ConSarnit wrote: Kilroy wrote:
Can you link to the death statistics? I can’t find them on that site. It seems odd to me that zero media has reported the 12 deaths if the info is so publicly available. Seems like that would be very difficult to bury.
It seems like the adverse reactions are largely from the Pfizer vaccine, so perhaps the other vaccines would be a better option.
You have to accept the disclaimer and download either the CDC or the VAERS data (or both)... I can't point you directly to it. You have to download it and sift through it yourself. It's a lot.. I think like 300pgs...
So based on what I can see (using their filters: COVID VACCINE > DEATHS) there are 10 reported deaths, all over the age of 60. It's difficult to parse this information.
10,200,000 have received the vaccine in the US
1,080,000 of those have been to LTC residents
I'd say we can assume over 1mil 60+ year olds have received the vaccine (at least). 10 people have died after the vaccine but it doesn't say whether they died 6 hours after the vaccine or 12 days after. I guess my question is: how many of the 60+ who were vaccinated would have died regardless during that time period? They are providing correlating numbers but not causation.
Generally, it would seem like if you are under 60 and have no history of anaphylaxis there is very low/no risk in taking the vaccine (so far).
There is a separate search engine you can go to that makes searching the dataset pretty easy. And yeah, of those ten people who died, all but one were well over eighty and had other potentially fatal medical conditions. In one of the reports the staff even mentioned that they didn't think the patient would survive for longer than a couple of days regardless of the vaccine. The one 63 year old also seemed to have an extremely complicated medical history. In other words, these patients could have died from a reaction to the vaccine, or they could have died from their medical conditions. It may seem odd to give a vaccine to such a medical compromised group, but consider that COVID kills people over 80 and people with pre-existing medical conditions at a much more frequent rate.
Also, to even get to these datasets, you have to click through two disclaimers that state the following:
VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to VAERS. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. Most reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.
The strengths of VAERS are that it is national in scope and can quickly provide an early warning of a safety problem with a vaccine. As part of CDC and FDA's multi-system approach to post-licensure vaccine safety monitoring, VAERS is designed to rapidly detect unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse events, also known as "safety signals." If a safety signal is found in VAERS, further studies can be done in safety systems such as the CDC's Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) or the Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) project. These systems do not have the same limitations as VAERS, and can better assess health risks and possible connections between adverse events and a vaccine.
So basically just because there is a report of someone who took one of the COVID vaccines dying after they took it, that doesn't mean they died because of the COVID vaccine. The database is basically an early warning system for scientists to look for patterns that they might need to investigate further. You can bet that all of those 10 reports will be followed-up, but the results won't appear in the database.