in your opinion what makes a basketball player a SUPERSTAR

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Re: in your opinion what makes a basketball player a SUPERSTAR 

Post#41 » by Kingdibs19 » Thu Apr 8, 2021 8:04 pm

Word gets thrown around too loosely, there is only a few:
Lebron
Durant
Harden
Curry
Giannis

On the cusp:
Jokic
Luka
Embiid
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Post#42 » by Zan Tabacco » Thu Apr 8, 2021 8:09 pm

Ballerhogger wrote:The only superstars I see currently when healthy
Lebron
Kevin Durant
Harden
Jokic.
Curry!


Harden, Curry and Jokic are superstars, but Kawhi isn't? Ok.
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Post#43 » by Zan Tabacco » Thu Apr 8, 2021 8:11 pm

Kingdibs19 wrote:Word gets thrown around too loosely, there is only a few:
Lebron
Durant
Harden
Curry
Giannis

On the cusp:
Jokic
Luka
Embiid


Kawhi not even on the cusp? :o Man some people have goldfish like memories eh. He was clearly the best player on a championship team less than two years ago. What has changed since then?
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Re: in your opinion what makes a basketball player a SUPERSTAR 

Post#45 » by Biff » Thu Apr 8, 2021 8:50 pm

I think you gotta be able to carry a team to at least .500ish basketball, a la Kobe between Shaq and Pau Gasol. Or Garnett on some of those TWolves teams.
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Post#46 » by Ballerhogger » Thu Apr 8, 2021 9:09 pm

Zan Tabacco wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:The only superstars I see currently when healthy
Lebron
Kevin Durant
Harden
Jokic.
Curry!


Harden, Curry and Jokic are superstars, but Kawhi isn't? Ok.

Kawhi load mangment has really affected his overall career and the fact he blew 3-1 just last playoff doesn’t help his case
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Re: in your opinion what makes a basketball player a SUPERSTAR 

Post#47 » by Ballerhogger » Thu Apr 8, 2021 9:13 pm

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Jadoogar wrote:
drchaos wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:The only superstars I see currently when healthy
Lebron
Kevin Durant
Harden
Jokic.
Curry!


Setting the bar a little too high.

I would say there are at least a dozen guys that should qualify as superstars.


I think this is a solid list, the only guys i would add are Giannis (2x MVP and still so young) and Kawhi (shown he can carry a team)

Guys like Luka, Zion and Embiid (health) are on the cusp

Giannis playoffs performances have taken him out of the discussion ,I look at Kawhi and how much time he’s missed during his career which really hurts his case
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Post#48 » by Zan Tabacco » Thu Apr 8, 2021 9:50 pm

Ballerhogger wrote:[list=][/list]
Jadoogar wrote:
drchaos wrote:
Setting the bar a little too high.

I would say there are at least a dozen guys that should qualify as superstars.


I think this is a solid list, the only guys i would add are Giannis (2x MVP and still so young) and Kawhi (shown he can carry a team)

Guys like Luka, Zion and Embiid (health) are on the cusp

Giannis playoffs performances have taken him out of the discussion ,I look at Kawhi and how much time he’s missed during his career which really hurts his case


Does it though? There are currently 4 players in the league who have been the best player on a championship team.

LeBron - Durant - Kawhi - Curry

I don't think any of them can be excluded without extreme bias.

Tier 1 Superstars - LeBron - Durant - Kawhi - Curry
Tier 2 Superstars - Harden, Jokic, Embiid, AD, Giannis, Lillard, Doncic.
Tier 3 Stars (not superstars) - Kyrie, Butler, George, Paul etc...
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Post#49 » by eyeatoma » Thu Apr 8, 2021 9:52 pm

Zan Tabacco wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:[list=][/list]
Jadoogar wrote:
I think this is a solid list, the only guys i would add are Giannis (2x MVP and still so young) and Kawhi (shown he can carry a team)

Guys like Luka, Zion and Embiid (health) are on the cusp

Giannis playoffs performances have taken him out of the discussion ,I look at Kawhi and how much time he’s missed during his career which really hurts his case


Does it though? There are currently 4 players in the league who have been the best player on a championship team.

LeBron - Durant - Kawhi - Curry

I don't think any of them can be excluded without extreme bias.

Tier 1 Superstars - LeBron - Durant - Kawhi - Curry
Tier 2 Superstars - Harden, Jokic, Embiid, AD, Giannis, Lillard, Doncic.
Tier 3 Stars (not superstars) - Kyrie, Butler, George, Paul etc...


I'd say this is a well created list. If Embiid/Lillard/Doncic/Harden/Joker can get to the finals they vault into tier 1.
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Post#50 » by Buzzard » Thu Apr 8, 2021 10:18 pm

Edit: Since this is my opinion, not the media's opinion, here is mine. I have two.

A - The primary or secondary star of a team who takes over a playoff series and wins it.
B - The primary or secondary star of a team who takes over a city and owns it for 8 years or more.
* Lillard is a great example as he has accomplished both A and B.


Here is what I think is the media's. A player who warrants his own shoe commercial. Not kidding here. I think Westbrook actually arrived in the media's eyes when he started doing those great shoe commercials.
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Post#51 » by zeebneeb » Thu Apr 8, 2021 10:26 pm

Clear leader of the team, doesn't defer but will take criticism. True alpha bordering on sociopath, and will do whatever it takes to win. If he doesn't take the last shot, it's because he was triple teamed.
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Post#52 » by laronprofit9 » Thu Apr 8, 2021 10:28 pm

Top 10-15 player in the league

Belongs on either all nba 1st or 2nd team
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Post#53 » by JonFromVA » Thu Apr 8, 2021 10:50 pm

A player that uplifts his team by a large amount and continues to find ways to do so in the playoffs and when opponents key in on him. It's pretty much inexcusable for a superstar to lose in the playoffs unless it's to another superstar or a championship caliber team.
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Post#54 » by drchaos » Fri Apr 9, 2021 12:05 am

Zan Tabacco wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:[list=][/list]
Jadoogar wrote:
I think this is a solid list, the only guys i would add are Giannis (2x MVP and still so young) and Kawhi (shown he can carry a team)

Guys like Luka, Zion and Embiid (health) are on the cusp

Giannis playoffs performances have taken him out of the discussion ,I look at Kawhi and how much time he’s missed during his career which really hurts his case


Does it though? There are currently 4 players in the league who have been the best player on a championship team.

LeBron - Durant - Kawhi - Curry

I don't think any of them can be excluded without extreme bias.

Tier 1 Superstars - LeBron - Durant - Kawhi - Curry
Tier 2 Superstars - Harden, Jokic, Embiid, AD, Giannis, Lillard, Doncic.
Tier 3 Stars (not superstars) - Kyrie, Butler, George, Paul etc...


I would say that the line between your tier two and tier tree guys is very thin.

Doncic has yet to prove himself in the playoffs.

I don't know that I would take Lillard over Kyrie or Butler.
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Re: in your opinion what makes a basketball player a SUPERSTAR 

Post#55 » by Norm2953 » Fri Apr 9, 2021 12:19 am

I think what makes a SS with basketball talent is attitude. Lots of guys with all kinds of physical or
developed talent through hard work, lack that certain thing that separates them from the merely
good players.

On Portland's team, its what separates Lillard from CJ for both guys are of similar size and physical
talent but Dame is able to really expand his game when its really needed for Dame in his game
winning shot vs OKC simply knew he would make that final shot, no matter how far out.
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Re: in your opinion what makes a basketball player a SUPERSTAR 

Post#56 » by Lalouie » Fri Apr 9, 2021 12:25 am

PistolPeteJR wrote:
drchaos wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:The only superstars I see currently when healthy
Lebron
Kevin Durant
Harden
Jokic.
Curry!


Setting the bar a little too high.

I would say there are at least a dozen guys that should qualify as superstars.


I'd argue your bar is too low.


the bar must be set high otherwise there is no point. it should be exclusive not inclusive. relatively speaking, a low bar is for all star teams
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Post#57 » by GYK » Fri Apr 9, 2021 12:38 am

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Being better/best at the sport.
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Post#58 » by chyau.00 » Fri Apr 9, 2021 12:59 am

ILOVEIT wrote:Vince Carter .... Tracy McGrady were super stars but didn't win much...hmmm

I would say top 2% in NBA skill plust top 2% in desire to win.


it was a different league back then. less focus on advanced stats and more focus on the highlights. Tmac and VC were definitely superstars from a highlights perspective.
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Post#59 » by HMFFL » Fri Apr 9, 2021 1:06 am

Ballerhogger wrote:The only superstars I see currently when healthy
Lebron
Kevin Durant
Harden
Jokic.
Curry!
How often does this change for you?

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Post#60 » by HMFFL » Fri Apr 9, 2021 1:06 am

drchaos wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:The only superstars I see currently when healthy
Lebron
Kevin Durant
Harden
Jokic.
Curry!


Setting the bar a little too high.

I would say there are at least a dozen guys that should qualify as superstars.
A dozen?
Absolutely not!

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