Giannis just made a lot of these nba stars look pathetic

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Re: Giannis just made a lot of these nba stars look pathetic 

Post#461 » by Infinite Llamas » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:02 pm

ryguy613 wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:imagine this, x6
thats why MJ is so revered
and people here act like LeBron is even remotely comparable


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Lol Lebron and KD were literally name dropped by the second post. This was never about Giannis. This was about tearing others down who people deemed inferior.
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Re: Giannis just made a lot of these nba stars look pathetic 

Post#462 » by Stannis » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:02 pm

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prime1time wrote:So arbitrary how people decide one team is a super team and one team isn't. Middleton, Giannis and Holliday are all all-stars. Middleton elevated his game in the playoffs. It's hard not to argue that the game 5 performance isn't indicative of being a super team. Praise Giannis for staying in Milwuakee, but the Super Team dig is silly. 60s Celtics were a super team. 80s Lakers were a super team. 80s Celtics were a super team. 90s Bulls were a super team. 2000s Lakers were a super team.

How about this. Rank all NBA finals teams in the last 40 years. Where do the Suns rank? Giannis ekeed out a ring against historically weak competition. Heat, injured Nets, Hawks and Suns. Giannis played great but let's slow down on the hyperbole. This isn't Dirk vs. LBJ's heat or Wade vs. the Mavs. If Giannis wants real respect he's going to have to do it again.

It's more about how they abandoned ship and find the easy path instead of fighting through adversity and showing some pride/loyalty.

I mean people wanna see MJ grow and come back to dethrone the Bad Boys instead of just joining them for example.

Giannis probably would have done the same thing as KD or Lebron if Bucks failed a title by next couple of years..in this current era where stars are constantly judged based on number of rings irrespective of how well they have played, almost all stars would eventually form a suepr team if they fail to win ring by end of their 8th-9th season...in case of Giannis, atleast their Frotn office surrounded him with 2 stars...also, KD did stay at Thunder for 9 seasons before leaving..


Except he didn't. He locked himself in with the super max even when it didn't look likely the Bucks were going to win a title. Everyone was saying 76ers and Nets in the East

That was the biggest difference in him and Lebron in that regard

Giannis kept the morale of his team high by showing commitment. LBJ was a mystery for his final 2 years of his 1st Cavs run, which kinda lead to the Cavs making desperate moves. If LBJ commits, maybe Cavs are willing to part with JJ Hickson and get Amar'e. LBJ and Amar'e might've had a chance
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Re: Giannis just made a lot of these nba stars look pathetic 

Post#463 » by nikster » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:22 pm

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MotownMadness wrote: It's more about how they abandoned ship and find the easy path instead of fighting through adversity and showing some pride/loyalty.

I mean people wanna see MJ grow and come back to dethrone the Bad Boys instead of just joining them for example.

Giannis probably would have done the same thing as KD or Lebron if Bucks failed a title by next couple of years..in this current era where stars are constantly judged based on number of rings irrespective of how well they have played, almost all stars would eventually form a suepr team if they fail to win ring by end of their 8th-9th season...in case of Giannis, atleast their Frotn office surrounded him with 2 stars...also, KD did stay at Thunder for 9 seasons before leaving..


Except he didn't. He locked himself in with the super max even when it didn't look likely the Bucks were going to win a title. Everyone was saying 76ers and Nets in the East

That was the biggest difference in him and Lebron in that regard

Giannis kept the morale of his team high by showing commitment. LBJ was a mystery for his final 2 years of his 1st Cavs run, which kinda lead to the Cavs making desperate moves. If LBJ commits, maybe Cavs are willing to part with JJ Hickson and get Amar'e. LBJ and Amar'e might've had a chance

If you believe that, you just highlighted how completely incompetent that front office was.


LeBron might not have locked in early but there was absolutely no indication he was pressuring the organization. The fact that Gilbert was so caught off gaurd by the decision kinda proves that
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Post#464 » by Sgt Major » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:45 pm

KembaWalker wrote:imagine this, x6
thats why MJ is so revered
and people here act like LeBron is even remotely comparable


THIS THIS THIS


Anyone comparing LeBron to MJ is completely delusional.
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Post#465 » by kbitboc » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:50 pm

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life_saver wrote:
MotownMadness wrote: It's more about how they abandoned ship and find the easy path instead of fighting through adversity and showing some pride/loyalty.

I mean people wanna see MJ grow and come back to dethrone the Bad Boys instead of just joining them for example.

Giannis probably would have done the same thing as KD or Lebron if Bucks failed a title by next couple of years..in this current era where stars are constantly judged based on number of rings irrespective of how well they have played, almost all stars would eventually form a suepr team if they fail to win ring by end of their 8th-9th season...in case of Giannis, atleast their Frotn office surrounded him with 2 stars...also, KD did stay at Thunder for 9 seasons before leaving..


Except he didn't. He locked himself in with the super max even when it didn't look likely the Bucks were going to win a title. Everyone was saying 76ers and Nets in the East

That was the biggest difference in him and Lebron in that regard

Giannis kept the morale of his team high by showing commitment. LBJ was a mystery for his final 2 years of his 1st Cavs run, which kinda lead to the Cavs making desperate moves. If LBJ commits, maybe Cavs are willing to part with JJ Hickson and get Amar'e. LBJ and Amar'e might've had a chance


Giannis basically forced the Bucks to trade/swap all its future draft picks for Jrue before signing his max. Cleveland never got anyone as good as Buck's third best player Jrue for Lebron during his first stint with them. You seriously think Giannis will re-sign with the Bucks if they gave him the same type of players that Cleveland gave Lebron? 7 years is more than enough time for Cleveland to build a much better team than they did.
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Post#466 » by Biff » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:57 pm

Raptor just won a few years ago without a superteam. Spurs a few years before that. Obviously superteams are more common now but it's not like it's impossible without one.
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Post#467 » by Justyce1 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:01 am

Who cares… Giannis is a great player just like KD and Bron.

Too many of y’all get super emotional and tender over what other adult men do.

Ring or no ring, it doesn’t take away from their individual greatness.
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Post#468 » by Jagic Mohnson » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:15 am

You guys argue like those boy band groupies who say backstreet boys are better than nysnc because of this or that reason. Just enjoy greatness because Giannis is legendary and so are Kd and Lebron. This is your generation Bird, Jordan, and Magic.
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Post#469 » by RRyder823 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:17 am

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dcstanley wrote:Imagine if 2009 Lebron won a championship after injuries to Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan, Pau Gasol, Dirk Nowitzki, Carmelo Anthony. Then imagine if his team won two straight playoff games in the conference finals without him during that run. Considering the fact that Lebron gets criticized because his teammates make key shots in the finals, I doubt you would ever hear the end of the asterisk talk.

EXACTLY. All of the sudden nobody wants to take context into account lol. The Bucks closed the ECF without Giannis - LeBron would have gotten murdered for that.
You must of missed when they were calling Giannis Robin and people were trying to act like the Bucks were better without him because they closed out the Hawks with him injured. I get that it was a long time ago but............

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Post#470 » by DaPessimist » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:11 am

LeBron's 2016 ring was more impressive. Kyrie and Love don't make a 'Superteam', and the 73-win defending Champ Warriors were certainly superior to anything the Bucks faced.

A ring is a ring to me though. You can only beat who they put in front of you.
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Post#472 » by WeSkrongDen » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:21 am

Jagic Mohnson wrote:You guys argue like those boy band groupies who say backstreet boys are better than nysnc because of this or that reason. Just enjoy greatness because Giannis is legendary and so are Kd and Lebron. This is your generation Bird, Jordan, and Magic.


Lebron and KD's games have unfortunately been stained by the negative effect they've had on the league and it's culture.
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Post#473 » by WeSkrongDen » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:23 am

DaPessimist wrote:LeBron's 2016 ring was more impressive. Kyrie and Love don't make a 'Superteam', and the 73-win defending Champ Warriors were certainly superior to anything the Bucks faced.

A ring is a ring to me though. You can only beat who they put in front of you.


You realize Giannis had a better finals right? Stats wise it's clear. The Warriors were better but Lebron's teammates were better too. Kyrie is just significantly better than anyone on the Bucks. 3 times all NBA, a future HoFer as long as he stops getting hurt ever year.
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Post#474 » by Antinomy » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:28 am

Lmao at Lebron & KD stans claiming that Giannis didn’t “earn” his ring because he didn’t beat their superteams :lol:
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Post#475 » by DoctorX » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:39 am

This thread turned into a Lebron but I will say this that I felt Lebron did quit in the 2010 playoffs against the Celtics. Cavs should have won it all that year but Lebron gave up too easily after the first 3 games of the Celtics series. I don't blame Lebron for '09 and anything before 2010 but he definitely disappeared in 2010.
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Post#476 » by Deimos » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:02 am

gainnis is speaking facts. winning one the hard way, with the same team has more meaning.

theres so much context that goes with it. sticking through the tough times. losing but just getting better and better. its a great feeling to win like that.

That Mavs championship is a good example, the toronto raptors championship, detroit pistons,

Kobe staying on the same team. Battling through the tough times is another example. staying with one team means something.

being able to join 2 other allstars and win a ring is a lot easier. gainnis couldve done it, Kobe couldve done it. etc.
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Post#477 » by AmIWrongDude » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:11 am

RRyder823 wrote:
AmIWrongDude wrote:
dcstanley wrote:Imagine if 2009 Lebron won a championship after injuries to Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan, Pau Gasol, Dirk Nowitzki, Carmelo Anthony. Then imagine if his team won two straight playoff games in the conference finals without him during that run. Considering the fact that Lebron gets criticized because his teammates make key shots in the finals, I doubt you would ever hear the end of the asterisk talk.

EXACTLY. All of the sudden nobody wants to take context into account lol. The Bucks closed the ECF without Giannis - LeBron would have gotten murdered for that.
You must of missed when they were calling Giannis Robin and people were trying to act like the Bucks were better without him because they closed out the Hawks with him injured. I get that it was a long time ago but............

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Lol I didn't see that but that's ridiculous.
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Post#478 » by kbitboc » Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:44 am

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kbitboc wrote:Lebron's ring last year was not on a super team.


A super team is any team that is formed overnight via forced and collusive trades. Lebron obviously colluded with a top 5 level player in the league, while he was on contract and forced his way into the Lakers. I would classify this as a super team.

Basically a team that is gently developed over time, with good scouting, development, coaching, system, playoff battles, etc. is what you consider a well deserving winner. So yes I agree with the general sentiment that Giannis's rings > Lebron and KD's rings. Particularly KD. The non-super team championship winners of recent years are the bucks obviously, the raptors, and the pre-durant warriors, mavericks.

Even the Spurs (Duncan/Pop), Lakers (Kobe/Gasol and Kobe/Shaq) and Bulls dynasties were all formed pretty organically. Acquired players through the draft and developed them, a trade or two to get them over the top. So i consider those pretty legit championships.

Lebron and Durant have been the primary offenders and deserve only asterisk-championships IMO. I love Lebron's game and root for him on most matchups, but the collusive super-teamy nature of his teams does diminish the quality of his championships, and dont even get me started on Durant.

While Lebron and Durant are the primary offenders that have reaped rewards in the form of championships, the list of unsuccessful offenders is quite long: Harden, Kyrie, AD, the Warriors getting durant, paul george, kawhi(for leaving a system and forcing a trade out while on contract), and several other players. I hope Booker, Doncic, Young, Jokic and the current era of stars learn from Giannis' example and stay for the long haul. create true rivalries like the old days.


So basically it is your perception that they are a superteam but in reality they are not.
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Post#479 » by Clay Davis » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:03 am

life_saver wrote:
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prime1time wrote:So arbitrary how people decide one team is a super team and one team isn't. Middleton, Giannis and Holliday are all all-stars. Middleton elevated his game in the playoffs. It's hard not to argue that the game 5 performance isn't indicative of being a super team. Praise Giannis for staying in Milwuakee, but the Super Team dig is silly. 60s Celtics were a super team. 80s Lakers were a super team. 80s Celtics were a super team. 90s Bulls were a super team. 2000s Lakers were a super team.

How about this. Rank all NBA finals teams in the last 40 years. Where do the Suns rank? Giannis ekeed out a ring against historically weak competition. Heat, injured Nets, Hawks and Suns. Giannis played great but let's slow down on the hyperbole. This isn't Dirk vs. LBJ's heat or Wade vs. the Mavs. If Giannis wants real respect he's going to have to do it again.

It's more about how they abandoned ship and find the easy path instead of fighting through adversity and showing some pride/loyalty.

I mean people wanna see MJ grow and come back to dethrone the Bad Boys instead of just joining them for example.

Giannis probably would have done the same thing as KD or Lebron if Bucks failed a title by next couple of years..in this current era where stars are constantly judged based on number of rings irrespective of how well they have played, almost all stars would eventually form a suepr team if they fail to win ring by end of their 8th-9th season...in case of Giannis, atleast their Frotn office surrounded him with 2 stars...also, KD did stay at Thunder for 9 seasons before leaving..


How many MVPs has Jrue Holiday won? How many MVPs do you think Khris Middleton has been snubbed for?

KD has been surrounded by superstar talent literally his entire career. There's a massive difference between your team making moves and internally developing talent versus jumping ship to join a loaded team or colluding with other players to form a super team. It's really not at all complicated.
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Post#480 » by naabzor » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:14 am

I think you need to understand that in the grand scheme of things, Giannis got lucky. Yes, props to him to stuck to the same team and try to win with them but it's not like the Bucks in the last years were a bunch of scrubs, they were consistently one of the top team in the NBA. Then the opportunity show up and he was able to took it. Great job by Giannis. But there is no way I think he would have won the title without all those injuries. This is more or less the same thing the Raptors did: no way they win a title without multiple star players on the other team blowing their knees or achilles. But in the end history is written by the winner so Bucks and Raptors somehow won and congrats to them. It's now easy for Giannis to spit all these savvy lines because he just won. Put Lillard in his place and he is going to looks a bit pathetic, or Carmelo Anthony or any other star that stuck to one team just to lose year in and year out.

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