NBA MVP Discussion '20-'21, Part 2 (Poll created 21 March '21)

[dygaction]

After LeBron and Embiid's injury, Giannis and Harden are missing games, and Dame is playing badly with their new small backcourt lineup.

[Sgt Major]

Jokic was better than all of them even before their injuries

[mediocrityrules]

Jokic was better than all of them even before their injuries

I think Jokic has been top all season, but it's been close. However, injuries to all of the other favorites has the Joker leading this hands down. If Embiid stays healthy the rest of the way he will have to put up insane numbers (and Philly continue to win) to even have a chance.

I think Giannis was making a run to be in the conversation, but the latest injury setback has him out of the picture now, and LeBron has already missed too many games to be considered (and wasn't exactly winning any statistical categories even when he was firing earlier in the season). I'd put Harden in the 'too injured' basket as well.

Such a shame that it's gone from talking about a whole range of options for potential MVP, to really just one main contender and 1-2 distant chances.

[Mickey8]

Lillard was always overrated as the MVP candidate to me, Luka should be ahead of him in the MVP rankings.

[eyeatoma]

Jokic was better than all of them even before their injuries

Just no....

Embiid was the presumptive MVP at the allstar break. Most media members with a vote had him as the MVP as well.

[FinnTheHuman]

Jokic was better than all of them even before their injuries

Just no....

Embiid was the presumptive MVP at the allstar break. Most media members with a vote had him as the MVP as well.

Considering the fact that you've been here for the last couple of days hallucinating that Embiid is a top 2 candidate and very close to Jokic, you should probably consider that you were hallucinating back then as well. There was no consensus at the time, everybody was saying that Jokic had the individual performances, and that Embiid had the team record. There was a poll here and Embiid had like 80 votes while Jokic had 68 at the time. Lebron had more votes than both at the time. So yeah, please come to your senses.

[Sgt Major]

Jokic was better than all of them even before their injuries

Just no....

Embiid was the presumptive MVP at the allstar break. Most media members with a vote had him as the MVP as well.

Media members like Stephen A Smith? Riiight

[eyeatoma]

Jokic was better than all of them even before their injuries

Just no....

Embiid was the presumptive MVP at the allstar break. Most media members with a vote had him as the MVP as well.

Considering the fact that you've been here for the last couple of days hallucinating that Embiid is a top 2 candidate and very close to Jokic, you should probably consider that you were hallucinating back then as well. There was no consensus at the time, everybody was saying that Jokic had the individual performances, and that Embiid had the team record. There was a poll here and Embiid had like 80 votes while Jokic had 68 at the time. Lebron had more votes than both at the time. So yeah, please come to your senses.

News flash we don't count. The media does. They're the ones with votes. Members with votes who blue have Jokic, had Embiid as the MVP at all star break. Zach Lose, Doris Burke, Bill Simmons, etc.

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[eyeatoma]

Jokic was better than all of them even before their injuries

Just no....

Embiid was the presumptive MVP at the allstar break. Most media members with a vote had him as the MVP as well.

Media members like Stephen A Smith? Riiight

Nope.

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[Mickey8]

Charles Barkley is a dummy, his picks for the MVP.

[Dupp]

Jokic was better than all of them even before their injuries

Just no....

Embiid was the presumptive MVP at the allstar break. Most media members with a vote had him as the MVP as well.

Even if this was true ( it isn’t, the race was between a few) Jokic was still playing better than anyone then. He has been since day one this season.

[Kurtz]

Jokic was better than all of them even before their injuries

Just no....

Embiid was the presumptive MVP at the allstar break. Most media members with a vote had him as the MVP as well.

Lebron was the heavy betting favourite at the break.

[FinnTheHuman]

Just no....

Embiid was the presumptive MVP at the allstar break. Most media members with a vote had him as the MVP as well.

Considering the fact that you've been here for the last couple of days hallucinating that Embiid is a top 2 candidate and very close to Jokic, you should probably consider that you were hallucinating back then as well. There was no consensus at the time, everybody was saying that Jokic had the individual performances, and that Embiid had the team record. There was a poll here and Embiid had like 80 votes while Jokic had 68 at the time. Lebron had more votes than both at the time. So yeah, please come to your senses.

News flash we don't count. The media does. They're the ones with votes. Members with votes who blue have Jokic, had Embiid as the MVP at all star break. Zach Lose, Doris Burke, Bill Simmons, etc.

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Dude, stop clowning, you constantly post videos of talking heads who nobody has respect for and who don't have votes here, you keep asking if this or that media member has the voting right, you have no idea what's going on but you keep talking and talking.

And now you're making false claims that Embiid had the majority of the media members' votes pre-injury, when 99% of them didn't say a thing about who they'd vote for. There's a 100 of media members who have the voting right.

And I've been following this race since the start and I follow Zach Lowe and at no point did he say that he'd vote Embiid, you've made that up on the spot. Same goes for Doris Burke, if she said she'd vote Embiid, I'd remember that.

The nerve you people have to claim made up stuff is appalling, don't you feel any shame when you blatantly lie in an argument? And all this for what?

[Sharkboy242]

Just heard Ramona Shelbourne (who has an MVP vote) say she'd vote for Jokic if the race ended now on the Lowe Post. Zach said he thinks were heading to a pretty clear Jokic MVP case.

I made a an error here, it was Doris Burke (lol), not Ramona.

[greekbuck34]

If Jokic doesn't win it this season he will never will. There is no way we have another year with so many injuries on MVP type of players. Even Iron men like Lebron and Giannis got hit this year.

[KGtabake]

If Jokic doesn't win it this season he will never will. There is no way we have another year with so many injuries on MVP type of players. Even Iron men like Lebron and Giannis got hit this year.

Why's that? Ofc Jokic will win again in the future. He's young, he's on his way to become the greatest offensive big ever and his team is young and on the rise.

Jokic, Giannis, Doncic, Embiid, Zion, Tatum, SGA, Morant and possibly KAT(if he overcomes some obstacles) will dominate the '20s.

[dygaction]

If Jokic doesn't win it this season he will never will. There is no way we have another year with so many injuries on MVP type of players. Even Iron men like Lebron and Giannis got hit this year.

Your take is like Skip taking Lakers credit away for not beating Clippers last year. Not Jolie’s fault the others could not stay healthy to put up a good fight. He has been always on the rising and we don’t even know whether Jokic is near his peak yet..

[greekbuck34]

If Jokic doesn't win it this season he will never will. There is no way we have another year with so many injuries on MVP type of players. Even Iron men like Lebron and Giannis got hit this year.

Your take is like Skip taking Lakers credit away for not beating Clippers last year. Not Jolie’s fault the others could not stay healthy to put up a good fight. He has been always on the rising and we don’t even know whether Jokic is near his peak yet..

Its the truth. If Embiid was healthy and the 76ers were the 1st seed it would have been him 99%. If Lebron and AD were healthy and the Lakers had the 1st seed it would have been Legacy MVP Lebron. Thats how it works. The seed is extremely important to the award and this season the top 2 and maybe 3 seeds of either conferences don't have legit MVP candidates for various reasons. This is extremely rare and I don't think it can happen again anytime soon.

[dygaction]

If Jokic doesn't win it this season he will never will. There is no way we have another year with so many injuries on MVP type of players. Even Iron men like Lebron and Giannis got hit this year.

Your take is like Skip taking Lakers credit away for not beating Clippers last year. Not Jolie’s fault the others could not stay healthy to put up a good fight. He has been always on the rising and we don’t even know whether Jokic is near his peak yet..

Its the truth. If Embiid was healthy and the 76ers were the 1st seed it would have been him 99%. If Lebron and AD were healthy and the Lakers had the 1st seed it would have been Legacy MVP Lebron. Thats how it works. The seed is extremely important to the award and this season the top 2 and maybe 3 seeds of either conferences don't have legit MVP candidates for various reasons. This is extremely rare and I don't think it can happen again anytime soon.

If and if, and more ifs
If Nuggets never lost Jeromy Grant or had A Gordon from the season starts, they would be a lock top 3 with top offense and good defense, and in reality they will likely still be at the season ends.
If Embiid was healthy, but he has not shown any sign of being able to stay healthy in the past 7 years.
If LeBron and AD were healthy. LeBron is 36 years old and AD is injury prone. They two are on supermax contract which leaves the rest of Lakers thin. Hat off to LeBron for not taking load management like Kawhi, but maybe he should have.
Nets big 3 would take votes away from each other if all healthy.

Next several years, Jokic, Giannis, and Luka whoever has the best team record would be the front runners as they are easily the best players of their teams. Don't think LeBron will try it so hard in the regular season and not sure Embiid should either.

[greekbuck34]

Your take is like Skip taking Lakers credit away for not beating Clippers last year. Not Jolie’s fault the others could not stay healthy to put up a good fight. He has been always on the rising and we don’t even know whether Jokic is near his peak yet..

Its the truth. If Embiid was healthy and the 76ers were the 1st seed it would have been him 99%. If Lebron and AD were healthy and the Lakers had the 1st seed it would have been Legacy MVP Lebron. Thats how it works. The seed is extremely important to the award and this season the top 2 and maybe 3 seeds of either conferences don't have legit MVP candidates for various reasons. This is extremely rare and I don't think it can happen again anytime soon.

If and if, and more ifs
If Nuggets never lost Jeromy Grant or had A Gordon from the season starts, they would be a lock top 3 with top offense and good defense, and in reality they will likely still be at the season ends.
If Embiid was healthy, but he has not shown any sign of being able to stay healthy in the past 7 years.
If LeBron and AD were healthy. LeBron is 36 years old and AD is injury prone. They two are on supermax contract which leaves the rest of Lakers thin. Hat off to LeBron for not taking load management like Kawhi, but maybe he should have.
Nets big 3 would take votes away from each other if all healthy.

Next several years, Jokic, Giannis, and Luka whoever has the best team record would be the front runners as they are easily the best players of their teams. Don't think LeBron will try it so hard in the regular season and not sure Embiid should either.

That's my point. Too many ifs this season and you only need one for Jokic not to be the favourite to win the award right now. It will not happen again and Jokic should win it if he stays healthy till the end. There is basically no other legit case left unharmed right now.