Defensively, is Rudy Gobert the Aaron Donald of the Nba?

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Yes theyre in similar standings
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No, its disrespectful to Donald hes a far more dominant player
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Re: Defensively, is Rudy Gobert the Aaron Donald of the Nba? 

Post#21 » by righterwriter » Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:39 am

GSP wrote:Is he?



Why don't you tell us why they are comparable, aside from winning DPOY 3x?
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Post#22 » by KqWIN » Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:42 am

righterwriter wrote:
GSP wrote:Is he?



Why don't you tell us why they are comparable, aside from winning DPOY 3x?


Yeah I don’t know why the most accomplished defensive football player of his generation is comparable to the most accomplished defensive basketball player of his generation.

What a dumb comparison to make.
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Re: Defensively, is Rudy Gobert the Aaron Donald of the Nba? 

Post#23 » by Frozzy » Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:00 am

Aaron Donald is notorious for being undersized for his position, his position in the NFL is also more important IMO so no
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Re: Defensively, is Rudy Gobert the Aaron Donald of the Nba? 

Post#24 » by Jazztop » Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:08 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:Aaron Donald has a solid case to be the GOAT linemen in terms of all around play. Gobert is not a top 10 defender of all time, and nowhere near GOAT level.


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If Draymond is #1 all time the Gobert is certainly in the top 10.

In all seriousness, you could say Mutumbo, Hakeem, Wallace, Duncan and Russell are better pure big man defenders but you also have to acknowledge that the league was more paint-oriented in the 80’s and 90’s. Gobert would have averaged 20, 14 and 6bpg in 1990
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Post#25 » by Winsome Gerbil » Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:11 am

The who?
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Re: Defensively, is Rudy Gobert the Aaron Donald of the Nba? 

Post#26 » by Frank Dux » Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:27 am

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NO-KG-AI wrote:Aaron Donald has a solid case to be the GOAT linemen in terms of all around play. Gobert is not a top 10 defender of all time, and nowhere near GOAT level.


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I disagree with your take on Gobert. Name ten defenders better?


Garnett
Duncan
Hakeem
Wallace
Green
Bill Russell
Rodman
Robinson
Leonard
Howard
Mutumbo

It's not that hard.
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Re: Defensively, is Rudy Gobert the Aaron Donald of the Nba? 

Post#27 » by NO-KG-AI » Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:33 am

True Sports wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:Aaron Donald has a solid case to be the GOAT linemen in terms of all around play. Gobert is not a top 10 defender of all time, and nowhere near GOAT level.


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I disagree with your take on Gobert. Name ten defenders better?

Bill Russell
Tim Duncan
Hakeem Olajuwon
David Robinson
Kevin Garnett
Patrick Ewing
Alonzo Mourning
Ben Wallace
Dwight Howard

These are locks in a similar role, and I think there are a lot of guys that have a solid case, and are less exploitable and able to be played off the floor by small guards. Like I’d take Draymond during GS’s run over Gobert.


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Re: Defensively, is Rudy Gobert the Aaron Donald of the Nba? 

Post#28 » by GSP » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:08 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:
True Sports wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:Aaron Donald has a solid case to be the GOAT linemen in terms of all around play. Gobert is not a top 10 defender of all time, and nowhere near GOAT level.


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I disagree with your take on Gobert. Name ten defenders better?

Bill Russell
Tim Duncan
Hakeem Olajuwon
David Robinson
Kevin Garnett
Patrick Ewing
Alonzo Mourning
Ben Wallace
Dwight Howard

These are locks in a similar role, and I think there are a lot of guys that have a solid case, and are less exploitable and able to be played off the floor by small guards. Like I’d take Draymond during GS’s run over Gobert.


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During Warriors run Draymond also had Iggy and Klay with him. One of the best defensive wings of the past 20 years and in Klay arguably the best defender against Pgs in the league.

I think Draymond is prolly better defensively but Rudy hasnt had as much defensive support next to him. The best wing/perimeter defenders Rudy has had are Ingles (pretty good but nothing special), Crowder (good) and Royce Oneale (average). Draymond also had Kd for 3 years who's a better defender than all the ones Rudy had for his support

Its not like guards havent lit up Draymond anchored Warriors either
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Post#29 » by 70sFan » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:58 am

Jazztop wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:Aaron Donald has a solid case to be the GOAT linemen in terms of all around play. Gobert is not a top 10 defender of all time, and nowhere near GOAT level.


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If Draymond is #1 all time the Gobert is certainly in the top 10.

In all seriousness, you could say Mutumbo, Hakeem, Wallace, Duncan and Russell are better pure big man defenders but you also have to acknowledge that the league was more paint-oriented in the 80’s and 90’s. Gobert would have averaged 20, 14 and 6bpg in 1990

There is no reason to believe that Gobert would average more blocks per game than Hakeem, Robinson or Mutombo. They were more agressive shotblockers (especially Hakeem), while Gobert is more similar to Duncan with his shotblocking style. Even Mark Eaton never reached 6 bpg and he was larger than Gobert.
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Re: Defensively, is Rudy Gobert the Aaron Donald of the Nba? 

Post#30 » by 70sFan » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:00 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:
True Sports wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:Aaron Donald has a solid case to be the GOAT linemen in terms of all around play. Gobert is not a top 10 defender of all time, and nowhere near GOAT level.


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I disagree with your take on Gobert. Name ten defenders better?

Bill Russell
Tim Duncan
Hakeem Olajuwon
David Robinson
Kevin Garnett
Patrick Ewing
Alonzo Mourning
Ben Wallace
Dwight Howard

These are locks in a similar role, and I think there are a lot of guys that have a solid case, and are less exploitable and able to be played off the floor by small guards. Like I’d take Draymond during GS’s run over Gobert.


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I'd actually entertain Gobert over Wallace and Mourning, but you also didn't mention Wilt and Thurmond. Then if we're talking about peaks only, then Walton was also better.
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Re: Defensively, is Rudy Gobert the Aaron Donald of the Nba? 

Post#31 » by righterwriter » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:02 am

KqWIN wrote:
righterwriter wrote:
GSP wrote:Is he?



Why don't you tell us why they are comparable, aside from winning DPOY 3x?


Yeah I don’t know why the most accomplished defensive football player of his generation is comparable to the most accomplished defensive basketball player of his generation.

What a dumb comparison to make.


Because Aaron Donald is dominant without limitations, while Gobert gets completely exploited against a fast paced, spread offense.

Or did you forget the Warriors-Jazz WC Semifinals?

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Re: Defensively, is Rudy Gobert the Aaron Donald of the Nba? 

Post#32 » by GSP » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:12 am

righterwriter wrote:
KqWIN wrote:
righterwriter wrote:
Why don't you tell us why they are comparable, aside from winning DPOY 3x?


Yeah I don’t know why the most accomplished defensive football player of his generation is comparable to the most accomplished defensive basketball player of his generation.

What a dumb comparison to make.


Because Aaron Donald is dominant without limitations, while Gobert gets completely exploited against a fast paced, spread offense.

Or did you forget the Warriors-Jazz WC Semifinals?



Aaron Donald has been exploited by pass heavy spread offenses i mean it literally just happened against the Packers months ago even before his injury he wasnt doing much
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Re: Defensively, is Rudy Gobert the Aaron Donald of the Nba? 

Post#33 » by 70sFan » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:12 am

righterwriter wrote:
KqWIN wrote:
righterwriter wrote:
Why don't you tell us why they are comparable, aside from winning DPOY 3x?


Yeah I don’t know why the most accomplished defensive football player of his generation is comparable to the most accomplished defensive basketball player of his generation.

What a dumb comparison to make.


Because Aaron Donald is dominant without limitations, while Gobert gets completely exploited against a fast paced, spread offense.

Or did you forget the Warriors-Jazz WC Semifinals?


Every defense that faced 2017 Warriors got exposed... this is ridiculous. Of course Gobert without good defenders around him couldn't contain GOAT level offense.

When was the last time he got "exploited" again? Certainly not against Houston and certainly not so far this season.
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Re: Defensively, is Rudy Gobert the Aaron Donald of the Nba? 

Post#34 » by righterwriter » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:30 am

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righterwriter wrote:
KqWIN wrote:
Yeah I don’t know why the most accomplished defensive football player of his generation is comparable to the most accomplished defensive basketball player of his generation.

What a dumb comparison to make.


Because Aaron Donald is dominant without limitations, while Gobert gets completely exploited against a fast paced, spread offense.

Or did you forget the Warriors-Jazz WC Semifinals?



Aaron Donald has been exploited by pass heavy spread offenses i mean it literally just happened against the Packers months ago even before his injury he wasnt doing much


How can a offense exploit an interior defensive lineman? Please explain that one to me, because it sounds nonsensical.

Here's the thing, analysts and peers call Donald the most dominant force in football, with some (like Troy Aikman) calling him the best defender they've ever seen. If you as an offense don't devote numerous blockers to him, he can singlehandedly destroy your offense.

Rudy Gobert is a regular season shotblocker/rebounder becomes obsolete if you have an opposing center that can beat him down the court and shoot from the perimeter. He gets no mention of being an all-timer and is considered DPOY in a time when there really are not many other noteworthy candidates to compete against.

It's a huge chasm between the two in terms of impact. So yeah, thats why its a simpleminded comparison. Unless you want to go deeper into explaining your thoughts on why it is a good comparison.
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Re: Defensively, is Rudy Gobert the Aaron Donald of the Nba? 

Post#35 » by NO-KG-AI » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:35 am

Aaron Donald is arguably the best player ever at his position and on his side of the ball, and numbers back that up. Gobert is not analogous there.

Also, people are arguing that Gobert would break all the block record in other eras? He’s not even the premier shot blocker from a numbers stand point in his own era. Anthony Davis has led the league in blocks per game more, and has the higher career average as of now.


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Post#36 » by dk1115 » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:41 am

Who's Donald Aaron?
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Post#37 » by Tim Kempton » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:13 am

random_hero891 wrote:
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random_hero891 wrote:NBA fan, who dat?


Best defensive tackle in the Nfl. 3x Dpoy


I think the NFL is better suited to display dominance in a single field better than any other sport, it's full of elite specialists, rather than versatility demanded of other sports.


You don't even know who Aaron Donald is, yet you're ready to offer your commentary on the versatility of NFL players? Please spare us any further football related opinions.
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Post#38 » by GreatWhiteStiff » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:19 am

Realgm told me you can exploit gobert easily in the playoffs when you match up against h
Is Donald also easily exploitable in a playoff setting?
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Re: Defensively, is Rudy Gobert the Aaron Donald of the Nba? 

Post#39 » by Young gun 6 » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:42 am

Frank Dux wrote:
True Sports wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:Aaron Donald has a solid case to be the GOAT linemen in terms of all around play. Gobert is not a top 10 defender of all time, and nowhere near GOAT level.


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I disagree with your take on Gobert. Name ten defenders better?


Garnett
Duncan
Hakeem
Wallace
Green
Bill Russell
Rodman
Robinson
Leonard
Howard
Mutumbo

It's not that hard.



No skin in this argument. Please don’t tell me that’s Kawhi Leonard though?

Would nearly fall off of my chair laughing if someone had him in the top 10 defenders of all time.
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Re: Defensively, is Rudy Gobert the Aaron Donald of the Nba? 

Post#40 » by random_hero891 » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:01 pm

Tim Kempton wrote:
random_hero891 wrote:
GSP wrote:
Best defensive tackle in the Nfl. 3x Dpoy


I think the NFL is better suited to display dominance in a single field better than any other sport, it's full of elite specialists, rather than versatility demanded of other sports.


You don't even know who Aaron Donald is, yet you're ready to offer your commentary on the versatility of NFL players? Please spare us any further football related opinions.


How many touchdowns a season does he average?

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