Poetry-In-Motion wrote: FNQ wrote:
Yes, you do. That’s the point. Nuggets showed commitment by trading assets for Gordon. From that moment on, it becomes a priority to lock him up. Very similar to Bucks locking up Jrue Holiday to his extension (in which many felt was an overpay at the time).
And yes he would get a similar offer in the open market.
One, it’s a shallow free agency class.
And two, the cap rises from $112M to $119M.
Also if you still disagree with that, and you’re nitpicking between a 4 year $92M that was given to him now vs. a hypothetical 4 year $80M deal… $12M over 4 years is something not to fuss about when you are risking losing him for nothing as an Unrestricted Free Agent. If you feel his value his even lesser than that in 2022 summer where the cap rises… then this is a major rabbit hole and we simply disagree on Aaron Gordon’s value to the Nuggets.
Cant compare an actual star like Jrue to a role player like Gordon. Jrue is gonna fit wherever he goes. AG needs to be in a spot where he fits.
12m difference.. AND the flexibility to move on from him, or move him for a better player should one become available.
You're worried that a team would look at AG, someone who was dealt for not much value, someone who is clearly not a top 3 option on a team, and offer him more than 23m AAV? Really?
Ok sure. Play it safe/scared, I'm just saying that a team like Denver has no real margin for error in the first place, and now is literally walking the fine line. This is the team now. If it doesn't work, that's it.
It's not playing it "safe/scared", it's just good general managing. The Nuggets are happy they locked in the contract that they or another team would have offered him a year from now. And yes, we have evidence that teams were interested in Aaron Gordon. He would have got a similar deal.
I'm just going by facts here. You're just stubborn by your own opinion of Gordon. I would suggest just watching Aaron Gordon and the Nuggets more this upcoming this season. Maybe then you will get it.
Ah yes, I'm stubborn, while you cape for spending more money than necessary, less flexibility than necessary, and call it good GMing.
The fact that other teams were interested - ones that are not cap threats so I'm not really sure what the point is here - is irrelevant, because the offer that was accepted was a very bland one: a bad contract, a fringe 1st rounder, and a 1st 4 years down the road. Whatever point you thought you had bringing those up, the bottom line is their offers were *less* than the one the Magic accepted.
The Nuggets being happy about it doesnt make it any less of a scared move.
Look you wanna be a fan of it, go right ahead. But overpaying a guy, which despite your protests *lessens* his trade value, and therefore greatly lessens the teams ability to pivot off their roster if things don't go well, isn't particularly smart. It's playing it safe, and teams that do that typically don't win. If the Nuggets already had a title, or even a Finals appearance, under their belt, then it could at least be in the 50/50 range.. but they haven't. So its a premature move to keep a guy there who may or may not vault them into the Finals. And if he doesn't, whats next? You're gonna move him to Boston or Portland? Be ready to take back a bad contract, just like the Magic did.
and you're not going by facts.. lol cmon. You are citing a couple facts and then spinning off into an argument about why its good that you overpaid a guy and lost flexibility. Not really facts that youre citing.. we could double back to metrics since you thought I wasnt using those before? Those greatly support my argument