Re: Simmons demands out and will not report
Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:03 am
watching him back in philly, playing at home, will be fascinating.
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djsunyc wrote:watching him back in philly, playing at home, will be fascinating.
Thomas was a premium asset, if healthy. It became later know he was permanently damaged (and Altman for some weird reason decided to go on with the trade...)KuruptedCav wrote:Pointgod wrote:Nate505 wrote:
If he really wants to leave, it kind of is.
Morey is asking for an allstar type player and multiple picks for Simmons. That shows me how the Sixers value Simmons, I don’t think it’s the value that’s the problem, it’s Morey’s unrealistic expectations.
Exactly, you get the player/premium pick or the picks, you don’t get both.
Kevin Love netted Andrew Wiggins (R) as the premium asset, Thad Young (FRP moved for him), and Anthony Bennett to make the money work.
Kyrie Irving netted Nets Pick as the premium asset, Jae Crowder/Isaiah Thomas as the secondary asset/salary filler.
James Harden netted 4 FRPs but no premium asset.
George netted 5 FRPs and Gallo as salary filler; but no premium asset.
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Ryoga Hibiki wrote:Thomas was a premium asset, if healthy. It became later know he was permanently damaged (and Altman for some weird reason decided to go on with the trade...)KuruptedCav wrote:Pointgod wrote:
Morey is asking for an allstar type player and multiple picks for Simmons. That shows me how the Sixers value Simmons, I don’t think it’s the value that’s the problem, it’s Morey’s unrealistic expectations.
Exactly, you get the player/premium pick or the picks, you don’t get both.
Kevin Love netted Andrew Wiggins (R) as the premium asset, Thad Young (FRP moved for him), and Anthony Bennett to make the money work.
Kyrie Irving netted Nets Pick as the premium asset, Jae Crowder/Isaiah Thomas as the secondary asset/salary filler.
James Harden netted 4 FRPs but no premium asset.
George netted 5 FRPs and Gallo as salary filler; but no premium asset.
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George netter Shai as well
Harden could have netted a premium player and some picks, but the Rockets decided to maximize on the picks.
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syntax wrote:PlatinumState wrote:All Im wondering is how is his next team gonna feel when he doesnt wanna shoot open jumpers and doesnt care about improving his o game at all? Is lets say Minnesota gonna tolerate him and how long?
Is he destined to bounce around the league for the rest od his career getting traded every season?
I just cant envision a good scenario and dont get why any team is interested in him
25yo three time all-star and runner up DPOY, I dont get it either.
FrodoFraggins wrote:GeorgeMarcus wrote:Ballerhogger wrote:Why not sallow your pride morey and get average shooter and play maker .
Who are you referring to? If it's some average rotation player then we are definitely better holding out. We have young guys we can groom in the meantime and still make the playoffs pretty easily. There's a better chance of a good return near the trade deadline when teams are pressured to pull the trigger.
Simmons doesn't care about boosting his trade value. He'll probably learn from Harden and report out of shape and give minimal effort.
Ballerhogger wrote:GeorgeMarcus wrote:Ballerhogger wrote:Why not sallow your pride morey and get average shooter and play maker .
Who are you referring to? If it's some average rotation player then we are definitely better holding out. We have young guys we can groom in the meantime and still make the playoffs pretty easily. There's a better chance of a good return near the trade deadline when teams are pressured to pull the trigger.
youll need someone who can defend like simmons and can rebound i wouldnt put my all eggs in the Andre Drummond basket for rebounds, you need perimeter defense as well simmons does that very well. I expect the 76ers defense to fall off this year.
jbk1234 wrote:It seems pretty clear that Morey's plan was to wait until another star became available and trade Simmons then. From Simmons perspective, it's clear you don't want me here and I'm not part of the core, I don't have any idea if Beal or Dame will be made available or even if they'll be traded to the Sixers should that occur.Nate505 wrote:Pointgod wrote:
Morey is asking for an allstar type player and multiple picks for Simmons. That shows me how the Sixers value Simmons, I don’t think it’s the value that’s the problem, it’s Morey’s unrealistic expectations.
Yeah, I agree there that Morey has to be realistic in his expectations. But at the same time, Simmons tanking his trade value by the way he's acting isn't going to help the situation here. If he really wanted to be traded he would, I don't know, act like a professional, work hard, and then get traded when he shows his value on the court.
Yelling "I WANT TO GET TRADED SO I'M SITTING OUT UNTIL YOU TRADE ME" is a strategy, and it might work, but it might drag the process out further as teams know that they don't have to give up premium assets for a malcontent.
Don't get me wrong, Simmons is paid too much not to honor his contract, but I'm a bit skeptical he'd have higher trade value, in a meaningful sense, even if his camp was quiet and he reported. The fundamental problem is the Sixers waited at least a year too long to trade him.
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RoyceDa59 wrote:Simmons to the Raptors
GeorgeMarcus wrote:FrodoFraggins wrote:GeorgeMarcus wrote:
Who are you referring to? If it's some average rotation player then we are definitely better holding out. We have young guys we can groom in the meantime and still make the playoffs pretty easily. There's a better chance of a good return near the trade deadline when teams are pressured to pull the trigger.
Simmons doesn't care about boosting his trade value. He'll probably learn from Harden and report out of shape and give minimal effort.
That's not what I meant- theres very little chance Simmons even plays for us. That's why I mentioned grooming the young guys. Simmons can rot on the bench.
Dan Z wrote:One problem is that a year ago the Sixers hired a new coach and GM and they both needed time to evaluate the roster.jbk1234 wrote:It seems pretty clear that Morey's plan was to wait until another star became available and trade Simmons then. From Simmons perspective, it's clear you don't want me here and I'm not part of the core, I don't have any idea if Beal or Dame will be made available or even if they'll be traded to the Sixers should that occur. Don't get me wrong, Simmons is paid too much not to honor his contract, but I'm a bit skeptical he'd have higher trade value, in a meaningful sense, even if his camp was quiet and he reported. The fundamental problem is the Sixers waited at least a year too long to trade him.Nate505 wrote: Yeah, I agree there that Morey has to be realistic in his expectations. But at the same time, Simmons tanking his trade value by the way he's acting isn't going to help the situation here. If he really wanted to be traded he would, I don't know, act like a professional, work hard, and then get traded when he shows his value on the court.
Yelling "I WANT TO GET TRADED SO I'M SITTING OUT UNTIL YOU TRADE ME" is a strategy, and it might work, but it might drag the process out further as teams know that they don't have to give up premium assets for a malcontent.
Pointgod wrote:Can Maxey play point guard or is he exclusively a SG?
Sane wrote:It's so sad that ESPN is so lazy that it decides to focus this much on one player who is going through mental struggles.
There are so many stories worth talking about even in this quiet part of the offseason. I'm not a fan of Simmons at all, but I'm a bit fed up with how much focus this is getting and there comes a time when you say the media is bullying someone in the pursuit of content.