given Ball was playing on a .500 team and Ant on a bottom 2 team, that obviously plays a factor - Thoughts?
Grits n Gravy wrote:Let's say Ball comes back for last 10 games and plays decent - Is 20(more than 1/4 of season) games less than Edwards enough to win rookie of the year? Ant has quietly been playing pretty well. Given Ball was playing on a .500 team and Ant on a bottom 2 team, that obviously plays a factor - Thoughts?
zimpy27 wrote:Quentin wrote:Edwards in April:
22.5 on 44.3/37.9/83.3, 4.5R, 3.5A, 1.5St, .4Bl
Pretty damn good for the 19yo.
Since the all-star break (last 23 games):
23.6 PPG, 5 RPG, 3 APG, 1.6 SPG and TS% 0.55
Those are close to sophomore Wade numbers while being 4 years younger, the same numbers as Mitchell last season while also being 4 years younger.
DroseReturnChi wrote:Grits n Gravy wrote:Let's say Ball comes back for last 10 games and plays decent - Is 20(more than 1/4 of season) games less than Edwards enough to win rookie of the year? Ant has quietly been playing pretty well. Given Ball was playing on a .500 team and Ant on a bottom 2 team, that obviously plays a factor - Thoughts?
no bc antman efficiency is horrible. if antman wins over hali/ball roy will not be taken seriously like coy.
if every rookie was gifted 20 shots, they would avg at least 20 points otherwise you dont belong.
DroseReturnChi wrote:zimpy27 wrote:Quentin wrote:Edwards in April:
22.5 on 44.3/37.9/83.3, 4.5R, 3.5A, 1.5St, .4Bl
Pretty damn good for the 19yo.
Since the all-star break (last 23 games):
23.6 PPG, 5 RPG, 3 APG, 1.6 SPG and TS% 0.55
Those are close to sophomore Wade numbers while being 4 years younger, the same numbers as Mitchell last season while also being 4 years younger.
if he can maintain until end of season, its is quite impressive he can change his career projection from bust to mitchell.
but im highly doubtful like 90% odds against. i think this is his streaky great month or 2 and not a 82 game thing.
plenty of rookies like coby white avged 25/4/4 on 40% deep post all star and yet i knew he was a bust.
FinnTheHuman wrote:DroseReturnChi wrote:zimpy27 wrote:
Since the all-star break (last 23 games):
23.6 PPG, 5 RPG, 3 APG, 1.6 SPG and TS% 0.55
Those are close to sophomore Wade numbers while being 4 years younger, the same numbers as Mitchell last season while also being 4 years younger.
if he can maintain until end of season, its is quite impressive he can change his career projection from bust to mitchell.
but im highly doubtful like 90% odds against. i think this is his streaky great month or 2 and not a 82 game thing.
plenty of rookies like coby white avged 25/4/4 on 40% deep post all star and yet i knew he was a bust.
You sound like you haven't watched Edwards. Coby is an undersized combo guard, Edwards is probably the most athletic guy in the league after Zion and Giannis, maybe Gobert depending on how you define athleticism. Probably the best 1st step in the league, he gets to the rim at will, which is the best predictor of stardom. He's also got high IQ on the offensive end. There is zero reason to believe Edwards is not gonna be at least a top 30 guy in the league, let alone a bust. I know it hurts that your boy PWill is struggling, but there's no reason to hate on his competition like this.
jpatrick wrote:FinnTheHuman wrote:DroseReturnChi wrote:
if he can maintain until end of season, its is quite impressive he can change his career projection from bust to mitchell.
but im highly doubtful like 90% odds against. i think this is his streaky great month or 2 and not a 82 game thing.
plenty of rookies like coby white avged 25/4/4 on 40% deep post all star and yet i knew he was a bust.
You sound like you haven't watched Edwards. Coby is an undersized combo guard, Edwards is probably the most athletic guy in the league after Zion and Giannis, maybe Gobert depending on how you define athleticism. Probably the best 1st step in the league, he gets to the rim at will, which is the best predictor of stardom. He's also got high IQ on the offensive end. There is zero reason to believe Edwards is not gonna be at least a top 30 guy in the league, let alone a bust. I know it hurts that your boy PWill is struggling, but there's no reason to hate on his competition like this.
Ant is not Coby White. He has shown such flashes, there is no doubt he’ll be a scorer in this league and at least on decent efficiency at some point. The question is more will that lead to winning. Will he figure out how to maximize other players vs going one on one too much? His defensive and rebounding (boxing his man out) are simply atrocious; and for some reason, he refuses to get back on defense. He’s only 19 so a lot of reasons to think he’ll improve. I think he’s the clear cut #2 player in this draft class.
All that said, LaMelo has been far more impactful this season. To me, even if he didn’t come back, he’s the ROY. What he did as a 19 year old PG is pretty historic.
TheZachAttack wrote:Has Lamelo made a big impact though? The Hornets immediately post-Lamelo injury went 7-3 (and are in total 8-8) during the games that Lamelo has missed since his injury. So, the Hornets with Lamelo on the floor are 21-22 and with him out are essentially the same level of team.
Obviously Lamelo was really good, but is he really a difference maker yet? He doesn't seem to raise the overall level of play of Charlotte. It seems like he's a good rookie, but on a surprisingly good team for a team that picked #3 overall last year.
Klomp wrote:TheZachAttack wrote:Has Lamelo made a big impact though? The Hornets immediately post-Lamelo injury went 7-3 (and are in total 8-8) during the games that Lamelo has missed since his injury. So, the Hornets with Lamelo on the floor are 21-22 and with him out are essentially the same level of team.
Obviously Lamelo was really good, but is he really a difference maker yet? He doesn't seem to raise the overall level of play of Charlotte. It seems like he's a good rookie, but on a surprisingly good team for a team that picked #3 overall last year.
Conversely, the same could be said of Edwards. He's been a constant on the roster. It hasn't been until other guys return or the coaching change that we've seen overall play elevated.