History Alert: LaVine with 39 at halftime

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Re: History Alert: LaVine with 39 at halftime 

Post#41 » by DroseReturnChi » Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:30 am

Jadoogar wrote:Lol since the trade deadline, the Bulls are 3-5. Their 3 wins in the Vuc era were against the Nets (without Harden and Durant), Pacers (without sabonis and Brogdon), and the Raptors (missing most of their team). This Vuc trade is going to look horrible. They're really lucky the teams behind them suck and they'll end up in the playin by default


it was a disaster. two worst defensive starters in Lavine/Vuc so now you cant play Lauri/White at all as starters.
Theres a reason why they are worse post trade because they are the number 1 team in post plays which is a relic of 90s.
I am not even sure if Vuc is a better player than Lauri when he is taking 29 shots to score 32 points. Him and Lavine hate getting free throws. Again, BD seems more interested stat padding Lavine that actually trying to win its disgusting.

I would sell lavine/vuc in draft night and get suggs/kuminga with Lauri as the number 1 option.
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Re: History Alert: LaVine with 39 at halftime 

Post#42 » by Tim Kempton » Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:11 am

Lalouie wrote:11 more pts and the bulls losing by 10 to atl

biggest empty stater in the nba


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Re: History Alert: LaVine with 39 at halftime 

Post#43 » by SalmonsSuperfan » Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:53 am

Zan Tabacco wrote:Empty stats.

like, i'm disappointed the bulls lost, but how do you call a 50 point game "empty stats." that was one of the best individual halves of bball i've ever seen. then they were triple teaming him in the second half, and other guys couldn't make open shots.

the discourse on the GB needs to be better. at least, watch games and have informed opinions before talking ****.
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Re: History Alert: LaVine with 39 at halftime 

Post#44 » by DaddyCool19 » Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:57 am

PD28 wrote:Still can't believe Wolves chose to keep Wiggins over Lavine lol



IIRC Thibs wanted to keep him and the pick and offer Wiggins instead. But the owner didn't agree to it and the rest is history.
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Re: History Alert: LaVine with 39 at halftime 

Post#45 » by raleigh » Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:09 am

It's exceedingly low effort to call a 50-point game "empty stats." Lavine was sensational.
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Re: History Alert: LaVine with 39 at halftime 

Post#46 » by Hugi Mancura » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:55 pm

Lalouie wrote:11 more pts and the bulls losing by 10 to atl

biggest empty stater in the nba


I think he ain't even the worst in Bulls. Vucevic is fighting for that spot. It is hard to build a team around two all star's when they are also two of the worst defenders in the team.
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Re: History Alert: LaVine with 39 at halftime 

Post#47 » by Infinite Llamas » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:48 pm

I mean, Jokic scored 50 against the Kings and lost, so it does happen, and it doesn’t mean that the stats are empty. It often means that the rest of the team forgets how to play ball. Tatum was having a career night and if Minnesota had pulled off the upset, no one was gonna blame him for the loss, I can guarantee you that.
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Re: History Alert: LaVine with 39 at halftime 

Post#48 » by hippesthippo » Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:53 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:
Jadoogar wrote:Lol since the trade deadline, the Bulls are 3-5. Their 3 wins in the Vuc era were against the Nets (without Harden and Durant), Pacers (without sabonis and Brogdon), and the Raptors (missing most of their team). This Vuc trade is going to look horrible. They're really lucky the teams behind them suck and they'll end up in the playin by default


it was a disaster. two worst defensive starters in Lavine/Vuc so now you cant play Lauri/White at all as starters.
Theres a reason why they are worse post trade because they are the number 1 team in post plays which is a relic of 90s.
I am not even sure if Vuc is a better player than Lauri when he is taking 29 shots to score 32 points. Him and Lavine hate getting free throws. Again, BD seems more interested stat padding Lavine that actually trying to win its disgusting.

I would sell lavine/vuc in draft night and get suggs/kuminga with Lauri as the number 1 option.


Lauri looks hopeless out there. One play in particular stood out when he ran the floor and tried to get a deep seal. One of the Hawks skinny centers straight up manhandled him and just pushed him back out of the paint with very little effort. Lauri looked shook.

Lauri has no position on defense and his only skill on offense is his mediocre jump shot. Yi Jianlin might be his best comparison.

Vuc also looks like a bad fit right now. He occupies the same spots on the floor that Thad Young was playing from and now both of them don't know where to be.
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Re: History Alert: LaVine with 39 at halftime 

Post#49 » by Zan Tabacco » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:09 pm

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Zan Tabacco wrote:Empty stats.

like, i'm disappointed the bulls lost, but how do you call a 50 point game "empty stats." that was one of the best individual halves of bball i've ever seen. then they were triple teaming him in the second half, and other guys couldn't make open shots.

the discourse on the GB needs to be better. at least, watch games and have informed opinions before talking ****.


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Re: History Alert: LaVine with 39 at halftime 

Post#50 » by JonFromVA » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:14 pm

So, for the benefit of those of us who didn't watch the game ...

LaVine ended up with 50pts on 31 shots, was -3, and the Bulls lost by 12.

Trae Young had 42 points on 25 shots and was +20 for the Hawks,
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Post#51 » by Cabbage bulls » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:42 pm

JonFromVA wrote:So, for the benefit of those of us who didn't watch the game ...

LaVine ended up with 50pts on 31 shots, was -3, and the Bulls lost by 12.

Trae Young had 42 points on 25 shots and was +20 for the Hawks,

It's embarrassing how bad of a defensive coach Billy Donovan is. Was this a known fact? He let Trae Young torch Coby White 1v1 the entire 2nd half. Did not attempt a double team ONCE. He just let Trae Young get easy buckets against Coby White (horrible, horrible defender) the entire time. It was mind boggling.

OKC fans, was Billy always a bad defensive coach?
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Re: History Alert: LaVine with 39 at halftime 

Post#52 » by Cabbage bulls » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:44 pm

Breaking news: Jordan's 69 point effort hereby declared an "empty stat effort" due to loss.
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Re: History Alert: LaVine with 39 at halftime 

Post#53 » by bisme37 » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:45 pm

My guy Tatum had 53 and 10 in an actual win last night and absolutely no one cares lol.
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Re: History Alert: LaVine with 39 at halftime 

Post#54 » by Myth » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:54 pm

JonFromVA wrote:So, for the benefit of those of us who didn't watch the game ...

LaVine ended up with 50pts on 31 shots, was -3, and the Bulls lost by 12.

Trae Young had 42 points on 25 shots and was +20 for the Hawks,

-3 when your team lost by 12 can mean you slowed the bleeding (when you play big minutes at least).
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Re: History Alert: LaVine with 39 at halftime 

Post#55 » by pipfan » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:58 pm

Lavine was incredible
Sato and Young were very bad
PWill and Lauri were non existent
Vuc was fine-Thiess only played 12 minutes
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Re: History Alert: LaVine with 39 at halftime 

Post#56 » by cool007 » Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:06 pm

Hugi Mancura wrote:
Lalouie wrote:11 more pts and the bulls losing by 10 to atl

biggest empty stater in the nba


I think he ain't even the worst in Bulls. Vucevic is fighting for that spot. It is hard to build a team around two all star's when they are also two of the worst defenders in the team.


If anyone calls Lavine the worst defender, they don't know jack **** about basketball or have not watched Lavine all year long.
He is not a lock down defender (but he had his moments) but he is atleast an average defender. Helds his own, moves his feet really well and also has gotten a ton better on off ball help defense - even with Billy is one of the worst defensive coach.

Regarding Lavine's 50 points? He was nothing short of spectacular in the 1st half and as soon as the 2nd half started, Hawks coach McMillan decided to not double but triple team Zach at the HALFCOURT and build a wall. Lavine did not force anything and started passing to open guys and no one was able to do anything other than Vuc a bit and a few early 4th buckets from Coby. Look at the stats of Sato/PWill/Thad (other starters). Lavine had almost everyone forget how to score/play basketball at both ends of the floor.

Now look at Young, he had 5 players in double figures and other with 9 (Lou Will). He had plenty of help and timely buckets/defense by their role players. While Billy did not do anything to adjust like McMillan did for Hawks.

If it wasn't for Lavine''s heroic, Bulls would have been blown out right from the start.
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Re: History Alert: LaVine with 39 at halftime 

Post#57 » by Optms » Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:45 pm

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Cabbage bulls wrote:Loss is on Billy Donovan. Pathetic.
How about not posting premature threads like this. Don't blame Billy Donovan. You should instead hold the L up high and embrace it.

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LaVine also is holding this L

How in the hell do you score 39 in the first half but barely score double figures in the second in a loss? This was like sex that lasts 3 minutes. What a sham.
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Re: History Alert: LaVine with 39 at halftime 

Post#58 » by Optms » Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:47 pm

Infinite Llamas wrote:I mean, Jokic scored 50 against the Kings and lost, so it does happen, and it doesn’t mean that the stats are empty. It often means that the rest of the team forgets how to play ball. Tatum was having a career night and if Minnesota had pulled off the upset, no one was gonna blame him for the loss, I can guarantee you that.


Context matters here.

LaVine got the bulk of that 50 entirely in the first half. So unless Jokic blew his load early and was mediocre down the stretch in that Kings loss then the 2 performances are not the same. Even so, Jokic gets the benefit of the doubt because he's an impactful player. LaVine does not.
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Re: History Alert: LaVine with 39 at halftime 

Post#59 » by JonFromVA » Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:16 pm

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Hugi Mancura wrote:
Lalouie wrote:11 more pts and the bulls losing by 10 to atl

biggest empty stater in the nba


I think he ain't even the worst in Bulls. Vucevic is fighting for that spot. It is hard to build a team around two all star's when they are also two of the worst defenders in the team.


If anyone calls Lavine the worst defender, they don't know jack **** about basketball or have not watched Lavine all year long.
He is not a lock down defender (but he had his moments) but he is atleast an average defender. Helds his own, moves his feet really well and also has gotten a ton better on off ball help defense - even with Billy is one of the worst defensive coach.

Regarding Lavine's 50 points? He was nothing short of spectacular in the 1st half and as soon as the 2nd half started, Hawks coach McMillan decided to not double but triple team Zach at the HALFCOURT and build a wall. Lavine did not force anything and started passing to open guys and no one was able to do anything other than Vuc a bit and a few early 4th buckets from Coby. Look at the stats of Sato/PWill/Thad (other starters). Lavine had almost everyone forget how to score/play basketball at both ends of the floor.

Now look at Young, he had 5 players in double figures and other with 9 (Lou Will). He had plenty of help and timely buckets/defense by their role players. While Billy did not do anything to adjust like McMillan did for Hawks.

If it wasn't for Lavine''s heroic, Bulls would have been blown out right from the start.


LaVine has got to be bad at something, or else why are the Bulls and pretty much every team he's ever been on better with him off the floor than on?

The Bulls have a 116.9 defensive rating when LaVine's on the floor, and now with Wendell Carter gone, not sure there's anybody else with a worse number.
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