YogurtProducer wrote: cgf wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Not really. He’s been really good don’t get me wrong, but I don’t think he’s been better than Sabonis and both are better but not miles over Siakam.
My point is the talent in the NBA is stacked right now and a guy like Siakam whose a 21-7-5 with good defence guy isn’t even discussed because there’s no much talent.
That was my point that those lower level guys from 15-30 are entirely “what have you done for me lately”. Siakam was 2nd all-nba averaging 23/7/3.5 and now isn’t even a top 25 player averaging 21/7/4.5 on identical efficiency.
...because you are under-rating quite how good he has been...
How do? Sabonis is the much efficient scorer and IMO is better suited for playoff basketball.
Defense is hard to judge but I don’t think Randles D is enough to push him ahead of Sabonis.
Randle was actually better on a per minute basis offensively outside of his playmaking while in NOP and no one even considered him a top 50 guy let alone top 20. It’s recency bias at its finest.
I can understand why someone trying to argue for Sabonis would like to ignore the defensive side of the game
...how do I even respond to your last paragraph? 'If we ignore this fundamental aspect of what is making Randle so good this season, he was better in New Orleans on a per minute basis'...okay then, let's start with: No, he wasn't, even if we set Randle's playmaking this season aside for now, he has become an excellent 3pt shooter, which has made him so much more dangerous as a scorer than he was coming off the bench behind AD & Boogie.
Then let's recognize that scaling up your playing time makes it a lot harder to maintain impressive "per minute" production, so that managing to do so is a significant sign of improvement. Not only because larger sample sizes minimize the impact of luck, but also because a guy playing 37 minutes a night as the engine of his team's offense faces completely different defensive attention from the opposition than a 6th man does when he's torching bench units.
Next let's loop back to this "if we ignore his playmaking" thing...Randle becoming an excellent playmaker (like becoming a top tier 3pt shooter) completely changed his game & the impact he is capable of making. How well he takes advantage of his increased gravity to create good looks for his team-mates is an absolutely massive part of what has made him so exceptional this season. You can't just ignore it because it's inconvenient for the "point" you think you are making.
Finally...you can't call a list of the top 25 players this season out for recency bias. Focusing on this season was the whole damn point of the exercise