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Magics playmaking skills as a 6'8 PG*, and passing ability were comparable to Stephs Shooting and moving off the ball.

They feel like they are very equal in a lot of ways in terms of overall impact.

The thing that Magic has over almost every point guard was the fact that he played Center his rookie season when Kareem went out to win the finals. His body and build were big enough in that ERA.

It's hard comparison, based on Magics MVPs, Championships it's going to be awfully hard for Curry to catch him to get the be the greatest PG of all time.

Curry is #2 on my list now ahead of Oscar.

I'm not moving this thread 6 pages in, but in the future, please make these threads on the Player Comparison Board. This is your final warning. If you do this again your thread-making privileges will be revoked.
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its hard to compare eras

there might be an argument that curry is more skilled at basketball due to his lack of physical advantages, but magics passing/IQ/team leading is nothing to scoff at.
the only other argument could be that curry changed the game more.

both have had clutch and chokes in the playoffs (tragic magic).

but accomplishments, which is a major point in ranking, clearly has magic ahead.
5 chips, 3fmvps, 3mvps, 9 times 1st team.

there isn't a reasonable path for curry to be ahead of magic, unless he grabs another mvp, 1 or 2 fmvps, and 1 or 2 chips-- then it can be a argument. have to see how his career pans out, but hes already missed 1 year last year, and this year with klay out, curry wont add any hardware.

Steph is as much a PG as Duncan was a PF

mdonnelly1989 wrote:Magics playmaking skills as a 6'8 PG*, and passing ability were comparable to Stephs Shooting and moving off the ball.

They feel like they are very equal in a lot of ways in terms of overall impact.

The thing that Magic has over almost every point guard was the fact that he played Center his rookie season when Kareem went out to win the finals. His body and build were big enough in that ERA.

It's hard comparison, based on Magics MVPs, Championships it's going to be awfully hard for Curry to catch him to get the be the greatest PG of all time.

Curry is #2 on my list now ahead of Oscar.

Magic couldn't be a full time center in that era, nor would it make sense to use him there.

HeartBreakKid wrote:

mdonnelly1989 wrote:Magics playmaking skills as a 6'8 PG*, and passing ability were comparable to Stephs Shooting and moving off the ball.

They feel like they are very equal in a lot of ways in terms of overall impact.

The thing that Magic has over almost every point guard was the fact that he played Center his rookie season when Kareem went out to win the finals. His body and build were big enough in that ERA.

It's hard comparison, based on Magics MVPs, Championships it's going to be awfully hard for Curry to catch him to get the be the greatest PG of all time.

Curry is #2 on my list now ahead of Oscar.

Magic couldn't be a full time center in that era, nor would it make sense to use him there.

I feel it inappropriate and inaccurate for Magic's playmaking skills to be compared to Steph's shooting and off ball skills the way presented in mdonnelly1989's post and suggesting they are equivalent. That's comparing one aspect of Magic's game to two aspects of Curry's. If that's what you have to do to make Magic look equivalent then it's a stretch. Curry is more skilled.

Magic as far as I can tell was never in a position like Curry in 2013 or this year. Magic has always played on very good teams. If Curry has been doubted for his ability to carry a bad team then Magic should face even more scrutiny.

I don't think the extra rings or MVPs make it a hard comparison at all. Bird is compared with Magic all the time. Curry has records and one of his MVPs was unanimous. A Curry vs. Larry Bird comparison in some ways makes more sense to me.

This is silly. Why is this necessary?

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WarriorGM wrote:I feel it inappropriate and inaccurate for Magic's playmaking skills to be compared to Steph's shooting and off ball skills the way presented in your post and suggesting they are equivalent. That's comparing one aspect of Magic's game to two aspects of Curry's. If that's what you have to do to make Magic look equivalent then it's a stretch. Curry is more skilled.

You can add Magic's post game, which is GOAT level. You can also add his transition game - again, GOAT level.

These two are the most skilled players ever, they just use their skills in much different way.

Curry is still below CP3 in my all time PG list. You have your opinion and I have mine, doesn’t mean it’s thread worthy.

Don't we have a compare forum for exactly these purposes? Why make this in the general board?

curry is an sg and would be so alongside magic.
dray is the one with pg level apg

Impuniti wrote:Don't we have a compare forum for exactly these purposes? Why make this in the general board?

They don't allow for real discussion over there only ossified takes.

WarriorGM wrote:

Impuniti wrote:Don't we have a compare forum for exactly these purposes? Why make this in the general board?

They don't allow for real discussion over there only ossified takes.

Weren't you banned because you kept making threads about Curry, while picking a fight with anyone who disagreed with you?

Like Bird at SF and MJ at SG, I think Magic has PG locked down maybe forever. Steph isn't a PG anyway. And point forwards like Luka and Lebron are their own separate position. Magic was a true PG.

Dutchball97 wrote:

WarriorGM wrote:

Impuniti wrote:Don't we have a compare forum for exactly these purposes? Why make this in the general board?

They don't allow for real discussion over there only ossified takes.

Weren't you banned because you kept making threads about Curry, while picking a fight with anyone who disagreed with you?

I tried to warn them of the silliness of their takes, how their forum is an echo chamber, and the dubious and spurious way they were conducting one of their projects, but instead of taking my warnings seriously they chose to muzzle. If that's how they handle dissenting opinion then the integrity of the discussion over their is ashes. I wonder how many of those in the "Curry has been totally exposed" thread drew confidence from the conclusions of that ostentatiously erudite forum but learned to their dismay the conclusions drawn there were built upon flimsy matchsticks.

WarriorGM wrote:

Dutchball97 wrote:

WarriorGM wrote:
They don't allow for real discussion over there only ossified takes.

Weren't you banned because you kept making threads about Curry, while picking a fight with anyone who disagreed with you?

I tried to warn them of the silliness of their takes, how their forum is an echo chamber, and the dubious and spurious way they were conducting one of their projects, but instead of taking my warnings seriously they chose to muzzle. If that's how they handle dissenting opinion then the integrity of the discussion over their is ashes. I wonder how many of those in the "Curry has been totally exposed" thread drew confidence from the conclusions of that ostentatiously erudite forum but learned to their dismay the conclusions drawn there were built upon flimsy matchsticks.

PC Board is the best place for basketball discussion. My opinions are not popular across the board, yet I never had any problems with mods.

Maybe calling everyone wrong and assuming that you are always right, all while worshipping one player 100% time isn't the best way to discuss about basketball..?

WarriorGM wrote:

Dutchball97 wrote:

WarriorGM wrote:
They don't allow for real discussion over there only ossified takes.

Weren't you banned because you kept making threads about Curry, while picking a fight with anyone who disagreed with you?

I tried to warn them of the silliness of their takes, how their forum is an echo chamber, and the dubious and spurious way they were conducting one of their projects, but instead of taking my warnings seriously they chose to muzzle. If that's how they handle dissenting opinion then the integrity of the discussion over their is ashes. I wonder how many of those in the "Curry has been totally exposed" thread drew confidence from the conclusions of that ostentatiously erudite forum but learned to their dismay the conclusions drawn there were built upon flimsy matchsticks.

Large majority of people in the Curry exposed thread ridiculed the OP for his biased Curry bashing though. I'm not sure why you think the PC board is anti-Curry as a whole. Is it because he was ranked only 24th in the top 100?

Dutchball97 wrote:

WarriorGM wrote:

Dutchball97 wrote:
Weren't you banned because you kept making threads about Curry, while picking a fight with anyone who disagreed with you?

I tried to warn them of the silliness of their takes, how their forum is an echo chamber, and the dubious and spurious way they were conducting one of their projects, but instead of taking my warnings seriously they chose to muzzle. If that's how they handle dissenting opinion then the integrity of the discussion over their is ashes. I wonder how many of those in the "Curry has been totally exposed" thread drew confidence from the conclusions of that ostentatiously erudite forum but learned to their dismay the conclusions drawn there were built upon flimsy matchsticks.

Large majority of people in the Curry exposed thread ridiculed the OP for his biased Curry bashing though. I'm not sure why you think the PC board is anti-Curry as a whole. Is it because he was ranked only 24th in the top 100?

My only reaction to that compromised project was that Curry as the 24th selection made the list a farce—and I only bothered to say that because Curry was leading in the voting for 23rd spot but then the one tallying the votes disregarded a couple of votes for Curry for who knows what reason—so Chris Paul could be selected instead. The entire situation was risible.

Curry being selected 24th makes that list a farce on its own, the circumstances around it made it much more so. Apparently such warranted criticism was too much for them over there. No matter. As far as I'm concerned anyone who supported the fallout looks as silly as those backing the premise of the Curry is totally exposed thread.

It should have been obvious to anyone early on that knows basketball that Curry has a ticket stamped for the all-time NBA top 10 barring a disaster. That the denizens of that forum are resistant or would take affront to the idea that Curry could be mentioned or compared to any other great basketball player be it Magic or Jordan just shows how little they know. As probably the most prescient poster when it comes to Curry that posted over there I consider my being barred from posting there an honor and an indictment on that forum's closed-mindedness.

70sFan wrote:Maybe calling everyone wrong and assuming that you are always right, all while worshipping one player 100% time isn't the best way to discuss about basketball..?

Should Curry ever universally become considered the greatest basketball player ever I will take great delight and satisfaction in knowing I recognized his greatness while a forum supposedly full of learned basketball aficionados devoted to basketball discussion that does nothing but endlessly compare and rank basketball players completely missed the boat.

WarriorGM wrote:

Dutchball97 wrote:

WarriorGM wrote:
I tried to warn them of the silliness of their takes, how their forum is an echo chamber, and the dubious and spurious way they were conducting one of their projects, but instead of taking my warnings seriously they chose to muzzle. If that's how they handle dissenting opinion then the integrity of the discussion over their is ashes. I wonder how many of those in the "Curry has been totally exposed" thread drew confidence from the conclusions of that ostentatiously erudite forum but learned to their dismay the conclusions drawn there were built upon flimsy matchsticks.

Large majority of people in the Curry exposed thread ridiculed the OP for his biased Curry bashing though. I'm not sure why you think the PC board is anti-Curry as a whole. Is it because he was ranked only 24th in the top 100?

My only reaction to that compromised project was that Curry as the 24th selection made the list a farce—and I only bothered to say that because Curry was leading in the voting for 23rd spot but then the one tallying the votes disregarded a couple of votes for Curry for who knows what reason—so Chris Paul could be selected instead. The entire situation was risible.

Curry being selected 24th makes that list a farce on its own, the circumstances around it made it much more so. Apparently such warranted criticism was too much for them over there. No matter. As far as I'm concerned anyone who supported the fallout looks as silly as those backing the premise of the Curry is totally exposed thread.

It should have been obvious to anyone early on that knows basketball that Curry has a ticket stamped for the all-time NBA top 10 barring a disaster. That the denizens of that forum are resistant or would take affront to the idea that Curry could be mentioned or compared to any other great basketball player be it Magic or Jordan just shows how little they know. As probably the most prescient poster when it comes to Curry that posted over there I consider my being barred from posting there an honor and an indictment on that forum's closed-mindedness.

You do get that's just your opinion though, right? I voted for Curry around 15th because I think his prime already stacks up well among the best ever but different people have different criteria for All-Time lists. If someone values single season peak over anything else or the opposite scenario with people where even replacement level seasons hold significant sway, what about that makes it a farce?

You were the only one making a big deal out of it though because it wasn't a couple of votes that were disregarded, be honest.

WarriorGM wrote:

70sFan wrote:Maybe calling everyone wrong and assuming that you are always right, all while worshipping one player 100% time isn't the best way to discuss about basketball..?

Should Curry ever universally become considered the greatest basketball player ever I will take great delight and satisfaction in knowing I recognized his greatness while a forum supposedly full of learned basketball aficionados devoted to basketball discussion that does nothing but endlessly compare and rank basketball players completely missed the boat.

So you basically admited that all your criticims is because not all think Curry is basketball God. It shows who is truly open minded and who's not...