Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis

Moderators: Domejandro, bwgood77, Dirk, zimpy27, KingDavid, jamaalstar21, infinite11285, ken6199, BombsquadSammy

Muha_i_samolet
Senior
Posts: 664
And1: 543
Joined: Nov 27, 2020
   

Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#81 » by Muha_i_samolet » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:41 pm

Duffman100 wrote:Just not sure how you buy a guy who misses 20-30 games a season. Unicorn or not, he has to be on the court to deliver.

I'd love to see him healthy, I really would.


Missed 50% of his career in the NBA. We're talking worse than Yao. Somewhere between Yao and Oden.
User avatar
Meat
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,125
And1: 2,558
Joined: Jun 30, 2013
       

Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#82 » by Meat » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:42 pm

How many unprotected 1st are you willing to give the knicks to take him back
dirkforpres
General Manager
Posts: 9,593
And1: 4,355
Joined: Sep 13, 2005
   

Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#83 » by dirkforpres » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:45 pm

I think the Porzingis hate is a bit strong. Carlisle uses him completely wrong and there’s no way he should spend as much time as far away from the basket as he does, but in a good system he’s still an all star caliber player IMO
FIRE RICK CARLISLE
User avatar
Capn'O
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 61,194
And1: 54,095
Joined: Dec 16, 2005
Location: Harden = Nets Championship
 

Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#84 » by Capn'O » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:47 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:We Knicks fans warned you, because we were watching the games, while other fanbases were actually buying the hype and used it to pile on the Knicks... the irony.

Big facts.


you guys give yourself too much credit, no one knew Porzingis would turn into such a stiff, he was one of the most promising defenders in the league.


He always struggled with:

- Perimeter defense
- Post up play
- Rebounding
- Injuries

I think most Knicks fans at least saw the concerns with him prior to the trade even if they roundly supported him. I had him pegged as a borderline all-star but not the superstar some saw. Ironically, before the trade I saw him as a potentially great fit alongside Julius Randle.
BAF Clippers
PG: SGA Conley Chiozza
SG: KCP Melton Bacon
SF: Middleton THT
PF: DFS Bjelica Toliver
C: Vuc Nurkic Holmes

RIP Mags :beer:
"Greatness wasn't worth anything if you couldn't share it."-Kobe
User avatar
Texas Chuck
Senior Mod - Mavericks and NBA TnT Forum
Senior Mod - Mavericks and NBA TnT Forum
Posts: 60,670
And1: 53,754
Joined: May 19, 2012
Location: 403 Minutes in the Bay
   

Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#85 » by Texas Chuck » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:49 pm

some of you lucky the search function here doesn't work. :wink:

Otherwise we could play a fun game of This You? 8-)
ThunderBolt wrote:Some of you guys need understand that not every play is a prophetic vision of the player's career trajectory.

User avatar
iamworthy
RealGM
Posts: 19,043
And1: 7,137
Joined: Jul 20, 2007
Location: Ring City!!!
   

Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#86 » by iamworthy » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:50 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:some of you lucky the search function here doesn't work. :wink:

Otherwise we could play a fun game of This You? 8-)


:lol: :lol: :lol:
Image
John Murdoch
Head Coach
Posts: 6,008
And1: 4,292
Joined: Sep 16, 2013
         

Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#87 » by John Murdoch » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:55 pm

Indiana feels like a fit
Blackification wrote:I **** hate that crackhead corey brewer


Magic#1 wrote:We have won two playoff games in two years. If we decide to keep this team for the next two years, maybe it will feel like we won a series.
User avatar
Texas Chuck
Senior Mod - Mavericks and NBA TnT Forum
Senior Mod - Mavericks and NBA TnT Forum
Posts: 60,670
And1: 53,754
Joined: May 19, 2012
Location: 403 Minutes in the Bay
   

Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#88 » by Texas Chuck » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:56 pm

John Murdoch wrote:Indiana feels like a fit


They already have two centers who are playing really well.
ThunderBolt wrote:Some of you guys need understand that not every play is a prophetic vision of the player's career trajectory.

Pg81
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,952
And1: 2,246
Joined: Apr 20, 2014
 

Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#89 » by Pg81 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:57 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:We Knicks fans warned you, because we were watching the games, while other fanbases were actually buying the hype and used it to pile on the Knicks... the irony.


Again many realized it was a gamble. And what can happen with gambles? Sometimes you lose.
If you're asking me who the Mavs best player is, I'd say Luka. A guy like Delon Wright probably rivals his impact though at this stage in his career. KP may as well if he gets his **** together.
GeorgeMarcus, 17/11/2019
User avatar
DoubleLintendre
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,250
And1: 8,567
Joined: Jul 15, 2012
 

Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#90 » by DoubleLintendre » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:07 pm

Why do I see the Warriors trading for him...
User avatar
Scalabrine
RealGM
Posts: 15,154
And1: 5,347
Joined: Jun 02, 2004
Location: NorCal
     

Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#91 » by Scalabrine » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:08 pm

mg wrote:
Scalabrine wrote:What about Prozingis/Powell/Burke to Cleveland for Drummond/Nance/Windler and a 22 lottery protected 1st.

Mavs get off the contracts of KP and Powell and go into the off-season with much more flexibility. 60ish million in capspace, to start rebuilding a team around Luka while he's still the most underpaid player in the league.

Drummond/WCS/Boban
Nance/Kleber/Johnson
DFS/THj/Windler
Richardson/THj/Green
Luka/Brunson/Terry

Cavs unload Drummond for something and got with Okoro/KP/Allen as one of the best defensive pairings in the league to support their smaller Sexland backcourt.

Allen/KP/McGee
KP/Love/Wade
Okoro/Osman
Sexton/Dotson
Garland/Sexton/Burke


No thanks I'm sure the Cavs would prefer to keep Nance and the FRP. Actually Nance at his salary is probably the better bargain over KP and his salary.
If they deal Drummond I highly doubt they can take back a KP type contract plus Powell to boot. The Cavs need to pay Allen this summer and already have Love's contract on the books. Teams can't be spending $90 mil on their frontcourt when the league is now wing/guard centric.


I mean they can when their wing/guard centric players are all on rookie deals. By the time Sexton/Garland are up for extensions, Love will be gone. This deal wouldn't put them in the luxury tax, even after Allens extension. I didn't realize that Nance carried so much value around the league though, so maybe swap him for Prince.
Go Knicks!
User avatar
clyde21
RealGM
Posts: 46,649
And1: 52,283
Joined: Aug 20, 2014
   

Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#92 » by clyde21 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:09 pm

DoubleLintendre wrote:Why do I see the Warriors trading for him...


because Myers is a clown who traded a 2026 1st just to get rid of Iguodala to make room for D-Lo and then potentially another first for a one-year 80-million dollar rental of Kelly **** Oubre.
#BLM #FREEPALESTINE

HOLD THE LINE.
dirkforpres
General Manager
Posts: 9,593
And1: 4,355
Joined: Sep 13, 2005
   

Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#93 » by dirkforpres » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:09 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
John Murdoch wrote:Indiana feels like a fit


They already have two centers who are playing really well.


Seems like Myles is always being tossed in trade rumors though. Turner and McDermott for KP works in the trade machine and it solves both of Dallas’ biggest weaknesses - 3 point shooting and rebounding
FIRE RICK CARLISLE
Duke4life831
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 24,231
And1: 40,740
Joined: Jun 16, 2015
   

Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#94 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:16 pm

I cant blame the Mavs for getting him. It was a high risk high reward kind of deal. Just didnt pan out it looks like.

Its crazy just how bad defensively he has become. Im curious if its all physical or if he just cant seem to get any kind of rhythm because he cant stay healthy and play a good chunk of games without missing time.

I do have a feeling that when he is 27-28 years old, he will finally stay healthy and really buy into a team first defensive first kind of role and teams will want him (clearly not on this size of a contract). Kind of like a Brook Lopez.
Billy Goat
Veteran
Posts: 2,624
And1: 1,228
Joined: Mar 08, 2017
 

Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#95 » by Billy Goat » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:23 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:We Knicks fans warned you, because we were watching the games, while other fanbases were actually buying the hype and used it to pile on the Knicks... the irony.


I don’t recall Knicks fans being overwhelmingly happy with the trade. A lot saw KP has a star who struggled to stay healthy. He was never really good.
PistolPeteJR
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,930
And1: 5,313
Joined: Jun 14, 2017
 

Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#96 » by PistolPeteJR » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:29 pm

gottamakeit wrote:
mg wrote:
Scalabrine wrote: Teams can't be spending $90 mil on their frontcourt when the league is now wing/guard centric.


On that note, do you think this makes sense for both teams?
Image


NO TO THE WAY TO THE NOOOOOOO WAY.
User avatar
Texas Chuck
Senior Mod - Mavericks and NBA TnT Forum
Senior Mod - Mavericks and NBA TnT Forum
Posts: 60,670
And1: 53,754
Joined: May 19, 2012
Location: 403 Minutes in the Bay
   

Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#97 » by Texas Chuck » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:29 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
I do have a feeling that when he is 27-28 years old, he will finally stay healthy and really buy into a team first defensive first kind of role and teams will want him (clearly not on this size of a contract). Kind of like a Brook Lopez.


Not a match in terms of game, but I think Big Z is the hope. His feet issues seemed like they'd never get right but then he turned a corner at 27 and was really durable. And he was another 7'3" guy.

But my fear is this is more Ralph Sampson/Yao where he just is done by the time he's 30.
ThunderBolt wrote:Some of you guys need understand that not every play is a prophetic vision of the player's career trajectory.

User avatar
Celts17Pride
RealGM
Posts: 47,627
And1: 35,740
Joined: Nov 27, 2005

Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#98 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:34 pm

jpengland wrote:Be foolish not to gauge the market.

GMs gauge the market on everyone. It's their job. I'm sure the Mavs have gauged the market on Luka. Not that the Mavs would ever consider trading Luka ever but they like to know how other teams value players. It's what they do.
Duke4life831
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 24,231
And1: 40,740
Joined: Jun 16, 2015
   

Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#99 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:40 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
I do have a feeling that when he is 27-28 years old, he will finally stay healthy and really buy into a team first defensive first kind of role and teams will want him (clearly not on this size of a contract). Kind of like a Brook Lopez.


Not a match in terms of game, but I think Big Z is the hope. His feet issues seemed like they'd never get right but then he turned a corner at 27 and was really durable. And he was another 7'3" guy.

But my fear is this is more Ralph Sampson/Yao where he just is done by the time he's 30.

Ya Im not saying their game is the same. Im saying how Lopez kind of went from being viewed as this high usage big that no one really wanted. Then late 20s he kind of just became this low usage team first guy that really improved his defense. I wouldnt be shocked if KP can become that. Just a team first guy that any team would love to plug in and get 25-28 minutes from.

But ya he could also go down the Ralph Samspon route and be gone by 30.
OrangeBlueSkies
Veteran
Posts: 2,798
And1: 1,774
Joined: Jul 22, 2013

Re: Dallas Mavericks Quietly Gauging The Market For Kristaps Porzingis 

Post#100 » by OrangeBlueSkies » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:41 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
jpengland wrote:Be foolish not to gauge the market.

GMs gauge the market on everyone. It's their job. I'm sure the Mavs have gauged the market on Luka. Not that the Mavs would ever consider trading Luka ever but they like to know how other teams value players. It's what they do.



Na. They never gauged the market on Luka. The last thing Dallas would ever want is for some reason or another a story be leaked about how Dallas gauged interest on Luka.

That would be the beginning of the end for Luka in Dallas.

Return to The General Board