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Re: Haberstroh says "Good luck getting players/coaches fully on board with [vaccines]" 

Post#101 » by HollowEarth » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:33 am

Asianiac_24 wrote:
Fadeaway_Jumper wrote:Crazy that individuals on are on board with forcing perfectly healthy people to take an experimental vaccine that was just made a few months ago, when most vaccines take almost a decade at the minimum at least to develop. On top of that the government provides legal immunity to vaccine companies, so you can’t sue if something goes wrong.

Kilroy posts real government info stats on the Vaccine and you have people attacking him because it’s “Dangerous”

If you’re scared or at risk, you take the vaccine. Leave people to make their own decisions.


Normal vaccines take much longer, but this one is different. The economic and social impact is like no other. Magnitudes of more funding was available for this vaccine. It was not rushed, no company would risk releasing a vaccine that could kill people knowing that this vaccine is going to be distributed to millions, if not billions of people. The company would die if that happens.
Just adding a source that supports this:
The fastest any vaccine had previously been developed, from viral sampling to approval, was four years, for mumps in the 1960s. [ . . . ]

But by the start of December, the developers of several vaccines had announced excellent results in large trials, with more showing promise. And on 2 December, a vaccine made by drug giant Pfizer with German biotech firm BioNTech, became the first fully-tested immunization to be approved for emergency use.

[ . . . ]

The world was able to develop COVID-19 vaccines so quickly because of years of previous research on related viruses and faster ways to manufacture vaccines, enormous funding that allowed firms to run multiple trials in parallel, and regulators moving more quickly than normal.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03626-1
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Post#102 » by ConSarnit » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:34 am

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NotAKnicksFan wrote:I work at Pfizer at the NYC Headquarters, i actually signed up realgm with my pfizer email. I think the Pfizer Vaccine is very safe. Im not a scientist, i work in the digital field. but there will always be fear articles written about there vaccine, and the reason the vaccine was developed quicker the other vaccine is because of the revolutionary technology, MRNA. times change and science gets better, fyi there have been over 1 million people vaccinated with Pfizer/Biontechs vaccine, between UK/Europe and USA. much more than 1 million actually and plus the trial with over 40,000 people half which were placebo. and the death rate is low, i know someone here posted 12 deaths. lets just say thats true, 12 deaths out of over 1 million people vaccinated. thats bad? people literally die of everything as his been pointed out on here.



Well consider 92% of covid deaths are among the age group of 55 or older.

That means only 8% of of covid deaths are among those younger than 55 years old.

In the us we are currently only vaccinating “front line/ essential workers”. How old would you guess these people are? I’d wager 90% of the people we have vaccinated so far are younger than 55 years old.

So we’re vaccinating young/healthy people for a virus that doesn’t really affect young and healthy people. So of course it seems safe, these people are young and healthy with strong immune systems anyways.

How many times have you heard from your social circle “I’m not worried about getting covid myself, I just don’t want to spread it to XYZ and be responsible for their death...”

So hard to draw much of a conclusion from the vaccine so far.


The US has vaccinated over 10,000,000 people so far. 1,000,000+ in LTC settings (staff and patients). So I'd imagine at least hundreds of thousands of people aged 60+ have been vaccinated. So far 10 deaths (with no proven causation) have been reported.

Let's say at bare minimum 100,000 60+ year olds have been vaccinated:

fatality rate for 65 year old with COVID: 1.4%
fatality rate from COVID vaccine (possibly): 0.01%

As a 65 year old you're 140x more likely to die from COVID than the vaccine (based on the numbers so far). Seems like the risk might be worth it.
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Re: Haberstroh says "Good luck getting players/coaches fully on board with [vaccines]" 

Post#103 » by Johnny Bball » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:36 am

art_tatum wrote:
Da ThRONe wrote:
art_tatum wrote:Your body reacts to antigens all the time, and create antibodies for foreign things. It's pretty much everyday when you were a young kid. All the vaccine is doing is introducing that particular virus (partial or harmless version) so that your body can create a defense for it. Again, your body does this all the time.


That's normally how vaccines work but this vaccines is different. It doesn't actually introduce your body to the virus. It goes into your cells and then changes your cell to recognize the virus.


youre talking about the mRNA vaccine from one of the companies. That tech as been around for a few years. All it does is it brings a partial mrna of the virus into your immune cell so that it can translate it into a protein of the virus. by creating it, the cell recognizes it as an antigen and presents it to other immune cells to create antibodies. Immune cells naturally do these things, especially when it eats and breaks down a foreign protein. The vaccine just makes it more efficient. It doesn't change your DNA. DNA -> RNA ->protein. The mRNA vaccine is just like, here make some of my coded protein so you can create antibodies. And after that's made the mRNA degrades.


That is a far more patient answer than I would have given to “it changes your cells”.


Anyway....Same NBA players that won’t take a vaccine because they don’t know what’s in it, will snort coke when they don’t know what’s in it or if it was carried up some guys prison wallet for a while to get there. Pure lunacy.
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Re: Haberstroh says "Good luck getting players/coaches fully on board with [vaccines]" 

Post#104 » by HollowEarth » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:37 am

art_tatum wrote:
Da ThRONe wrote:
art_tatum wrote:Your body reacts to antigens all the time, and create antibodies for foreign things. It's pretty much everyday when you were a young kid. All the vaccine is doing is introducing that particular virus (partial or harmless version) so that your body can create a defense for it. Again, your body does this all the time.


That's normally how vaccines work but this vaccines is different. It doesn't actually introduce your body to the virus. It goes into your cells and then changes your cell to recognize the virus.


youre talking about the mRNA vaccine from one of the companies. That tech as been around for a few years. All it does is it brings a partial mrna of the virus into your immune cell so that it can translate it into a protein of the virus. by creating it, the cell recognizes it as an antigen and presents it to other immune cells to create antibodies. Immune cells naturally do these things, especially when it eats and breaks down a foreign protein. The vaccine just makes it more efficient. It doesn't change your DNA. DNA -> RNA ->protein. The mRNA vaccine is just like, here make some of my coded protein so you can create antibodies. And after that's made the mRNA degrades.
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mRNA is naturally made by the body, it encodes instructions for your body's cells to make protein. Any mRNA vaccine has the same purpose, to teach and train your body to make an immune response toward a particular pathogen, so if the pathogen gets into your body, your immune system can attack it,” said Riordan.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2021/01/11/covid-19-vaccines-cant-alter-your-dna-heres-why/?sh=70124eff2491
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Re: Haberstroh says "Good luck getting players/coaches fully on board with [vaccines]" 

Post#105 » by HollowEarth » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:41 am

NotAKnicksFan wrote:I work at Pfizer at the NYC Headquarters, i actually signed up realgm with my pfizer email. I think the Pfizer Vaccine is very safe. Im not a scientist, i work in the digital field. but there will always be fear articles written about there vaccine, and the reason the vaccine was developed quicker the other vaccine is because of the revolutionary technology, MRNA. times change and science gets better, fyi there have been over 1 million people vaccinated with Pfizer/Biontechs vaccine, between UK/Europe and USA. much more than 1 million actually and plus the trial with over 40,000 people half which were placebo. and the death rate is low, i know someone here posted 12 deaths. lets just say thats true, 12 deaths out of over 1 million people vaccinated. thats bad? people literally die of everything as his been pointed out on here.
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Six participants did die during the 44,000 person Pfizer vaccine trial, two of whom were given the vaccine while the other four people received a placebo.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-pfizer-health-concerns/fact-check-clarifying-claims-around-pfizer-vaccine-deaths-and-side-effects-idUSKBN28K2R6
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Post#106 » by halifax » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:43 am

BlazersBroncos wrote:
I would think the NBA should really look at the data before promoting anything, especially any kind of medical procedure, where an actual side effect is death.


16,500 people die per year from ibuprofen. Over 30K people die every year from auto crashes. Medical error, primarily during surgery, kills 250K people per year.

Lets not let athletes take pain medication, not let them drive to games and if they suffer a catastrophic injury, dissuade them from medical surgery. Sure, their career will be over, but there is a chance they die during surgery.

Not taking the vaccine is nonsense. Any player who refuses to take it should be disqualified from playing until they do, and should not get paid.


dieing 2 days after taking the vaccine, after experiencing weakness immediately after getting vaccinated, is not a coincidence.
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Post#107 » by halifax » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:48 am

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NotAKnicksFan wrote:I work at Pfizer at the NYC Headquarters, i actually signed up realgm with my pfizer email. I think the Pfizer Vaccine is very safe. Im not a scientist, i work in the digital field. but there will always be fear articles written about there vaccine, and the reason the vaccine was developed quicker the other vaccine is because of the revolutionary technology, MRNA. times change and science gets better, fyi there have been over 1 million people vaccinated with Pfizer/Biontechs vaccine, between UK/Europe and USA. much more than 1 million actually and plus the trial with over 40,000 people half which were placebo. and the death rate is low, i know someone here posted 12 deaths. lets just say thats true, 12 deaths out of over 1 million people vaccinated. thats bad? people literally die of everything as his been pointed out on here.



Well consider 92% of covid deaths are among the age group of 55 or older.

That means only 8% of of covid deaths are among those younger than 55 years old.

In the us we are currently only vaccinating “front line/ essential workers”. How old would you guess these people are? I’d wager 90% of the people we have vaccinated so far are younger than 55 years old.

So we’re vaccinating young/healthy people for a virus that doesn’t really affect young and healthy people. So of course it seems safe, these people are young and healthy with strong immune systems anyways.

How many times have you heard from your social circle “I’m not worried about getting covid myself, I just don’t want to spread it to XYZ and be responsible for their death...”

So hard to draw much of a conclusion from the vaccine so far.


The US has vaccinated over 10,000,000 people so far. 1,000,000+ in LTC settings (staff and patients). So I'd imagine at least hundreds of thousands of people aged 60+ have been vaccinated. So far 10 deaths (with no proven causation) have been reported.

Let's say at bare minimum 100,000 60+ year olds have been vaccinated:

fatality rate for 65 year old with COVID: 1.4%
fatality rate from COVID vaccine (possibly): 0.01%

As a 65 year old you're 140x more likely to die from COVID than the vaccine (based on the numbers so far). Seems like the risk might be worth it.


dieing from the vaccine is not what concerns most people. it's an MRNA vaccine the first MRNA vaccine in history. Image
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Post#108 » by HollowEarth » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:53 am

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NUCKER101 wrote:
Karate Diop wrote:
The reported deaths from COVID are understated because of this very reason... Many individuals who have passed away due to a complication from COVID were not classified as COVID deaths as certain local governments manipulated data to appease their overlord.

(Similarly there have been a number of additional deaths this year resulting from a shortage of medical resources - caused by the influx of COVID cases - which again have largely gone unaccounted for...)

TLDR - The death toll caused by COVID is larger than what is being reported. All science, facts and logic prove this out.


See this is where it gets tricky. I've read reports that people who died from other causes have been mislabeled as "covid victims"

I'll admit I haven't dug deep into this, so I'm just wondering what the deal is here with these conflicting reports.


Tbh nobody knows nothing. The info/rules on covid get made up as the days go by. I'm in the middle ground when it comes to this stuff. I'll wear my mask and follow the protocols but it's hard not to doubt some of things I've heard such as restaurants/bars needing to be closed because of the spread but schools aren't an issue...that doesn't even make sense to me lol.

It's really frustrating. I'm just going through posts in this thread and adding sources and saw you mentioned masks. There have been a lot of studies mask effectiveness now. They showed that wearing a mask:

1. Reduces the chance of an infected person spreading the virus and therefore reduces community spread:
A recent study published in Health Affairs, for example, compared the COVID-19 growth rate before and after mask mandates in 15 states and the District of Columbia. It found that mask mandates led to a slowdown in daily COVID-19 growth rate, which became more apparent over time.

[ . . . ]

Two compelling case reports also suggest that masks can prevent transmission in high-risk scenarios, said Chin-Hong and Rutherford. In one case, a man flew from China to Toronto and subsequently tested positive for COVID-19. He had a dry cough and wore a mask on the flight, and all 25 people closest to him on the flight tested negative for COVID-19. In another case, in late May, two hair stylists in Missouri had close contact with 140 clients while sick with COVID-19. Everyone wore a mask and none of the clients tested positive.
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

2. Has not been proven to reduce the chance of getting the virus on an individual level from others who are not wearing a mask/distancing/etc:
The Danish trial shows that this specific mask recommendation (plus a box of masks) made during the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, with background rates of 2% PCR acquisition, failed to show that mask wearing reduces risk by 50%. In places where there is modest SARS-CoV-2 transmission (like Denmark during these months), there is insufficient evidence to suggest wearing a mask as you go about daily errands will protect you from infection.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/vinay-prasad/89778
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Post#109 » by mastermixer » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:53 am

ConSarnit wrote:
mastermixer wrote:
NotAKnicksFan wrote:I work at Pfizer at the NYC Headquarters, i actually signed up realgm with my pfizer email. I think the Pfizer Vaccine is very safe. Im not a scientist, i work in the digital field. but there will always be fear articles written about there vaccine, and the reason the vaccine was developed quicker the other vaccine is because of the revolutionary technology, MRNA. times change and science gets better, fyi there have been over 1 million people vaccinated with Pfizer/Biontechs vaccine, between UK/Europe and USA. much more than 1 million actually and plus the trial with over 40,000 people half which were placebo. and the death rate is low, i know someone here posted 12 deaths. lets just say thats true, 12 deaths out of over 1 million people vaccinated. thats bad? people literally die of everything as his been pointed out on here.



Well consider 92% of covid deaths are among the age group of 55 or older.

That means only 8% of of covid deaths are among those younger than 55 years old.

In the us we are currently only vaccinating “front line/ essential workers”. How old would you guess these people are? I’d wager 90% of the people we have vaccinated so far are younger than 55 years old.

So we’re vaccinating young/healthy people for a virus that doesn’t really affect young and healthy people. So of course it seems safe, these people are young and healthy with strong immune systems anyways.

How many times have you heard from your social circle “I’m not worried about getting covid myself, I just don’t want to spread it to XYZ and be responsible for their death...”

So hard to draw much of a conclusion from the vaccine so far.


The US has vaccinated over 10,000,000 people so far. 1,000,000+ in LTC settings (staff and patients). So I'd imagine at least hundreds of thousands of people aged 60+ have been vaccinated. So far 10 deaths (with no proven causation) have been reported.

Let's say at bare minimum 100,000 60+ year olds have been vaccinated:

fatality rate for 65 year old with COVID: 1.4%
fatality rate from COVID vaccine (possibly): 0.01%

As a 65 year old you're 140x more likely to die from COVID than the vaccine (based on the numbers so far). Seems like the risk might be worth it.



Fair enough. And what are the fatality rates in the younger age brackets? As that fatality rate gets smaller and smaller as the age gets younger, wouldn’t it kinda make sense that an individual would want to to not take the vaccine for something that has less than a 1% fatality rate? Why take that individual risk?
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Post#110 » by halifax » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:55 am

art_tatum wrote:
Da ThRONe wrote:
art_tatum wrote:Your body reacts to antigens all the time, and create antibodies for foreign things. It's pretty much everyday when you were a young kid. All the vaccine is doing is introducing that particular virus (partial or harmless version) so that your body can create a defense for it. Again, your body does this all the time.


That's normally how vaccines work but this vaccines is different. It doesn't actually introduce your body to the virus. It goes into your cells and then changes your cell to recognize the virus.


youre talking about the mRNA vaccine from one of the companies. That tech as been around for a few years. All it does is it brings a partial mrna of the virus into your immune cell so that it can translate it into a protein of the virus. by creating it, the cell recognizes it as an antigen and presents it to other immune cells to create antibodies. Immune cells naturally do these things, especially when it eats and breaks down a foreign protein. The vaccine just makes it more efficient. It doesn't change your DNA. DNA -> RNA ->protein. The mRNA vaccine is just like, here make some of my coded protein so you can create antibodies. And after that's made the mRNA degrades.


there are no long term studies on that.
teaching your body how to make COVID is risky ! it's the reason why this is the FIRST TIME mrna has been used. the vaccine DOES NOT contain the virus live or dead. it tells your body how to make it. for 12 days after taking it you are CONTAGEOUS. so says the WHO.

transfection – has complications that scientists are still researching.

In areas of DNA where RNA binds to one of the DNA threads in such a way that the complementary DNA thread becomes the sole thread (R-loop structures), the DNA stability will change if RNA is chemically modified by m6A.
“Several research groups are now working together to study what effect this can have on the DNA molecule. We already know that R-loop areas are associated with sequences of DNA containing active genes and that this can lead to chromosomal breakage and the loss of genetic information,” explains Klungland. –

https://phys.org/news/2020-01-rna-effect-dna.html?fbclid=IwAR3quNmKPWnav16QPn82cBzxvGj8CKt91f_xQPVQvdqbrEgJI4iLCwpFA74
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Post#111 » by HollowEarth » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:01 am

halifax wrote:
ConSarnit wrote:
mastermixer wrote:

Well consider 92% of covid deaths are among the age group of 55 or older.

That means only 8% of of covid deaths are among those younger than 55 years old.

In the us we are currently only vaccinating “front line/ essential workers”. How old would you guess these people are? I’d wager 90% of the people we have vaccinated so far are younger than 55 years old.

So we’re vaccinating young/healthy people for a virus that doesn’t really affect young and healthy people. So of course it seems safe, these people are young and healthy with strong immune systems anyways.

How many times have you heard from your social circle “I’m not worried about getting covid myself, I just don’t want to spread it to XYZ and be responsible for their death...”

So hard to draw much of a conclusion from the vaccine so far.


The US has vaccinated over 10,000,000 people so far. 1,000,000+ in LTC settings (staff and patients). So I'd imagine at least hundreds of thousands of people aged 60+ have been vaccinated. So far 10 deaths (with no proven causation) have been reported.

Let's say at bare minimum 100,000 60+ year olds have been vaccinated:

fatality rate for 65 year old with COVID: 1.4%
fatality rate from COVID vaccine (possibly): 0.01%

As a 65 year old you're 140x more likely to die from COVID than the vaccine (based on the numbers so far). Seems like the risk might be worth it.


dieing from the vaccine is not what concerns most people. it's an MRNA vaccine the first MRNA vaccine in history. Image

This is false. Since 2015, people have received mRNA vaccines for rabies and HIV.
mRNA vaccines represent a promising alternative to conventional vaccine approaches because of their high potency, capacity for rapid development and potential for low-cost manufacture and safe administration. However, their application has until recently been restricted by the instability and inefficient in vivo delivery of mRNA. Recent technological advances have now largely overcome these issues, and multiple mRNA vaccine platforms against infectious diseases and several types of cancer have demonstrated encouraging results in both animal models and humans. This Review provides a detailed overview of mRNA vaccines and considers future directions and challenges in advancing this promising vaccine platform to widespread therapeutic use.

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Post#112 » by ConSarnit » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:07 am

mastermixer wrote:
ConSarnit wrote:
mastermixer wrote:

Well consider 92% of covid deaths are among the age group of 55 or older.

That means only 8% of of covid deaths are among those younger than 55 years old.

In the us we are currently only vaccinating “front line/ essential workers”. How old would you guess these people are? I’d wager 90% of the people we have vaccinated so far are younger than 55 years old.

So we’re vaccinating young/healthy people for a virus that doesn’t really affect young and healthy people. So of course it seems safe, these people are young and healthy with strong immune systems anyways.

How many times have you heard from your social circle “I’m not worried about getting covid myself, I just don’t want to spread it to XYZ and be responsible for their death...”

So hard to draw much of a conclusion from the vaccine so far.


The US has vaccinated over 10,000,000 people so far. 1,000,000+ in LTC settings (staff and patients). So I'd imagine at least hundreds of thousands of people aged 60+ have been vaccinated. So far 10 deaths (with no proven causation) have been reported.

Let's say at bare minimum 100,000 60+ year olds have been vaccinated:

fatality rate for 65 year old with COVID: 1.4%
fatality rate from COVID vaccine (possibly): 0.01%

As a 65 year old you're 140x more likely to die from COVID than the vaccine (based on the numbers so far). Seems like the risk might be worth it.



Fair enough. And what are the fatality rates in the younger age brackets? As that fatality rate gets smaller and smaller as the age gets younger, wouldn’t it kinda make sense that an individual would want to to not take the vaccine for something that has less than a 1% fatality rate? Why take that individual risk?


Well, the current mortality rate from the covid vaccine for people under 60 is exactly 0, so you can probably extrapolate from there as to which is less lethal.
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Post#113 » by Greek » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:12 am

You don't take the vaccine only to protect your self, but also to protect the others from that. Also we don't know yet the long term affects of the virus even if we survive from it.

Trust the science, it makes mistakes but is far proven that it works after all.

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Post#114 » by HollowEarth » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:14 am

halifax wrote:
art_tatum wrote:
Da ThRONe wrote:
That's normally how vaccines work but this vaccines is different. It doesn't actually introduce your body to the virus. It goes into your cells and then changes your cell to recognize the virus.


youre talking about the mRNA vaccine from one of the companies. That tech as been around for a few years. All it does is it brings a partial mrna of the virus into your immune cell so that it can translate it into a protein of the virus. by creating it, the cell recognizes it as an antigen and presents it to other immune cells to create antibodies. Immune cells naturally do these things, especially when it eats and breaks down a foreign protein. The vaccine just makes it more efficient. It doesn't change your DNA. DNA -> RNA ->protein. The mRNA vaccine is just like, here make some of my coded protein so you can create antibodies. And after that's made the mRNA degrades.


there are no long term studies on that.
teaching your body how to make COVID is risky ! it's the reason why this is the FIRST TIME mrna has been used. the vaccine DOES NOT contain the virus live or dead. it tells your body how to make it. for 12 days after taking it you are CONTAGEOUS. so says the WHO.

transfection – has complications that scientists are still researching.

In areas of DNA where RNA binds to one of the DNA threads in such a way that the complementary DNA thread becomes the sole thread (R-loop structures), the DNA stability will change if RNA is chemically modified by m6A.
“Several research groups are now working together to study what effect this can have on the DNA molecule. We already know that R-loop areas are associated with sequences of DNA containing active genes and that this can lead to chromosomal breakage and the loss of genetic information,” explains Klungland. –

https://phys.org/news/2020-01-rna-effect-dna.html?fbclid=IwAR3quNmKPWnav16QPn82cBzxvGj8CKt91f_xQPVQvdqbrEgJI4iLCwpFA74
This article is not about the vaccines. Nothing so far indicates that the vaccines would have any role in the formation of R-loops.
mRNA from the vaccine never enters the nucleus of the cell and does not affect or interact with a person’s DNA.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/hcp/mrna-vaccine-basics.html

Additionally for anyone concerned about the mRNA vaccine, the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is made in the traditional way. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/oxford-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine.html
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Post#115 » by halifax » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:19 am

HollowEarth wrote:
halifax wrote:
ConSarnit wrote:
The US has vaccinated over 10,000,000 people so far. 1,000,000+ in LTC settings (staff and patients). So I'd imagine at least hundreds of thousands of people aged 60+ have been vaccinated. So far 10 deaths (with no proven causation) have been reported.

Let's say at bare minimum 100,000 60+ year olds have been vaccinated:

fatality rate for 65 year old with COVID: 1.4%
fatality rate from COVID vaccine (possibly): 0.01%

As a 65 year old you're 140x more likely to die from COVID than the vaccine (based on the numbers so far). Seems like the risk might be worth it.


dieing from the vaccine is not what concerns most people. it's an MRNA vaccine the first MRNA vaccine in history. Image

This is false. Since 2015, people have received mRNA vaccines for rabies and HIV.
mRNA vaccines represent a promising alternative to conventional vaccine approaches because of their high potency, capacity for rapid development and potential for low-cost manufacture and safe administration. However, their application has until recently been restricted by the instability and inefficient in vivo delivery of mRNA. Recent technological advances have now largely overcome these issues, and multiple mRNA vaccine platforms against infectious diseases and several types of cancer have demonstrated encouraging results in both animal models and humans. This Review provides a detailed overview of mRNA vaccines and considers future directions and challenges in advancing this promising vaccine platform to widespread therapeutic use.

http://nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243


sorry, I didn't consider the rabies and HIV 'shots'.
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Re: Haberstroh says "Good luck getting players/coaches fully on board with [vaccines]" 

Post#116 » by halifax » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:23 am

HollowEarth wrote:
halifax wrote:
art_tatum wrote:
youre talking about the mRNA vaccine from one of the companies. That tech as been around for a few years. All it does is it brings a partial mrna of the virus into your immune cell so that it can translate it into a protein of the virus. by creating it, the cell recognizes it as an antigen and presents it to other immune cells to create antibodies. Immune cells naturally do these things, especially when it eats and breaks down a foreign protein. The vaccine just makes it more efficient. It doesn't change your DNA. DNA -> RNA ->protein. The mRNA vaccine is just like, here make some of my coded protein so you can create antibodies. And after that's made the mRNA degrades.


there are no long term studies on that.
teaching your body how to make COVID is risky ! it's the reason why this is the FIRST TIME mrna has been used. the vaccine DOES NOT contain the virus live or dead. it tells your body how to make it. for 12 days after taking it you are CONTAGEOUS. so says the WHO.

transfection – has complications that scientists are still researching.

In areas of DNA where RNA binds to one of the DNA threads in such a way that the complementary DNA thread becomes the sole thread (R-loop structures), the DNA stability will change if RNA is chemically modified by m6A.
“Several research groups are now working together to study what effect this can have on the DNA molecule. We already know that R-loop areas are associated with sequences of DNA containing active genes and that this can lead to chromosomal breakage and the loss of genetic information,” explains Klungland. –

https://phys.org/news/2020-01-rna-effect-dna.html?fbclid=IwAR3quNmKPWnav16QPn82cBzxvGj8CKt91f_xQPVQvdqbrEgJI4iLCwpFA74
This article is not about the vaccines. Nothing so far indicates that the vaccines would have any role in the formation of R-loops.
mRNA from the vaccine never enters the nucleus of the cell and does not affect or interact with a person’s DNA.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/hcp/mrna-vaccine-basics.html

Additionally for anyone concerned about the mRNA vaccine, the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is made in the traditional way. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/oxford-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine.html


it's mRNA and M6A. there is no way to rule this out.
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Re: Haberstroh says "Good luck getting players/coaches fully on board with [vaccines]" 

Post#117 » by MemphisX » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:24 am

If the vaccine was so safe, why did pharmaceutical companies want immunity? People keep acting like immediate death is the only side effect. Nobody knows the long term effects of a mRNA vaccine on your immunity response. This is the big issue and nobody can honestly say they know the long term ramifications of taking this vaccine.

Heck, they can't even tell you if you will have to take it again next year and every year for ever.
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Re: Haberstroh says "Good luck getting players/coaches fully on board with [vaccines]" 

Post#118 » by art_tatum » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:25 am

HollowEarth wrote:
halifax wrote:
art_tatum wrote:
youre talking about the mRNA vaccine from one of the companies. That tech as been around for a few years. All it does is it brings a partial mrna of the virus into your immune cell so that it can translate it into a protein of the virus. by creating it, the cell recognizes it as an antigen and presents it to other immune cells to create antibodies. Immune cells naturally do these things, especially when it eats and breaks down a foreign protein. The vaccine just makes it more efficient. It doesn't change your DNA. DNA -> RNA ->protein. The mRNA vaccine is just like, here make some of my coded protein so you can create antibodies. And after that's made the mRNA degrades.


there are no long term studies on that.
teaching your body how to make COVID is risky ! it's the reason why this is the FIRST TIME mrna has been used. the vaccine DOES NOT contain the virus live or dead. it tells your body how to make it. for 12 days after taking it you are CONTAGEOUS. so says the WHO.

transfection – has complications that scientists are still researching.

In areas of DNA where RNA binds to one of the DNA threads in such a way that the complementary DNA thread becomes the sole thread (R-loop structures), the DNA stability will change if RNA is chemically modified by m6A.
“Several research groups are now working together to study what effect this can have on the DNA molecule. We already know that R-loop areas are associated with sequences of DNA containing active genes and that this can lead to chromosomal breakage and the loss of genetic information,” explains Klungland. –

https://phys.org/news/2020-01-rna-effect-dna.html?fbclid=IwAR3quNmKPWnav16QPn82cBzxvGj8CKt91f_xQPVQvdqbrEgJI4iLCwpFA74
This article is not about the vaccines. Nothing so far indicates that the vaccines would have any role in the formation of R-loops.
mRNA from the vaccine never enters the nucleus of the cell and does not affect or interact with a person’s DNA.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/hcp/mrna-vaccine-basics.html

Additionally for anyone concerned about the mRNA vaccine, the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is made in the traditional way. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/oxford-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine.html


Also the mrna vaccine only translates the spike protein. It makes no sense to say the mRNA will let the cells make covid. It doesn't have the complete viral sequence. An analogy would be that it makes a propeller. Sure you can tell that its part of a plane, but it ain't flying without the rest of it.
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Re: Haberstroh says "Good luck getting players/coaches fully on board with [vaccines]" 

Post#119 » by halifax » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:37 am

art_tatum wrote:
HollowEarth wrote:
halifax wrote:
there are no long term studies on that.
teaching your body how to make COVID is risky ! it's the reason why this is the FIRST TIME mrna has been used. the vaccine DOES NOT contain the virus live or dead. it tells your body how to make it. for 12 days after taking it you are CONTAGEOUS. so says the WHO.

transfection – has complications that scientists are still researching.

In areas of DNA where RNA binds to one of the DNA threads in such a way that the complementary DNA thread becomes the sole thread (R-loop structures), the DNA stability will change if RNA is chemically modified by m6A.
“Several research groups are now working together to study what effect this can have on the DNA molecule. We already know that R-loop areas are associated with sequences of DNA containing active genes and that this can lead to chromosomal breakage and the loss of genetic information,” explains Klungland. –

https://phys.org/news/2020-01-rna-effect-dna.html?fbclid=IwAR3quNmKPWnav16QPn82cBzxvGj8CKt91f_xQPVQvdqbrEgJI4iLCwpFA74
This article is not about the vaccines. Nothing so far indicates that the vaccines would have any role in the formation of R-loops.
mRNA from the vaccine never enters the nucleus of the cell and does not affect or interact with a person’s DNA.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/hcp/mrna-vaccine-basics.html

Additionally for anyone concerned about the mRNA vaccine, the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is made in the traditional way. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/oxford-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine.html


Also the mrna vaccine only translates the spike protein. It makes no sense to say the mRNA will let the cells make covid. It doesn't have the complete viral sequence. An analogy would be that it makes a propeller. Sure you can tell that its part of a plane, but it ain't flying without the rest of it.

mrna vaccines in any form are relatively new. 2017 seems to be when studies were first being made for rabies shot.
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Re: Haberstroh says "Good luck getting players/coaches fully on board with [vaccines]" 

Post#120 » by halifax » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:43 am

https://news.yahoo.com/said-no-evidence-covid-19-115511010.html

WHO's chief scientist, Dr. Soumya Swaminathan, noted on Monday that the agency had not established whether the COVID-19 vaccines being administered across the US and in Europe prevented people from getting the virus and passing it to others.

"At the moment I don't believe we have the evidence of any of the vaccines to be confident that it's going to prevent people from actually getting the infection and therefore being able to pass it on," Swaminathan told a virtual briefing, in comments reported by Axios.


there goes the narrative 'take the vaccine so you aren't a threat to others'
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