Ant-Man ain't it

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Re: Ant-Man ain't it 

Post#201 » by Lalouie » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:33 am

he's a #1 and as a #1 he sucks
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Post#202 » by Quentin » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:48 pm

Big J wrote:Did Wolves not learn their lessons from JR Rider & Wiggins fam? This dude is a legit bum, no cap. Should be lit in the dunk contest tho.


You and your 5 "And 1's" still thinking this? :roll:
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Post#203 » by BK_2020 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:44 pm

He's freezing out KAT and ruining the Wolves' chances at a top 20 finish this season.
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Post#204 » by Homer38 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:48 pm

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Post#205 » by Rubio9Guy » Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:51 pm

Lalouie wrote:he's a #1 and as a #1 he sucks
At 19? I agree. 3-4 years from now? He's going to be really good

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Post#206 » by clyde21 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:53 pm

so many bad takes in this thread
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Post#207 » by yitur » Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:26 pm

clyde21 wrote:so many bad takes in this thread


These type of threads either come from people who try to troll a player/franchise or simply not knowing anything about NBA's history. People should remember that half of the top 10-20 players were not stars in their rookie seasons. Paul George, Jimmy Butler, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Kawhi Leonard, Nikola Jokic, Rudy Gobert. Like even Anthony Davis would've been made fun of for averaging 13-8 after such hype.

Then ofcourse asking people to be reasonable is not realistic since people like to clown anything and everything, especially on the internet. But I want to point out regardless of this fact. I wish we had the internet forums like now to see what people wrote about old legends. I can't believe how history repeats itself over and over again in every type of topic.
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Post#208 » by beeshma » Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:40 pm

Rubio9Guy wrote:
Lalouie wrote:he's a #1 and as a #1 he sucks
At 19? I agree. 3-4 years from now? He's going to be really good

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I think Ant-man already has one of the best 1st steps in the NBA. After he gets a little more experience he'll be unstoppable.
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Post#209 » by zeebneeb » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:09 pm

An easy way to raise the level on the general board from "Hot take city" or "Troll to get a rise" to "Should there be some concern with Edwards", thoughtful discussion is to simply ban users who turn out to be horribly wrong, in a fashion that is purposely meant to have a confrontational effect. Not just the OP, but those who also "contribute" to the discussion with nothing but "trash", "Told ya" or something similar.

The jury will be out on Edwards for at least the next several years so this topic is not only way to early, but needlessly inflammatory.
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Post#210 » by BoogieTime » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:03 pm

His lack of playmaking and team offense stand out when watching him. He’s iso for now
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Post#211 » by BadWolf » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:14 pm

On the contrary, I think his playmaking might separate him from an average 20 ppg SG.
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Post#212 » by Klomp » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:27 pm

BoogieTime wrote:His lack of playmaking and team offense stand out when watching him. He’s iso for now

He's averaging over 3 assists per game since starting.....and maybe the most significant stat, he's doing that with only 1.1 turnovers per game. For a higher usage guard, that's a crazy good turnover rate.
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Post#213 » by TheZachAttack » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:30 pm

Edwards stats since 1/27 in 12 games since he started starting:

31.8 mpg

18.3 pts/game - 4.8 rbd/g - 3.3 ast/g - 1.6 stocks/g 1.3 TO/g

On the following shooting splits...

48.4% 2 PT FG (9.1 att/g)
38.5% 3 PT FG (6.5 att/g)
79.3% FT (2.4 att/g)


Per 36 minutes this is roughly...

21 ppg/g
5.5 rbd/g
4 ast/g
1.8 stocks/g
1.5 TO/g

Basically rookie year Donovan Mitchell numbers (who I think is his best comp stylistically and shot selection/finishing wise), but he's 2 years younger.

Mitchell was at...

33.4 mpg
20.5 ppg - 3.7 rbds - 3.7 ast - 2.7 TOs - 1.8 stocks

on

50% 2 PT (10 att/g)
34% 3 PT (7 att/g)
80.5% FT (3.8 att/g)
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Post#214 » by TheZachAttack » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:33 pm

BadWolf wrote:On the contrary, I think his playmaking might separate him from an average 20 ppg SG.


Yeah, this is the right take. I mean if you're looking at him through the lens of being a Harden... sure. He's averaging 4 ast per 36 as a starter while only turning the ball over 1.5 times per game as a 19 year old who classed up and is the same age as most college freshman this year.

He's also actually a really solid 3 point shooter who shoots 40ish% most nights but will have 1-2 games out of 10 where he goes 1-7. It doesn't end up different percentage wise, but it's different in terms of eye test and impact on the majority of games. It's actually pretty similar to guys like Harden/Luka/Mitchell before this season who are known as 3 point shooters but don't always have elite percentages for a variety of reasons of shot difficulty plus attention plus volume, but really despite those percentages they are dangerous shooters that have to be guarded at all times. In addition, most nights they hit a bunch of 3's but they are also have 1-9 games once or twice every two weeks.
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Post#215 » by BadWolf » Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:01 pm

TheZachAttack wrote:

Basically rookie year Donovan Mitchell numbers (who I think is his best comp stylistically and shot selection/finishing wise), but he's 2 years younger.

Mitchell was at...

33.4 mpg
20.5 ppg - 3.7 rbds - 3.7 ast - 2.7 TOs - 1.8 stocks

on

50% 2 PT (10 att/g)
34% 3 PT (7 att/g)
80.5% FT (3.8 att/g)


Mitchell also started slow as hell, was talked as a bust and slowly picked it up. Let's hope for a similar trajectory
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Post#216 » by dc » Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:37 pm

Edwards should be good. He's now looking more in line with his projections right before he started his season at Georgia than the ones after his college season ended. Better overall feel for the game than I thought.

I don't think he'll be as good as Wade, despite what Wade himself said. He's physically bigger and stronger, but he doesn't have the same nuance to his game. I remember when Chris Mullin said Mike Dunleavy Jr. could be better than him. He was just trying to encourage a young player.
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Post#217 » by DreamTeam09 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:47 pm

Wing players are what makes your team tick, and is what every contender has. So definitely drafting a big wing like Edwards can't be looked at any sort of mistake or anything along those lines. Just hope that he develops into someone worth paying.

He's big and pretty quick for someone of his size, he does look iso happy which is bound to happen with his inexperience.

If he's in that 3.5-5ast range tho then he becomes a totally different type of player
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Post#218 » by Dan Z » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:07 pm

yitur wrote:
clyde21 wrote:so many bad takes in this thread


These type of threads either come from people who try to troll a player/franchise or simply not knowing anything about NBA's history. People should remember that half of the top 10-20 players were not stars in their rookie seasons. Paul George, Jimmy Butler, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Kawhi Leonard, Nikola Jokic, Rudy Gobert. Like even Anthony Davis would've been made fun of for averaging 13-8 after such hype.

Then ofcourse asking people to be reasonable is not realistic since people like to clown anything and everything, especially on the internet. But I want to point out regardless of this fact. I wish we had the internet forums like now to see what people wrote about old legends. I can't believe how history repeats itself over and over again in every type of topic.


There are also people who say this stuff because they want to look back and say "I told you so". It happens with almost every prospect and, as you point out, these players are young, they need time to develop. Nobody really knows how any of them will turn out until years down the road. Right now Anthony Edwards has shown great potential.
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Post#219 » by SF_Warriors » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:10 pm

18 ppg on 55% TS the past dozen games..he's definitely better than fultz.


He looks to be a very crafty finisher and slasher, his shot looks pretty solid despite not having great shooting percentages.
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Post#220 » by Goudelock » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:24 pm

TheZachAttack wrote:Edwards stats since 1/27 in 12 games since he started starting:

31.8 mpg

18.3 pts/game - 4.8 rbd/g - 3.3 ast/g - 1.6 stocks/g 1.3 TO/g

On the following shooting splits...

48.4% 2 PT FG (9.1 att/g)
38.5% 3 PT FG (6.5 att/g)
79.3% FT (2.4 att/g)




None of those numbers look unsustainable. It's not like any of those percentages are freakishly high, so I could see Edwards continuing to play at this level for the rest of the season.
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