VDT wrote:Mickey8 wrote:draftnightsuit wrote:
Embiid is better than Jokic at everything except for assists and shooting %. Embiid is the better scorer, rebounder, defender, has a higher PER, and a better record. Jokic is the better passer and is slightly more efficient.
Sixers are 26-7 with Embiid, 9-9 without him. If there was any question as to who the MVP is, that answers it.
Like I said, no debate.
No he's not, actually Embiid is not better in anything than Jokic that much, he has the edge in rebounding but thats not that much of difference and shot blocking , but Jokic is better in steals, way better in facilitating , assisting the ball , and Jokic is the better shooter, Jokic is better in every shooting statistical category . Jokic was leading in PER until recently , before the trade, and Jokic is taking the step back , trying to incorporate Gordon into the offense and he is not forcing on the offense , scoring as much as Embiid , he has periods when he only facilitating , thats the reason why Embiid is averaging more points than Jokic , Jokic could average 30 points or more if he wants to , with his scoring, assisting , shooting averages, there is no doubt that Jokic is superior offensive player to Embiid , Embiid is also protected by the refs and he gets bunch of free throws every game, lots of freebies . Also Sixers were pretty fine with Embiid, being out, there wasn't that great drop off in wins and losses column . Jokic didn't miss the game this season, while Embiid was having lots of rest, being fresher player of two . And stop reading into win columns, if you wont mention how many injuries Denver had, players being out for different reasons all season long, and Denver is only three games behind the Sixers , could surpass them at the end of the season in game wins, also Sixers won bunch of games without Embiid as well.
Embiid is at least a tier higher as a scorer as volume counts (ironically they are at exactly the same efficiency right now 64.7% TS). He is a better rebounder (career 20.2 % TRB vs 18.2%) and is the much better defender. Jokic is the considerably better passer. He also tends to miss considerably less games if you want to count that.
Volume Jokic is actually slightly higher but Embiid gets WAY more free throw calls.
Heath aside, we know Jokic is a playoff performer, and Embiid's efficiency and numbers drop like a tank in the playoffs, if that means something.
Reg: 24.8/11.4/3.1; 48.6/32.7/80.3 shooting
Playoffs: 22.3/11.5/2.9; 43.7/28.6/78.6 shooting
Reg: 18.1/9.7/5.9; 53.2/35/83.1 shooting
Playoffs: 24.7/11.2/6.9; 51.3/41.6/84.1 shooting