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WeSkrongDen wrote:C3H6N6O6 wrote:thelead wrote:That is an opinion. Please get a dictionary to learn the difference between facts and opinions.
Fact in that sentence is that LeBron was the only all-star on a team that beat a 73-win Warriors team. Irving and Love weren't all-stars.
What are you talking about lol
MostValQuitter wrote:UcanUwill wrote:WeSkrongDen wrote:
It was pretty good. Kyrie was filthy when healthy. His only flaw is durability but he is a legit number 2. Outplayed Curry, the MVP of the league. Thompson was also very good. And Lebron intended to form a super team, it just so happened Love wasn't as good as conventional wisdom.
No championship team is bad, but it wasnt a superteam.
How is Love, Irving, and Lebron not a superteam?
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
Bornstellar wrote:shi-woo wrote:Bornstellar wrote:
This is only the end of the discussion if you don't actually look at context or want to present a disingenuous argument
Magic/Kareem - both top 50 players
Larry/McHale - both top 50 players
Jordan/Pippen - both top 50 players
Kobe/Shaq - both top 50 players
Robinson/Duncan - both top 50 players
Wade/Shaq - both top 50 players
Kobe/Gasol - both top 50 players
Why is is that LeBron is the only player who gets crucified for playing with other top tier talent? Wade was a shell of himself by 2013 and Bosh was never a top 10 player to begin with
Because all of those guys became team mates through organic means, not by collusion and intentional team building to break the competative balance of the league?
None of those guys are viewed as mercenaries for hire. Journeyman used to be a term used for borderline scrubs and roleplayers, now it's used for arguable the best player in the game.
Teams had to give stuff up to get Shaq to MIA. Gasol to LA. KG to BOS. Teams had to draft and make great trades to for nucleus's like Bird/McHale and Jordan/Pippen.
They didn't sit down and form those teams over a class of wine and dinner 3 years before hand
And why do you think a player wanting to dictate his own future is somehow bad but a GM doing the same thing is good? Really trying to understand the real thinking behind this. Again, why is a player taking his destiny in his own hands bad but you all love when a GM does it?
C3H6N6O6 wrote:MostValQuitter wrote:UcanUwill wrote:
No championship team is bad, but it wasnt a superteam.
How is Love, Irving, and Lebron not a superteam?
How can a team with one all-star be a superteam?
Stannis wrote:I know Giannis had a much better team than Lebron's Cavs 1.0.
But a lot of that has to do with Giannis putting in more years with the team and committing early. LeBron kinda checked out his final two years and had a fear of commitment, which left the Cavs FO making pretty bad moves.
Not to mention, LeBron choked in his first year with the Mavs and failed in his final year as well.
I still don't blame LeBron leaving though. The damage was already done. Cavs Front Office was making bad moves and they didn't want to give up JJ Hickson in a Amare package. Plus, you add in the Delonte West sleeping with his mother stuff...
But he shouldn't have joined DWade who already had a ring. Chicago would have been a nice destination but maybe he didn't want to try to hard to follow Jordan's footsteps? Maybe the Knicks who Amar'e actually did ok with. But I still don't think they can't it done. Amare's body was a ticking timebomb.
C3H6N6O6 wrote:WeSkrongDen wrote:C3H6N6O6 wrote:Fact in that sentence is that LeBron was the only all-star on a team that beat a 73-win Warriors team. Irving and Love weren't all-stars.
What are you talking about lol
Irving and Love weren't all-stars in 2016. Don't go into details why that happened please because the whole premise of this thread is to ignore details.
MostValQuitter wrote:C3H6N6O6 wrote:MostValQuitter wrote:
How is Love, Irving, and Lebron not a superteam?
How can a team with one all-star be a superteam?
Both Kevin Love and Irving were allstars the previous year to Lebron joining what is this nonsense.
thelead wrote:C3H6N6O6 wrote:thelead wrote:I just said he hasn't been an all-star since 2013 not that he was a scrub. I was just stating a fact that he hasn't been an all-star in nearly a decade now.
If you just want to state facts and don't want to go into details then LeBron's 2016 ring is the greatest of all time as he was the only all-star on his team that season.
Don't try to come up with a reason behind it. It is a fact. No details matter. Only facts.
That is an opinion. Please get a dictionary to learn the difference between facts and opinions.
babyjax13 wrote:Reminds me a lot of the Spurs in terms of talent distribution. No, Jrue and Middleton are not top 10 players, but they are really good and the team has ancillary pieces that fit perfectly.
Giannis = Duncan
Middleton = Manu
Holiday = Parker
I think Holiday > Parker and Manu > Middleton, but it is a really good team and I bet they win at least one more in the next five years.
C3H6N6O6 wrote:MostValQuitter wrote:C3H6N6O6 wrote:How can a team with one all-star be a superteam?
Both Kevin Love and Irving were allstars the previous year to Lebron joining what is this nonsense.
they weren't in the year they won. That is a fact. Do details only matter when its LeBron and not when it is Giannis?
MostValQuitter wrote:C3H6N6O6 wrote:MostValQuitter wrote:
How is Love, Irving, and Lebron not a superteam?
How can a team with one all-star be a superteam?
Both Kevin Love and Irving were allstars the previous year to Lebron joining what is this nonsense.
WeSkrongDen wrote:C3H6N6O6 wrote:MostValQuitter wrote:
Both Kevin Love and Irving were allstars the previous year to Lebron joining what is this nonsense.
they weren't in the year they won. That is a fact. Do details only matter when its LeBron and not when it is Giannis?
Kyrie missed most of the first half of the season lol. He was coming off knee surgery.
Soulyss wrote:GIMME_DATT wrote:he won without a super team
Don't see it everyday
Yeah he didn't have two other all-stars on his... er... wait a minute... It wasn't a super-team sure.. but it wasn't a bunch of scrubs either.
Congrats to Bucks and Buck Fans! What a wonderful year for you and your team.
zimpy27 wrote:giannis and 1 wrote:zimpy27 wrote:
Yeah a super team is a collection of top players on a team. Superteam word was invented wen Durant joined GSW and they had 5 guys that were top tier (Curry, Klay, Iggy, KD, Green).
Superteam has become synonymous with any team now with 3 or more great all-star level players on the same team.
Your confusing the act of a player joining a superteam to one being built by FO. Bucks are a superteam but Giannis didn't join one to form it.
Only superteams in the league this season were Bucks and Brooklyn. Sixers or Lakers would have been if they traded for Lowry. Problem is Nets and Lakers were unhealthy. Bucks were only healthy superteam in the playoffs. Though losing DDV hurt for sure, it didn't impact their 3 all star level players.
wasn’t that word invented when lebron went to miami?
No it wasn't, it used to be called a Big 3 back then, even when LeBron went to Cavs in 14 it was big 3. It was name from Boston putting together Garnett, Pierce and Ray.
It's just a term that seems to have negative connotations, which is wrong IMO. The actual negative part people have issue with is all-star level players joining to form one in FA or forcing a trade. Somehow the concept of superteam has got mixed with the bad feelings of that aspect. That's what Giannis commented on at end game presser. He didn't join a superteam, he stayed and trusted the FO to build one with him. That is harder because you don't have championship building in your control. I do wonder if Giannis stays a Buck if they don't get Jrue though, so there are some semantics to it.
Pennebaker wrote:Jordan lacks LeBron's mental toughness.
WeSkrongDen wrote:babyjax13 wrote:Reminds me a lot of the Spurs in terms of talent distribution. No, Jrue and Middleton are not top 10 players, but they are really good and the team has ancillary pieces that fit perfectly.
Giannis = Duncan
Middleton = Manu
Holiday = Parker
I think Holiday > Parker and Manu > Middleton, but it is a really good team and I bet they win at least one more in the next five years.
Holiday is not even close to Manu. Like not even in the same ball park as a player.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
C3H6N6O6 wrote:MostValQuitter wrote:C3H6N6O6 wrote:How can a team with one all-star be a superteam?
Both Kevin Love and Irving were allstars the previous year to Lebron joining what is this nonsense.
they weren't in the year they won. That is a fact. Do details only matter when its LeBron and not when it is Giannis?
UcanUwill wrote:MostValQuitter wrote:C3H6N6O6 wrote:How can a team with one all-star be a superteam?
Both Kevin Love and Irving were allstars the previous year to Lebron joining what is this nonsense.
Dude, if Love is part of your big 3, you are not a superteam, whats the matter Love was successful statpadder in Minny, he was bar none by far most overrated player at that time. Irving was the only Lebron teammate reminiscent of star, it was just LeBron, immature Irving and a bunch of role players.
WeSkrongDen wrote:UcanUwill wrote:MostValQuitter wrote:
Both Kevin Love and Irving were allstars the previous year to Lebron joining what is this nonsense.
Dude, if Love is part of your big 3, you are not a superteam, whats the matter Love was successful statpadder in Minny, he was bar none by far most overrated player at that time. Irving was the only Lebron teammate reminiscent of star, it was just LeBron, immature Irving and a bunch of role players.
Immature Irving was a certified beast. And LeGM was the one who wanted Love lol. He wanted another super team.
