Post-Mortem: 2020-21 Phoenix Suns

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4 Questions

Poll ended at Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:44 am

Q1: Keep the GM
33
22%
Q1: Fire the GM
2
1%
Q2: Keep the coach
33
22%
Q2: Fire the coach
3
2%
Q3: Performed better than expected
37
25%
Q3: Performed as expected
1
1%
Q3: Performed worse than expected
2
1%
Q4: Rising Team
29
19%
Q4: Treadmill Team
8
5%
Q4: Waning Team
3
2%
 
Total votes: 151

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Re: Post-Mortem: 2020-21 Phoenix Suns 

Post#21 » by DCasey91 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:40 pm

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DCasey91 wrote:Also moving Cam Johnson to the starting unit could be the go. Looks ready.

Gotta find a better backup big. Nance at the Cavs would be handy imo


Cam Johnson needs to put on a few more pounds IMO if hes going to start.

Crowder at this point is still the best option for them, unless they do some sort of move or trade in FA.


Suns are going to be smallish anyway, I do like Cam at that spot. Nance added size on the bench.

Sell high buy low. I do think the team is capped somewhat on the ceiling (CP3/size) but it’s perfectly setup for success though.

Work around the margins sort of thing. But the core of Booker/Mikal/Ayton/Johnson is very good and will get better.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2020-21 Phoenix Suns 

Post#22 » by Pharmcat » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:46 pm

Monty Williams was terrible in the finals. They need to get him a defensive coordinator
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2020-21 Phoenix Suns 

Post#23 » by GSWFan1994 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:47 pm

They should have at least a 2 or 3 year window to compete for a title and maybe even improve some parts of the roster.

Beyond that it's hard to tell, mainly because CP3 will be really old by then and also because their cap will be tied to an Ayton/Booker/Bridges core, which will add to roughly 100 mi/year, limiting other ways to improve the rest of the team.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2020-21 Phoenix Suns 

Post#24 » by DCasey91 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:50 pm

Pharmcat wrote:Monty Williams was terrible in the finals. They need to get him a defensive coordinator


They really couldn’t do much honestly. Remember they were 2-1 down against a similar setup with AD/Lebron

Switchable elite bigs that play tall and small crushes smaller types all ends up. They had trouble with the Clippers too.

I mean even on paper the size differential is big time. Then add exp/prime as heck age and a best player in the comp or near enough on the other side. It was actually Bud that needed to adjust and he thankfully did. Just monster the boards ggs.

79 ORB! Five guys over ten ORBS for the Bucks it’s too much in the end.

Lakers got 70 last year. Huge important stat differential.

Small ball is dead and buried imho.

37 point difference over the last 4 games so basically a 9 point spread.

Watching the game it was literally Ayton and a tree of bigs on the other side lol.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2020-21 Phoenix Suns 

Post#25 » by pj0tr » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:51 pm

Pharmcat wrote:Monty Williams was terrible in the finals. They need to get him a defensive coordinator


He wasn't great for sure, but he pushed all the right buttons all year, and really between him and James Jones, he re-established a winning culture in Phoenix for the first time since the Nash years.

Even last year, before the bubble, if Ayton doesn't get suspended for 25 games, Phoenix makes the playoffs IMO without needing the play-in.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2020-21 Phoenix Suns 

Post#26 » by DCasey91 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:58 pm

I mean honestly what could Monty do? The blitzkrieg pace approach worked because Bud tried to run with them and Giannis was underdone game one.

Exactly like the Hawks once they realized they could just get free offensive rebounds it was ggs from then on. Interior got smashed inwards with only one true sized big whose young and can’t guard Giannis in fact AD would get monstered too.

Size matters.

Look at the size of Holiday, Middleton, Lopez, Portis, Pat, Tucker. Then you have a headache in Giannis which Suns legitimately have no one.

Only Crowder and Ayton has size that’s it that’s the list right there.

Paul is an easier cover then Giannis obviously.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2020-21 Phoenix Suns 

Post#27 » by bisme37 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:59 pm

Congrats on an amazing season Suns fans. You guys were great. This playoff run was incredible experience and your team will be back more seasoned and stronger than ever.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2020-21 Phoenix Suns 

Post#28 » by radeonboy » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:47 pm

Thought the Suns would win. Wanted them to win. I don't see this team making it back to the finals. This was the year where they could have had it. I've seen this too many times to various sports teams where they make the finals after sucking for so long, almost win it but don't and end up never being able to get back to the same point. Suns blew it. I don't expect to see them in the finals for some time again.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2020-21 Phoenix Suns 

Post#29 » by og15 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:06 pm

Pharmcat wrote:Monty Williams was terrible in the finals. They need to get him a defensive coordinator

What were his options? The roster didn't really have options for him to drastically adjust how he was able to defend.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2020-21 Phoenix Suns 

Post#30 » by og15 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:08 pm

radeonboy wrote:Thought the Suns would win. Wanted them to win. I don't see this team making it back to the finals. This was the year where they could have had it. I've seen this too many times to various sports teams where they make the finals after sucking for so long, almost win it but don't and end up never being able to get back to the same point. Suns blew it. I don't expect to see them in the finals for some time again.

Without a dominant star or overall dominant team (in your conference), the likelihood of making back to back finals is extremely low to basically none. So yes, I have zero expectations of them making it again. Of course I also didn't expect them to make it this time either, but twice in a row? Can't see it.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2020-21 Phoenix Suns 

Post#31 » by Pharmcat » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:10 pm

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Pharmcat wrote:Monty Williams was terrible in the finals. They need to get him a defensive coordinator

What were his options? The roster didn't really have options for him to drastically adjust how he was able to defend.



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Re: Post-Mortem: 2020-21 Phoenix Suns 

Post#32 » by Marvin Martian » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:11 pm

Fire Monty Williams. He was outcoached. The Nets gave him the blueprint for beating Giannis when they had no defensive personnel, and Monty couldn't even do that
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2020-21 Phoenix Suns 

Post#33 » by Marvin Martian » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:13 pm

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Pharmcat wrote:Monty Williams was terrible in the finals. They need to get him a defensive coordinator

What were his options? The roster didn't really have options for him to drastically adjust how he was able to defend.

The Nets had no defenders and they shut down MIL offense easily. Build the wall and let the erratic Holiday and Middleton chuck the ball at a 30% clip.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2020-21 Phoenix Suns 

Post#34 » by xdrta+ » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:48 pm

HerroBalls wrote:Do you give CP3 100M?! That’s the real question.


Only if you're insane.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2020-21 Phoenix Suns 

Post#35 » by ANTETOKOUNBROS » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:06 pm

The Suns lacked depth in the front court defensively to slow a physical team like the Bucks, that was the one thing that they were missing and is the key to forming a Giannis wall. The Suns were built to defeat any other team other than one that is headed offensively by a guy like Giannis. The Bucks style lets them play in their element which is one of physical attrition. The Suns only chances to pull away and sustain leads came from unsustainable shotmaking from distance.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2020-21 Phoenix Suns 

Post#36 » by skones » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:53 pm

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HerroBalls wrote:Do you give CP3 100M?! That’s the real question.


Only if you're insane.


It'd be more insane to not pay him and take a mammoth step back next season.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2020-21 Phoenix Suns 

Post#37 » by EArl » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:58 pm

skones wrote:
xdrta+ wrote:
HerroBalls wrote:Do you give CP3 100M?! That’s the real question.


Only if you're insane.


It'd be more insane to not pay him and take a mammoth step back next season.

They have to pay him so he can stay. Without CP3, they're a first round team at best. Maybe not even make it through the play in tournament.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2020-21 Phoenix Suns 

Post#38 » by xdrta+ » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:06 pm

EArl wrote:
skones wrote:
xdrta+ wrote:
Only if you're insane.


It'd be more insane to not pay him and take a mammoth step back next season.

They have to pay him so he can stay. Without CP3, they're a first round team at best. Maybe not even make it through the play in tournament.


I don't believe that. Besides, with him they're not a championship team, as was proven. You really want to hamstring yourself for the next 3 years, overpaying a 36-39 year old? Foolish.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2020-21 Phoenix Suns 

Post#39 » by ILOVEIT » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:11 pm

Ayton, like Hero and Duncan last year, just way overrated.
Name me one actual skill move he made other than dunking or laying in serve ups by CP??
And in the the guy he's defending.....50 points in a must win game.

I guaranteeeeeeeeeeeeeee you that Ayton will have super average numbers next year when CP3 takes off.

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Re: Post-Mortem: 2020-21 Phoenix Suns 

Post#40 » by ANTETOKOUNBROS » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:31 pm

The talent is there, if Paul opts out and comes back for peanuts and give the Suns some room to add defensive talent to the front court, they could come back if Ayton takes another leap.
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