Is Tilman Fertitta the worst owner in the NBA?

donnieme · Post #41 » by **donnieme** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:47 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:
Slava wrote:I honestly think he took on Oladipo instead of Simmons or Allen/Levert because his primary objective was to get under the tax this season and shed salary for the next. Between McNair and Tilman, the Houston sports teams have entered a not so fun era.

That move was the only questionable but even that you could get a pick or 2 from a desperate contender like GSW.
You dont want Allen/Levert ruin the tank and go competitive from 2024 so its a decent plan aside from tax savings.

Whatever you could get from Oladipo, you're sure to get far more by flipping Allen, Lavert and the Nets players. There was no reason to give them away for free. They didn't even get any kind of commitment from Dipo. Right now they will lose him for nothing when they could have gotten a king's ransom for the Nets players in addition to the picks.

Also their actual tank hasn't started yet. I'm sure people will wake up to the monumental cockup after the Dipo situation plays out. Just hope they don't say hindsight 20/20 cos it wasn't. The picks are great but there was also no reason to give away half of the haul.

chuck_wagon44 · Post #42 » by **chuck_wagon44** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:54 am

Fast forward to 2022, the answer is a resounding YES!

LAL1947 · Post #43 » by **LAL1947** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:02 am

chuck_wagon44 wrote:Fast forward to 2022, the answer is a resounding YES!

Did you mean a resounding NO?

The Rockets FO have put together a really good young group of draftees in just 2 drafts and they've still got a haul of picks. Seems like exciting times ahead for Rockets fans. :dontknow:

KPJ, TyTy
Green, Christopher
Eason, Tate
Jabari
Sengun, Garuba

chuck_wagon44 · Post #44 » by **chuck_wagon44** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:09 am

LAL1947 wrote:
chuck_wagon44 wrote:Fast forward to 2022, the answer is a resounding YES!

Did you mean a resounding NO?

The Rockets FO have put together a really good young group of draftees in just 2 drafts and they've still got a haul of picks. Seems like exciting times ahead for Rockets fans.

KPJ, TyTy
Green, Christopher
Eason, Tate
Jabari
Sengun, Garuba

After being the worst team in the league last 2 years and most likely this year as well..

Ask yourself this question. If, hypothetically, they hit on all those picks and current players, you really think Fertitta is going to pay above the luxury tax to compete? Honestly ask yourself. lol

Ckay · Post #45 » by **Ckay** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:10 am

How the mural looking now?

LAL1947 · Post #46 » by **LAL1947** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:12 am

chuck_wagon44 wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:
chuck_wagon44 wrote:Fast forward to 2022, the answer is a resounding YES!

Did you mean a resounding NO?

The Rockets FO have put together a really good young group of draftees in just 2 drafts and they've still got a haul of picks. Seems like exciting times ahead for Rockets fans.

KPJ, TyTy
Green, Christopher
Eason, Tate
Jabari
Sengun, Garuba

After being the worst team in the league last 2 years and most likely this year as well..

Ask yourself this question. If, hypothetically, they hit on all those picks and current players, you really think Fertitta is going to pay above the luxury tax to compete? Honestly ask yourself. lol

Of course, they tanked and did it well.

Well, this answer may surprise you, but I personally don't think that paying large amounts of luxury tax is a requirement to be a good owner... because there are different types of owners in the league with varying levels of wealth. Luxury tax gets progressively worse for repeat offenders too. It's why I'd like to see teams try to pay their players more sensibly to keep a larger group together, rather than simply hand max contracts around.

For example: Houston could try to maintain a core of 7-8 players (3 guards, 3 forwards [they may need a good SF as Eason is more of a PF... Patrick Williams would be perfect], and 1-2 centers). Something like that would be really cool to see and might turn out to be dynastic. It depends 50-50 on the players too, will they get greedy or do what is needed to keep a large core together.

chuck_wagon44 · Post #47 » by **chuck_wagon44** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:17 am

Fair response. I can't argue but I feel very confident he will not pay for a winning team.

NZB2323 · Post #48 » by **NZB2323** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:21 am

The Kings haven't made the playoffs since 2006.

BostonCouchGM · Post #49 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:35 am

I never understood this narrative. That was a very flawed HOU team that blew up and it blew up because Harden wanted out. Turns out they were actually smart to get rid of Westbrook and CP3. And since then, they've generally drafted extremely well and have one of the best young cores in the league. And when they traded Harden realgm excoriated Fertitta and the Rockets for not getting enough and now it's clear they killed it in that trade. Rule of thumb for realgm, whatever narrative or take they have the truth is usually the exact opposite.

BK_2020 · Post #50 » by **BK_2020** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:37 am

It will be hard for the current core to be better than the ones led by Harden but it will definitely be cheaper.

BostonCouchGM · Post #51 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:41 am

BK_2020 wrote:It will be hard for the current core to be better than the ones led by Harden but it will definitely be cheaper.

trick will be to let all these kids grow and develop together without breaking them up like OKC did

KPJ
Green
Eason
Smith
Sengun

that's pretty impressive. Does anyone have a better young core? If so it's still gotta be top 5 at worse.

Soulyss · Post #52 » by **Soulyss** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:46 am

Suns fans would like to interject here I suspect...

sp6r=underrated · Post #53 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:53 am

Being a cheap owner in Houston is a lot less forgiveable than being a cheap owner in Milwaukee and especially Oklahoma. There is a lot of money in Houston and you should be able to generate money there. If Fertitta isn't willing to spend in Houston that puts him near the top of terrible owners.

Clay Davis · Post #54 » by **Clay Davis** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:01 am

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Classic thread.

sp6r=underrated · Post #55 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:11 am

Clay Davis wrote:viewtopic.php?t=1939179

Classic thread.

Thank you for this.

Plutonashfan · Post #56 » by **Plutonashfan** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:43 am

Yes, he also a terrible human being. Look at all the disgusting things he supports.

TacoLord · Post #57 » by **TacoLord** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:32 am

Fertitta sucks.

vxmike · Post #58 » by **vxmike** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:59 am

benson13 wrote:
LAvision wrote:Its pretty clear he just bought the rockets to make money and will spend the bare minimum. Total cancer, how they let this guy in as an owner is a joke.

Houston has the second highest payroll in the league. Feritta is a CEO in the business hardest hit by COVID. I'm not saying he's a good owner. I just disagree about spending the bare minimum.

Agree. His businesses were decimated by Covid while many other tech owners grew their wealth substantially due to the stock market bubble. He may not be great but if tech companies got shut down too we’d be seeing many different spending patterns out there.

Post #59 » by **Mavrelous** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:43 am

Fertitta isn't rich enough and has no business being NBA owner, I'd still say MJ is worse owner than him, he milked the Harden deal, rightly gave up good players to rebuild faster, and is now with 2 promising young guys.

AussieCeltic · Post #60 » by **AussieCeltic** » Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:05 am

NZB2323 wrote:The Kings haven't made the playoffs since 2006.

As bad as they’ve been, and as annoying as Vivek is, he at least wants to win. I also have no doubt he’d be willing to spend money to make it happen.