My brand new top 50 ranking after 2021 Finals results. What do you think?

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My brand new top 50 ranking after 2021 Finals results. What do you think? 

Post#1 » by Magic Is Magic » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:43 am

Hello community,

I created an all-time NBA ranking formula metrics and every year I update the numbers after the playoffs have concluded. The obvious big mover after 2021 is Giannis but his career is still young and he did not jump as many spots as most people think but the good news is he has so many more years to build on his steady foundation. At the end of 2020 Giannis was 38th and now after his impressive 2021 showing he is ranked 31 according to my formula. Like I'm saying his career is still so early he has plenty of time to keep rising. So does Curry, Harden and Durant but for guys like Westbrook his best years are well behind him. I use a 25-point ranking system that takes many things into consideration, things like MVP winners, FMVP winners, Rings, All NBA 1st team and 2nd team, All Defensive 1st and 2nd team, Top 3 MVP finishes, Top 5 MVP finishes, Top 3 Rebounding, Top 5 rebounding, PER over 25.0, WS/48 over .250, BPM over 7.0 (these are all looked at for RS and PO), All star selections, and other categories. After all these data points and calculations here is what the results produced from my "Magic is Magic, Magic Formula"

1 ...LeBron James = 87.76
2 ...Michael Jordan = 85.02
3 ...Kareem A-Jabbar = 72.92
4 ...Tim Duncan = 57.79
5 ...Bill Russell = 56.13
6 ...Wilt Chamberlain = 54.99
7 ...Magic Johnson = 48.61
8 ...Shaquille O'Neal = 46.63
9 ...Kobe Bryant = 42.73
10 ...Larry Bird = 39.21

11 ...Hakeem Olajuwon = 35.54
12 ...Kevin Durant = 33.25
13 ...Karl Malone = 32.76
14 ...Jerry West = 32.13
15 ...Dirk Nowitzki = 31.22
16 ...Moses Malone = 28.59
17 ...David Robinson = 28.39
18 ...Oscar Robertson = 28.37
19 ...Chris Paul = 28.18
20 ...George Mikan = 27.85
21 ...Bob Cousy = 27.78
22 ...Kevin Garnett = 27.44
23 ...Julius Erving = 27.40
24 ...Bob Pettit = 26.49
25 ...Kawhi Leonard = 23.91
26 ...James Harden = 23.63
27 ...Charles Barkley = 22.78
28 ...John Havlicek = 22.39
29 ...John Stockton = 21.81
30 ...Stephen Curry = 21.31
31 ...Giannis Antetekuompo = 21.23
32 ...Dwyane Wade = 20.52
33 ...Dolph Schayes = 20.06
34 ...Jason Kidd = 20.04
35 ...Elgin Baylor = 18.81
36 ...Willis Reed = 17.61
37 ...Scottie Pippen = 17.41
38 ...Steve Nash = 17.40
39 ...Russell Westbrook = 16.82
40 ...Elvin Hayes = 14.37
41 ...Rick Barry = 14.02
42 ...Walt Frazier = 13.82
43 ...Anthony Davis = 13.32
44 ...Allen Iverson = 13.11
45 ...George Gervin = 13.05
46 ...Patrick Ewing = 12.50
47 ...Isiah Thomas = 12.00
48 ...Paul Pierce = 10.86
49 ...Bill Walton = 10.78
50 ...Artis Gilmore = 10.50

Giannis' impressive run jumped him up from 38 to 31 where he passed up
Elgin Baylor
Scottie Pippen
Jason Kidd
Willis Reed
Russell Westbrook
Dwyane Wade

His combination of winning DPOY, FMVP, 2 MVPs with a lot of strong seasons has almost leaped him into top 30. I expect him to have a chance at top 10 if he can keep up his impressive play and suppress KD from winning MVP or FMVP he has strong for top 10.

**UPDATED LIST on PAGE FIVE**
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Post#2 » by ANTETOKOUNBROS » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:44 am

Can I see the formula?
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Post#3 » by Tim Kempton » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:47 am

Karl Malone at 13... Well done!
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Post#4 » by Magic Is Magic » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:51 am

ANTETOKOUNBROS wrote:Can I see the formula?


I can try to tweak it a bit but the 25 categories are weighted in different ways and the formula would be a lot unpack right now. My formula was focused on giving balanced value to rings, peak play, and longevity and I feel this formula did a pretty good job. Which players seem too high or too low?
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Post#5 » by Freighttrain » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:29 am

Magic Is Magic wrote:
ANTETOKOUNBROS wrote:Can I see the formula?


I can try to tweak it a bit but the 25 categories are weighted in different ways and the formula would be a lot unpack right now. My formula was focused on giving balanced value to rings, peak play, and longevity and I feel this formula did a pretty good job. Which players seem too high or too low?


It's definitely not a bad list but some feel off to me. Paul over Curry doesn't make a whole lot of sense. That seems to be putting too much value on longevity and not peak and impact. Harden over Curry is also an outlier in that formula of yours I think.
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Post#6 » by SUPERVILLAIN » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:35 am

Curry is ranked 30th. Meanwhile CP3 is 19th and Harden is 26th.

Sorry but this ranking is a total bullsh*t.
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Post#7 » by Big J » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:35 am

Curry at 30 is idiotic. Rip this **** up and try again.
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Post#8 » by GSWFan1994 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:49 am

Obligatory "X player I like is not ranked as high as I want, so this sucks" post.
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Post#9 » by HayKee » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:02 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:Obligatory "X player I like is not ranked as high as I want, so this sucks" post.

Honestly. "This is garbage because I disagree with x over y". **** out of here RealGM, obviously it's not perfect but it's a **** formula bro.
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Post#10 » by Harry Garris » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:10 pm

SUPERVILLAIN wrote:Curry is ranked 30th. Meanwhile CP3 is 19th and Harden is 26th.

Sorry but this ranking is a total bullsh*t.


No, it isn't. The problem with ranking all time players it that any list that even slightly differs from your own you're going to completely write off and say it's all garbage. You have to look at these things objectively and say okay the formula doesn't completely line up with what I personally believe... but maybe we can make adjustments to it. Or maybe the way I personally feel is subjective and incorrect.

When everything's just based on our own personal biases and emotionally reacting to everything there is no way you will be able to look at someone else's all time list and not react negatively.
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Post#11 » by WarriorGM » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:13 pm

Harry Garris wrote:
SUPERVILLAIN wrote:Curry is ranked 30th. Meanwhile CP3 is 19th and Harden is 26th.

Sorry but this ranking is a total bullsh*t.


No, it isn't. The problem with ranking all time players it that any list that even slightly differs from your own you're going to completely write off and say it's all garbage. You have to look at these things objectively and say okay the formula doesn't completely line up with what I personally believe... but maybe we can make adjustments to it. Or maybe the way I personally feel is subjective and incorrect.

When everything's just based on our own personal biases and emotionally reacting to everything there is no way you will be able to look at someone else's all time list and not react negatively.


Most of the time I'd agree with you.

But this list is total BS. :)
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Post#12 » by MavfanAus » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:15 pm

Harry Garris wrote:
SUPERVILLAIN wrote:Curry is ranked 30th. Meanwhile CP3 is 19th and Harden is 26th.

Sorry but this ranking is a total bullsh*t.


No, it isn't. The problem with ranking all time players it that any list that even slightly differs from your own you're going to completely write off and say it's all garbage. You have to look at these things objectively and say okay the formula doesn't completely line up with what I personally believe... but maybe we can make adjustments to it. Or maybe the way I personally feel is subjective and incorrect.

When everything's just based on our own personal biases and emotionally reacting to everything there is no way you will be able to look at someone else's all time list and not react negatively.



Great post mate, so very true.
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Post#13 » by SUPERVILLAIN » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:17 pm

Harry Garris wrote:
SUPERVILLAIN wrote:Curry is ranked 30th. Meanwhile CP3 is 19th and Harden is 26th.

Sorry but this ranking is a total bullsh*t.


No, it isn't. The problem with ranking all time players it that any list that even slightly differs from your own you're going to completely write off and say it's all garbage. You have to look at these things objectively and say okay the formula doesn't completely line up with what I personally believe... but maybe we can make adjustments to it. Or maybe the way I personally feel is subjective and incorrect.

When everything's just based on our own personal biases and emotionally reacting to everything there is no way you will be able to look at someone else's all time list and not react negatively.

Okay. So you think it's acceptable to rank the game changer, Stephen Curry 30th in the all time ranking? Moreover he is ranked lower than CP3 and Harden?

If you don't think that's a fatal mistake then stop playing.
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Post#14 » by MavfanAus » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:20 pm

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Harry Garris wrote:
SUPERVILLAIN wrote:Curry is ranked 30th. Meanwhile CP3 is 19th and Harden is 26th.

Sorry but this ranking is a total bullsh*t.


No, it isn't. The problem with ranking all time players it that any list that even slightly differs from your own you're going to completely write off and say it's all garbage. You have to look at these things objectively and say okay the formula doesn't completely line up with what I personally believe... but maybe we can make adjustments to it. Or maybe the way I personally feel is subjective and incorrect.

When everything's just based on our own personal biases and emotionally reacting to everything there is no way you will be able to look at someone else's all time list and not react negatively.

Okay. So you think it's acceptable to rank the game changer, Stephen Curry 30th in the all time ranking? Moreover he is ranked lower than CP3 and Harden?

If you don't think that's a fatal mistake then stop playing.


I don't think that's what he was implying.

Hell I don't agree with the rankings either. But this is nothing more than an opinion piece. If it were an official list, I could understand why you are so emotional about it.
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Post#15 » by Mike87 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:22 pm

Pretty solid overall after a quick glance. Curry really the only one that I feel is way out of position but I imagine FMVP's, which he should have one, hold a lot of weight in the formula and is the main reason for this.
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Post#16 » by SUPERVILLAIN » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:25 pm

MavfanAus wrote:
SUPERVILLAIN wrote:
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No, it isn't. The problem with ranking all time players it that any list that even slightly differs from your own you're going to completely write off and say it's all garbage. You have to look at these things objectively and say okay the formula doesn't completely line up with what I personally believe... but maybe we can make adjustments to it. Or maybe the way I personally feel is subjective and incorrect.

When everything's just based on our own personal biases and emotionally reacting to everything there is no way you will be able to look at someone else's all time list and not react negatively.

Okay. So you think it's acceptable to rank the game changer, Stephen Curry 30th in the all time ranking? Moreover he is ranked lower than CP3 and Harden?

If you don't think that's a fatal mistake then stop playing.


I don't think that's what he was implying.

Hell I don't agree with the rankings either. But this is nothing more than an opinion piece. If it were an official list, I could understand why you are so emotional about it.

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SUPERVILLAIN: Sorry but this ranking is a total bullsh*t.

He asked. I answered. It's just that simple.
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Post#17 » by ken6199 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:36 pm

SUPERVILLAIN wrote:Curry is ranked 30th. Meanwhile CP3 is 19th and Harden is 26th.

Sorry but this ranking is a total bullsh*t.

So you dont like those 3 positions, you call it total BS. What if he got 20 places wrong? Do you call that other worldly BS?

In your dictionary, what is half BS then? I guess that's 2 places wrong. What if he got 1 place wrong and you don't like about it, tiny BS? Why people like you have to talk like this. It's a clear sign of posting with emotion rather than sense. You don't like something, it's total BS. One player is better than the other, "it's not even close". Someone doesn't agree with you, get the F outta here u know nothing about basektball. People love to talk like bad asses these days on internet like that's the only way to talk.

I mean it's not like he put Javale McGee at 17th and Doctor J at 33th. Paul, Curry, Harden each has a case of being better than the other two whether it's a strong case or a not-so-popular one. They have their own arguments depending on how you evaluate players and what angles you are coming from. OP certainly put lot of effort into his formulas which generate a pretty decent ranking for the most part, and that warrant a "total BS" from you?

Compared to OP's list, I think your post is total BS. The way you post is what's wrong with this board these days.
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Post#18 » by hauntedcomputer » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:44 pm

They didn't have all-defensive teams, finals mvps, and advanced stats when a number of these guys played. Did Bill Russell ever win the Bill Russell award?

I don't see anything wildly off but it's part of the problem with comparing eras.
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Post#19 » by SUPERVILLAIN » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:44 pm

ken6199 wrote:
SUPERVILLAIN wrote:Curry is ranked 30th. Meanwhile CP3 is 19th and Harden is 26th.

Sorry but this ranking is a total bullsh*t.

So you dont like those 3 positions, you call it total BS. What if he got 20 places wrong? Do you call that other worldly BS?

In your dictionary, what is half BS then? I guess that's 2 places wrong. What if he got 1 place wrong and you don't like about it, tiny BS? Why people like you have to talk like this. It's a clear sign of posting with emotion rather than sense. You don't like something, it's total BS. One player is better than the other, "it's not even close". Someone doesn't agree with you, get the F outta here u know nothing about basektball. People love to talk like bad asses these days on internet like that's the only way to talk.

I mean it's not like he put Javale McGee at 17th and Doctor J at 33th. Paul, Curry, Harden each has a case of being better than the other two whether it's a strong case or a not-so-popular one. They have their own arguments depending on how you evaluate players and what angles you are coming from. OP certainly put lot of effort into his formulas which generate a pretty decent ranking for the most part, and that warrant a "total BS" from you?

Compared to OP's list, I think your post is total BS. The way you post is what's wrong with this board these days.

You don't think that's one fatal mistake? Joke's on you.

I'll play along and list some more obvious mistakes.
* Curry lower than CP3 and Harden
* Kawhi lower than CP3
* KG lower than CP3
* Nash lower than Kidd
* Wade lower than Harden and CP3
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Post#20 » by donato » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:46 pm

Formula obviously needs some work. Hit the showers young man.

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