Pinkyring wrote:Miami and lac should make the call this summer for Westbrook
Yes! LAC, MIA, and CHI.
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Pinkyring wrote:Miami and lac should make the call this summer for Westbrook
Young gun 6 wrote:Wizards:
19-13 when Russ scores a Triple Double
11-22 when he doesn't
Empty stats though...
GeorgeSears wrote:Westbrook is a great example in why you can't just look at raw stats. He's still one of the most inefficient players in the league and is contributing factor to the Wizards fighting for a play-in position in the East.
nate33 wrote:GeorgeSears wrote:Westbrook is a great example in why you can't just look at raw stats. He's still one of the most inefficient players in the league and is contributing factor to the Wizards fighting for a play-in position in the East.
See my post about 5 posts above.
Westbrook was awful when he was playing with a quad injury.
Since getting healthy, the Wizards have been a solid team. They've been exceptional with Westbrook healthy and Beal healthy.
I don't understand what your argument is but don't see how the points here work or build to something. Chris Paul is effective because he knows what he's good at and knows how to put his teammates in situation they're good at, there's a rare precision/calculatedness to his game which makes him more valuable than his raw numbers. Westbrook now mostly just runs around like crazy, takes any shot he gets, sometimes makes great passes and as often creates unforced turnovers. I still really like watching Westbrook but he's a chaos machine, and he tends to run hot and cold, looking brilliant sometimes and pretty awful/team-wrecking sometimes. And at this point it seems like we know that he's not creating much positive impact out there, or at least not relative to how much he takes up; Westbrook's teams haven't been very good when he's been using massive volume, so that means he's not 'Paul-like' in his impact. I'd also add that all of the advanced stats are unanimous in him not being very good now and, limited as advanced stats are, this is exactly the type of thing they help determine.JN61 wrote:Yes. Nobody else is that low on TS but also nobody is remotely that high (but Harden) on assists or rebounds. You also see massive difference how they play when he is off the floor. Running around like headless chickens. Westbrook's leadership and floor management is almost Paul-like. Not everything is about shooting in this game. Otherwise Warriors would be way higher on standings.HotelVitale wrote: The fact that you have to omit how he has a 50% TS to make a case tells you what you need to know. There's probably not a single other person on that list who's shooting below around 56% TS, and most of the guys are probably near or above 60%. I just don't see a way that a guy who's so inefficient that he actually has negative offensive win shares this year is one of the best 15 players in the league.
nate33 wrote:I used to be a Westbrook hater, but since he joined the Wizards and I got a chance to watch him every night, he has made me a believer.
Yeah, I know he is inefficient with too many missed shots and turnovers, but his relentless energy is infectious. Also, his assists are legit. He's not just driving and kicking for contested jumpers, he feeds the big men for dunks time and time again. He has made Alex Len, Robin Lopez and Daniel Gafford all look like All-Stars.
pcbothwel wrote:Are we just ignoring the fact that Russ said post game that he had a torn quad at the end of last year and coming into this year he had a partial tear to the OTHER quad!!!
Last 47 games: 22 / 12 / 11.5 on a TS of 51%, 2.4:1 AST:TOV ratio and ORtg of 105
Last 16 games: 22 / 13.5 / 13 on a TS of 53.5%, 2.8:1 AST:TOV ratio and ORtg of 113 and Wiz are 13-3
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1) His rebounds are real. Sure, when a guy grabs the sheer volume Russ does you can always point to 1 or 2 that a teammate could of gotten. But he constantly pulls down contested rebounds he had no business getting, and when he does he pushes the pace which is why we are 1st in the league in pace.
2) His assist are real. As others have said, he doesnt just drive and kick out to shooters. He manipulates the defense and gifts bigs with easy baskets. See above
QPR wrote:He might be the most underrated playmaker of all time.
pcbothwel wrote:Are we just ignoring the fact that Russ said post game that he had a torn quad at the end of last year and coming into this year he had a partial tear to the OTHER quad!!!
Last 47 games: 22 / 12 / 11.5 on a TS of 51%, 2.4:1 AST:TOV ratio and ORtg of 105
Last 16 games: 22 / 13.5 / 13 on a TS of 53.5%, 2.8:1 AST:TOV ratio and ORtg of 113 and Wiz are 13-3
Is it coincidence that Lopez is having a career year at 33, or Len in his 8th year after being waived by Toronto... or how about Gafford looking like a top 8 Center in the NBA after being practically given away by the Bulls?
This thread is about a generationally great stat line, yet people act like its just bloated number with usage.
"Chucker", yet scores 14 points on 8 FGA
"Assist didnt matter, teams combined for almost 300 points", ok.. then why did he only have 6 turnovers to his 24 assist (4:1)?
Like other Wiz fans... I was always a detractor, until I watched him day in/out.
1) His rebounds are real. Sure, when a guy grabs the sheer volume Russ does you can always point to 1 or 2 that a teammate could of gotten. But he constantly pulls down contested rebounds he had no business getting, and when he does he pushes the pace which is why we are 1st in the league in pace.
2) His assist are real. As others have said, he doesnt just drive and kick out to shooters. He manipulates the defense and gifts bigs with easy baskets. See above
He has his faults, but it's strange how people cant seem to believe he is still a top 10-12 PG in the league
Tacoma wrote:QPR wrote:He might be the most underrated playmaker of all time.
That he is. But his shooting efficiency is just sad. If he can do more playmaking and less shooting, his team would be better off...
QPR wrote:He might be the most underrated playmaker of all time.
picko wrote:kieferli wrote:I am not sure if anyone want to face them in first round
Do you really think that any of the top Eastern Conference teams are concerned about Westbrook and the Wizards? Each of the Nets, 76ers and Bucks would expect to win that series in five-games max.
JN61 wrote:In the nutshell Pacers played good defense (wouldn't know from numbers), but Westbrook picked them apart. Wizards on other hand can't play defense (way better as of late granted) so they pretty much always let their opponents score a lot. What is noteworthy they played on extremely high pace but that is to be expected from Wizards games.
They are the fastest paced offense in the league and apparently on the pace to play the fastest pace in the last 30 years? If that is not Russ effect I don't know what is. He turned last year's Houston 2nd fastest pace team while before his arrival that team was dead last. Westbrook getting rebound and him running has insane effect on teams he plays.
https://youtu.be/dqb4rDWpiTc
here are highlights video if you interested. If I remember right, Westbrook bricked 2 shots which he rebounded and scored after, I believe all but one turnover were results of overpassing, still 6 turnovers in 24 assists seems very acceptable. He basically picked Pacers apart, a lot of shots that he assisted on were very well contested as well but he delivered a lot of them to sweet spots of players. Not just easy 3 point wide open heaves that you pray go in. But constant barrage of inside, inside, inside passes.
Like I said earlier in the thread, respect needs to be given where it is due.magee wrote:Tacoma wrote:QPR wrote:He might be the most underrated playmaker of all time.
That he is. But his shooting efficiency is just sad. If he can do more playmaking and less shooting, his team would be better off...
Understandable. With Westbrook, you will never have that option, because he will always be the players he is. And as a result, it leads to the playoffs on every team he's been on. He's missed what, maybe his first three years, of making the playoffs? Doesn't matter who his teammates were beforehand. He's a proven winner. If anything, this Wizards team post All-Star Break is proof of that.