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Not sure if he's talking in a 3 on 3 or actual team game.

2011 Lebron > 2021 Durant
2011 Wade >= 2021 Harden
2011 Bosh >= 2021 Irving

Before anyone says anything, don't post Wade's numbers while playing with Lebron to tell me he was washed. That is the sacrifice required to win. It would be the same if Harden/Durant/Kyrie actually played more than 7 games together. It wouldn't mean Harden is washed but the opportunity to post absurd numbers is a lot less and requires a different skill set.

Bosh was the better fit as a big man who can compliment the other 2 stars better than Kyrie can as the 3rd star scoring guard.

Maybe as they were, and if you count fit.

Prime LeBron and Prime Wade are the two best playoff performers in the discussion by a lot though.


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Tor_Raps wrote:Lebron > Durant
Wade >= Harden
Bosh >= Irving

Before anyone says anything, don't post Wade's numbers while playing with Lebron to tell me he was washed. That is the sacrifice required to win. It would be the same if Harden/Durant/Kyrie actually all played together. It wouldn't mean Harden is washed but the opportunity to post absurd numbers is a lot less and requires a different skill set.

Bosh was the better fit as a big man who can compliment the other 2 stars better than Kyrie can as the 3rd star scoring guard.

Honestly, DWade by 2012 really wasn't as good as Harden is now, and I'd argue he was barely better than Kyrie, if at all. The thing about Harden and Kyrie is that they're both elite shooters, and we saw them all put up pretty amazing numbers even when all three of them played. There really wasn't an obvious sacrifice, Harden just played more of a facilitator role and kyrie played more off ball and KD played the way he always did. Wade was never that level of off-ball threat and couldn't seamlessly fit with lebron in the same way. Offensively, he was a little worse playing with Brown.

But Bosh, I just don't get that one other than health. Kyrie is an elite shooter and really just a much better scorer than Bosh. Not as good of a defender, but a far better playmaker. Bosh averaged like 14/7/1.5 on I think decent efficiency in the playoffs w. the heat. Kyrie was putting up like 24/6/5 on like 48/37/93 and about 59 TS% before he went down. There's no situation where Kyrie would average that small of an amount of points. There were times when the Heat needed more, but Bosh simply couldn't do it.

As a whole, I think it's pretty clear the Nets Big 3 was better because all three of those guys can shoot and essentially do everything on or off the ball. Any one of them can initiate the offense, any one of them can drop 30 or 40 points, any one of them can handle the ball in transition, any one of them can hit 5 or 6 threes in a game. DWade was still probably just as good as Harden or KD or even a little better in 2011, but 2k12-2k14 those injuries made him a lot less effective.

LakerLegend wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/chris-bosh-nets-big-3-233225695.html

Not sure if he's talking in a 3 on 3 or actual team game.

Lol, narrative control at its finest.

"Yeah we grouped up as free agents but look at what the nets tried to do". Toronto hasn't forgot how you spurned them Chris Bosh.

Looks like someone in the media has an agenda to place a negative spotlight on the Nets big 3 for what they tried to do this season.

The issue is when they do better next season, what happens to this rhetoric? (they will from my perspective).

Tor_Raps wrote:Lebron > Durant
Wade >= Harden
Bosh >= Irving

Before anyone says anything, don't post Wade's numbers while playing with Lebron to tell me he was washed. That is the sacrifice required to win. It would be the same if Harden/Durant/Kyrie actually all played together. It wouldn't mean Harden is washed but the opportunity to post absurd numbers is a lot less and requires a different skill set.

Bosh was the better fit as a big man who can compliment the other 2 stars better than Kyrie can as the 3rd star scoring guard.

You're lying to no one but yourself if you think 2012-2014 Wade was better than current James Harden.

I guess Wade also deliberately sacrificed his health in those years too right?

How about they win something 1st.

There's a whole bunch of folks who are trying to figure out how to argue that Miami's big three was better than NJ's is without admitting that James was/is better than Durant.

The only thing that might put the Heat Big 3 over the Nets is that Lebron is clearly the best out of all the players.

It's clearly a better fit on offense. Bosh had to turn himself into a floor spacing role playing C and Wade had to dial his game back because all three guys wanted to operate in the same area. Miami big three are way better on D tho.

Lebron > Kd
Wade > Irving
Harden > bosh

-Sammy- wrote:There's a whole bunch of folks who are trying to figure out how to argue that Miami's big three was better than NJ's is without admitting that James was/is better than Durant.

That's the difference maker right there.

Were the Big 3 Heat better than the Big 3 Nets? as of now of course they won 2 rings to 0 so far in BK. Who lead in getting those 2 rings? well it wasn't Wade or Bosh doing so no matter what revisions people are trying to push.

The Big 3 Nets are unique in that all 3 of them are in what should be their primes/peaks at the exact same time.

Bosh: Because I wasn't much of a "3"

kbitboc wrote:The only thing that might put the Heat Big 3 over the Nets is that Lebron is clearly the best out of all the players.

LeBron is better if the teams are not good. I would argue that Durant is a higher ceiling raiser than LeBron. The Miami big 3 was relatively healthy every year, and realistically they didn’t dominate any year. Shaq/Kobe had 01, MJ had 96, GSW had 2017, there was no Miami team with all 3 that you could say is a ATG team, even though the talent individually is overwhelming. Dwayne Wade is a top 3 SG and on par with Kobe peak wise.

IMO:

LeBron = Durant due to ceiling
Harden > Wade
Irving > Bosh

Nets Big 3 as constructed would have been dominant this playoffs if they were heathy. Even without Harden they were destroying the Bucks, and the Bucks would be the second best team Miami big 3 has ever faced, second to the 2014 Spurs.

Pelly24 wrote:

Tor_Raps wrote:Lebron > Durant
Wade >= Harden
Bosh >= Irving

Before anyone says anything, don't post Wade's numbers while playing with Lebron to tell me he was washed. That is the sacrifice required to win. It would be the same if Harden/Durant/Kyrie actually all played together. It wouldn't mean Harden is washed but the opportunity to post absurd numbers is a lot less and requires a different skill set.

Bosh was the better fit as a big man who can compliment the other 2 stars better than Kyrie can as the 3rd star scoring guard.

Honestly, DWade by 2012 really wasn't as good as Harden is now, and I'd argue he was barely better than Kyrie, if at all. The thing about Harden and Kyrie is that they're both elite shooters, and we saw them all put up pretty amazing numbers even when all three of them played. There really wasn't an obvious sacrifice, Harden just played more of a facilitator role and kyrie played more off ball and KD played the way he always did. Wade was never that level of off-ball threat and couldn't seamlessly fit with lebron in the same way. Offensively, he was a little worse playing with Brown.

But Bosh, I just don't get that one other than health. Kyrie is an elite shooter and really just a much better scorer than Bosh. Not as good of a defender, but a far better playmaker. Bosh averaged like 14/7/1.5 on I think decent efficiency in the playoffs w. the heat. Kyrie was putting up like 24/6/5 on like 48/37/93 and about 59 TS% before he went down. There's no situation where Kyrie would average that small of an amount of points. There were times when the Heat needed more, but Bosh simply couldn't do it.

As a whole, I think it's pretty clear the Nets Big 3 was better because all three of those guys can shoot and essentially do everything on or off the ball. Any one of them can initiate the offense, any one of them can drop 30 or 40 points, any one of them can handle the ball in transition, any one of them can hit 5 or 6 threes in a game. DWade was still probably just as good as Harden or KD or even a little better in 2011, but 2k12-2k14 those injuries made him a lot less effective.

Very good retort. I was considering 2011 Wade with the first year of Harden. It is the only reason why I said he was better than Harden. We will see how Harden looks in the next few years and compare those years with Wade's 2012-2014.

I picked Bosh as the 3rd star because he can do more things to compliment the other 2 stars by just being a big man (rebounding, interior scoring, pick and rolls, defense, etc.).

Those numbers with all 3 playing are far too small of a sample size to determine anything. They played like 7 games together all year.

D.Brasco wrote:

Tor_Raps wrote:Lebron > Durant
Wade >= Harden
Bosh >= Irving

Before anyone says anything, don't post Wade's numbers while playing with Lebron to tell me he was washed. That is the sacrifice required to win. It would be the same if Harden/Durant/Kyrie actually all played together. It wouldn't mean Harden is washed but the opportunity to post absurd numbers is a lot less and requires a different skill set.

Bosh was the better fit as a big man who can compliment the other 2 stars better than Kyrie can as the 3rd star scoring guard.

You're lying to no one but yourself if you think 2012-2014 Wade was better than current James Harden.

I guess Wade also deliberately sacrificed his health in those years too right?

I was comparing 2011 Wade to 2021 Harden. We will see how Harden looks in the following years to compare properly. Harden just went through an injury plagued year.

He's probably right. LeBum marginalized Wade and Bosh.

That's obviously not a problem with KD.

James>Harden
Wade>Kyrie
Bosh<Durant

Heat are better

or maybe

Durant>Wade
Harden>Bosh
Irving<James

Nets are better

Long story short: this style of comparison is useless

NO-KG-AI wrote:Maybe as they were, and if you count fit.

Prime LeBron and Prime Wade are the two best playoff performers in the discussion by a lot though.


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heat big 3 had a lot of weakness. bron and wade fit was terrible for all time greats bron had to quit.
funny thing is bosh was as important as prime wade to win ring.

Tor_Raps wrote:2021 Lebron > 2021 Durant
2011 Wade >= 2021 Harden
2011 Bosh >= 2021 Irving

That's not how it works.

Unless you really believe this, too

Dirk > LeBron
Terry > Wade
Chandler > Bosh