NBA protocols/Covid/Vaccine - Discussion thread

[ZB9]

Wow your country got covid cases to zero? That's amazing. You actually "defeated" the virus.

I bet you still have mandates and lockdowns and wear masks though. Im curious when that ends.

Tomorrow.

A staged process begins in NSW then, now we have a full vaccination rate over 70% for those aged over 16, further withdrawal of restrictions is planned when we reach 80% full vaccination expected to be within 10 days or so, and withdrawal of basically all restrictions including for the unvaccinated is scheduled for December1. Seeing we have a 91% first dose vaccination rate now, the fully vaccinated rate is anticipated to be over 90% by then. Most of those vaccinated were not subject to mandates, although mandates have been applied to some jobs considered high risk, such as a mandate for health workers which came into force this month to have at least commenced the vaccination process/have had a first jab.

It's great that your rulers are giving you your freedom back. I hope they dont move the goal posts again. They can create an emergency any time they want. It's a bad precedent to set imo.

When will travel be allowed to/from Australia? How about immigration to Australia? Here in Texas, illegal immigration has increased during the pandemic. The federal government has actually been encouraging it. How would Australians react if the govt were encouraging the citizens to lock down while at the same time allowing a record number of illegal immigration from places with very little covid infrastructure?

Im not against immigration, i think it's great. It's just a bit weird for the govt to act like they care so much about covid and call it a pandemic and yet allow a record number of un vetted illegal immigrants into Texas at the same time. It just shows how full of **** the fed govt is and makes it difficult to give any credibility to anything else that they say.

[michaelm]

Wow your country got covid cases to zero? That's amazing. You actually "defeated" the virus.

I bet you still have mandates and lockdowns and wear masks though. Im curious when that ends.

Tomorrow.

A staged process begins in NSW then, now we have a full vaccination rate over 70% for those aged over 16, further withdrawal of restrictions is planned when we reach 80% full vaccination expected to be within 10 days or so, and withdrawal of basically all restrictions including for the unvaccinated is scheduled for December1. Seeing we have a 91% first dose vaccination rate now, the fully vaccinated rate is anticipated to be over 90% by then. Most of those vaccinated were not subject to mandates, although mandates have been applied to some jobs considered high risk, such as a mandate for health workers which came into force this month to have at least commenced the vaccination process/have had a first jab.

It's great that your rulers are giving you your freedom back. I hope they dont move the goal posts again. They can create an emergency any time they want. It's a bad precedent to set imo.

When will travel be allowed to/from Australia? How about immigration to Australia? Here in Texas, illegal immigration has increased during the pandemic. The federal government has actually been encouraging it. How would Australians react if the govt were encouraging the citizens to lock down while at the same time allowing a record number of illegal immigration from places with very little covid infrastructure?

Im not against immigration, i think it's great. It's just a bit weird for the govt to act like they care so much about covid and call it a pandemic and yet allow a record number of un vetted illegal immigrants into Texas at the same time.

Rather tangential.

The NSW government perhaps oddly didn’t see the need for much at all in the way of restrictions when we were at Covid zero where we mostly were for the majority of the pandemic, and mainly relied on contact tracing to keep us at or near that status.

When the delta variant arrived with very low vaccination rates here and that variant raging in unvaccinated populations in our near neighbour Indonesia, and in India, with no end to exponential spread in those places in sight they pivoted. They say they will be highly reluctant to put anything further in place in the way of lockdowns in future, and I for one believe them. We now have an extremely high vaccination rate in any case, and are likely to have one of the highest rates in the world by December when they propose to remove remaining restrictions including for those who remain unvaccinated.

[xdrta+]

The pharm industry contributed to Newsom's recall campaign so now he is going to mandate that all school kids get vaxxed,

You write a lot of gibberish but I'll just respond to this one bit. California is 2-1 Democrat over Republican registration, there was absolutely no chance Newsom was ever going to be recalled, yet you throw out this unrelated nonsense that he had to make promises to an industry to ensure his win.

Like every other state, California requires children to be vaccinated against a number of dangerous diseases, polio, diphtheria, measles, mumps, Hepatitis B, chickenpox, and others. (I know, it's forced and controlling because...FREEDOMS.) Covid is as dangerous as any of them and it will be added to the list. How could anyone possibly object to this? Because there's only a small chance a child will die from Covid? How much more likely is a child to contract polio? Should we eliminate that vaccine? Using your logic, I guess we should. So what if some kids get polio, or diptheria, or Covid...after all, it's only .002%, according to you. No big deal.

[ZB9]

The pharm industry contributed to Newsom's recall campaign so now he is going to mandate that all school kids get vaxxed,

Like every other state, California requires children to be vaccinated against a number of dangerous diseases, polio, diphtheria, measles, mumps, Hepatitis B, chickenpox, and others. (I know, it's forced and controlling because...FREEDOMS.) Covid is as dangerous as any of them and it will be added to the list. How could anyone possibly object to this? Because there's only a small chance a child will die from Covid? How much more likely is a child to contract polio? Should we eliminate that vaccine? Using your logic, I guess we should. So what if some kids get polio, or diptheria, or Covid...after all, it's only .002%, according to you. No big deal.

Those are vaccines that actually provide immunity, and they have been vetted and researched for many decades.

These covid vaccines available in the US are still experiments. None available in the US have even been FDA approved.

The vaccines themselves pose a higher risk to kids than the covid virus itself.

CDC numbers reported that among children 5-17 who had COVID-19, there was 1 death per 174,803 cases.

Pfizer & Moderna trials w/ children showed 1 death per 1,000 vaccinated.

So, California is actually mandating a vaccine w/ a mortality rate 174x higher than the virus.

It's not about "following the science", not at all. It's about following the money.

https://www.wellnessdoc.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Evidence-based-information-for-parents-on-the-risk-for-children-of-COVID-19-vs.-the-risk-of-the-vaccines.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0wJoZl40WJUDoH4gDb4G_OiehXuW_fV_YCTXmJApFo8kSqAOe0dqfkoLs

OK this post needs an official disclaimer for Content that is demonstrably false or misleading. This information here is simply not true, and crosses the line of being potentially harmful. Please do not post blatant misinformation. -B


Also, the guy who wrote up the piece in the link is a chiropractor... and is trying to make money off selling people misinformation. Please don't fall for people like this trying to make a buck off the fear of others.
-zimpy27

[xdrta+]

The pharm industry contributed to Newsom's recall campaign so now he is going to mandate that all school kids get vaxxed,

Like every other state, California requires children to be vaccinated against a number of dangerous diseases, polio, diphtheria, measles, mumps, Hepatitis B, chickenpox, and others. (I know, it's forced and controlling because...FREEDOMS.) Covid is as dangerous as any of them and it will be added to the list. How could anyone possibly object to this? Because there's only a small chance a child will die from Covid? How much more likely is a child to contract polio? Should we eliminate that vaccine? Using your logic, I guess we should. So what if some kids get polio, or diptheria, or Covid...after all, it's only .002%, according to you. No big deal.

Those are vaccines that actually provide immunity, and they have been vetted and researched for many decades.

These covid vaccines available in the US are still experiments. None available in the US have even been FDA approved.

The vaccines themselves pose a higher risk to kids than the covid virus itself.

CDC numbers reported that among children 5-17 who had COVID-19, there was 1 death per 174,803 cases.

Pfizer & Moderna trials w/ children showed 1 death per 1,000 vaccinated.

So, California is actually mandating a vaccine w/ a mortality rate 174x higher than the virus.

It's not about "following the science", not at all.

https://www.wellnessdoc.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Evidence-based-information-for-parents-on-the-risk-for-children-of-COVID-19-vs.-the-risk-of-the-vaccines.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0wJoZl40WJUDoH4gDb4G_OiehXuW_fV_YCTXmJApFo8kSqAOe0dqfkoLs

"These covid vaccines available in the US are still experiments. None available in the US have even been FDA approved."

An out and out lie.

"The vaccines themselves pose a higher risk to kids than the covid virus itself."

Another lie.

In fact, your whole post is trash. The figures you claim, apparantly from some random tweet in response to California's announcement, is debunked here.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/07/tweets/cdc-does-not-show-higher-death-rate-vaccines-covid/

It's nonsense. The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has not reported data for children showing a higher death rate from COVID-19 vaccines than from COVID-19.

There is no clear evidence that COVID-19 vaccines have caused any deaths in the U.S., according to the CDC.

[nikster]

Why is it off topic? The only important argument in your mind is about freedom. So do you find Drinking and driving laws to be against the spirit of freedom in the American constitution? That is a law promoted by experts (who found statistical risk in accidents when intoxicated) that limit your freedom for the protection of yourself and the general public

Not really trying to get into this argument, but I just wanted to point out that the drinking and driving analogy is not appropiate.

When you drink and drive, you are doing a combination of actions that might endanger other people. You're acting in a way that's putting other people at risk. Drinking and driving is not a status quo or inertial state. you have to go ahead and do it.

When you don't get a vaccine, you're not doing anything. It's your inaction that other people are condemning. It's the opposite case, in which your existence is deemed unacceptable by other people unless you take a certain action. Not comparable at all, since in this case the only way you can say the unvaccinated person is putting others at risk is by placing the responsibility of the virus or disease on that person. But that person didn't create the virus. And that point of view is moral, ethical or philosophical and subject to debate. It's by no stretch of imagination a proven scientific fact.

The mandate is not on essential services. If you just want to sit at home you dont need a vaccine. So if you want to take the action of eating in a restaurant or arena where you are potentially exposing people to the virus you need to be vaccinated (because we know unvaccinated are higher risk because the vaccines both reduce chances of infection and reduce transmission)

[nikster]

The pharm industry contributed to Newsom's recall campaign so now he is going to mandate that all school kids get vaxxed,

Like every other state, California requires children to be vaccinated against a number of dangerous diseases, polio, diphtheria, measles, mumps, Hepatitis B, chickenpox, and others. (I know, it's forced and controlling because...FREEDOMS.) Covid is as dangerous as any of them and it will be added to the list. How could anyone possibly object to this? Because there's only a small chance a child will die from Covid? How much more likely is a child to contract polio? Should we eliminate that vaccine? Using your logic, I guess we should. So what if some kids get polio, or diptheria, or Covid...after all, it's only .002%, according to you. No big deal.

Pfizer & Moderna trials w/ children showed 1 death per 1,000 vaccinated.

That is such an absurd claim. I honestly can't believe even the most ardent anti-vaxxer can look at that number and believe its realistic.

[ZB9]

Like every other state, California requires children to be vaccinated against a number of dangerous diseases, polio, diphtheria, measles, mumps, Hepatitis B, chickenpox, and others. (I know, it's forced and controlling because...FREEDOMS.) Covid is as dangerous as any of them and it will be added to the list. How could anyone possibly object to this? Because there's only a small chance a child will die from Covid? How much more likely is a child to contract polio? Should we eliminate that vaccine? Using your logic, I guess we should. So what if some kids get polio, or diptheria, or Covid...after all, it's only .002%, according to you. No big deal.

Those are vaccines that actually provide immunity, and they have been vetted and researched for many decades.

These covid vaccines available in the US are still experiments. None available in the US have even been FDA approved.

The vaccines themselves pose a higher risk to kids than the covid virus itself.

CDC numbers reported that among children 5-17 who had COVID-19, there was 1 death per 174,803 cases.

Pfizer & Moderna trials w/ children showed 1 death per 1,000 vaccinated.

So, California is actually mandating a vaccine w/ a mortality rate 174x higher than the virus.

It's not about "following the science", not at all.

https://www.wellnessdoc.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Evidence-based-information-for-parents-on-the-risk-for-children-of-COVID-19-vs.-the-risk-of-the-vaccines.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0wJoZl40WJUDoH4gDb4G_OiehXuW_fV_YCTXmJApFo8kSqAOe0dqfkoLs

"These covid vaccines available in the US are still experiments. None available in the US have even been FDA approved."

An out and out lie.

yea? Do you believe that the Pfizer vax available in the US was FDA approved?

Yes you were lied to but not by me. It's not the first time that Pfizer lied or mislead. They do have the largest criminal fine in history because of such similar tactics.

These vaccines were rushed out and a lot more research needs to be done on them.

Read on Twitter

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"The vaccines themselves pose a higher risk to kids than the covid virus itself."

Another lie.

Well what do you think the covid 19 risk is to young kids?

"As recently reported in a study using data through Public Health England (PHE) titled, Deaths in Children and
Young People in England following SARS-CoV-2 infection during the first pandemic year: a national study
using linked mandatory child death reporting data, the risk of death to healthy children is statistically zero. It
used data from March 1st, 2020, through February 28th, 2021, a total of one year. They used detailed clinical
data in the National Child Mortality Database (NCMD), a comprehensive and unique mandatory national
dataset of deaths <18 years of age, to review the contribution of SARS-CoV-2 to death.
3
Out of over 12 million children under 18 years of age, it was estimated that there were 469,282 that were
infected in that years’ time. Of that there were only 25 deaths due to COVID-19. That is an Infection Fatality
Rate (IFR) of just 0.005%. That is one child dying per 20,000 infected. If you factor out the children that had
serious co-morbidities, only 6 healthy children died and the IFR becomes 0.001% or 1 death in approximately
78,000 total infections. When comparing those deaths to the entire population of children and young people
under the age of 18 (12,023,568 children), it is 1 death for every 2 million children. Now any death in a child is
tragic and in a utopian world none would die. But the reality is that in the same one year that this study
evaluated, 3,105 children under age 18 died from all causes in England.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.07.21259779v1?

In fact, your whole post is trash. The figures you claim, apparantly from some random tweet in response to California's announcement, is debunked here.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/07/tweets/cdc-does-not-show-higher-death-rate-vaccines-covid/

It's nonsense. The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has not reported data for children showing a higher death rate from COVID-19 vaccines than from COVID-19.

There is no clear evidence that COVID-19 vaccines have caused any deaths in the U.S., according to the CDC.

It's interesting that the politifact "fact checker" intern that you say "dubunked" it provided no sources at all for the supposed debunking. They simply typed "this did not happen" so there its debunked lol.

There is no reason to be injecting kids with this stuff for something that is not even a risk for them. Maybe someone can make little bubbles for the kids to roll around in. They should leave the kids alone.

[xdrta+]

Your link in the previous post is pathetic. Yeah, I'm going to put credence in a site called wellnessdoc, who uses reports from VAERS, an unverified reporting system that does not determine if a vaccine caused the events that are reported, to come up with numbers. For a long time VAERS was filled with reports that vaccines were causing autism, a claim that has been thoroughly debunked. Everything on there is unverified, which means it's about as unreliable a source as you can find.

He qualifies everything, "two children died reportedly from cardiac related deaths", and "it has to be assumed" they were part of the trials...based on this he comes up with 1 in a 1000 deaths. And you swallow it whole. No surprise there.

[ZB9]

Your link in the previous post is pathetic. Yeah, I'm going to put credence in a site called wellnessdoc, who uses reports from VAERS, an unverified reporting system that does not determine if a vaccine caused the events that are reported, to come up with numbers. For a long time VAERS was filled with reports that vaccines were causing autism, a claim that has been thoroughly debunked. Everything on there is unverified, which means it's about as unreliable a source as you can find.

He qualifies everything, "two children died reportedly from cardiac related deaths", and "it has to be assumed" they were part of the trials...based on this he comes up with 1 in a 1000 deaths. And you swallow it whole. No surprise there.

So you want to inject kids with this new vaccine even though they arent at risk for covid and you want to shut down any study of possible adverse events to the vaccine. Do i have that right?

Do you want to inject pregnant women too?

[xdrta+]

Your link in the previous post is pathetic. Yeah, I'm going to put credence in a site called wellnessdoc, who uses reports from VAERS, an unverified reporting system that does not determine if a vaccine caused the events that are reported, to come up with numbers. For a long time VAERS was filled with reports that vaccines were causing autism, a claim that has been thoroughly debunked. Everything on there is unverified, which means it's about as unreliable a source as you can find.

He qualifies everything, "two children died reportedly from cardiac related deaths", and "it has to be assumed" they were part of the trials...based on this he comes up with 1 in a 1000 deaths. And you swallow it whole. No surprise there.

So you want to inject kids with this new vaccine even though they arent at risk for covid and you want to shut down any study of possible adverse events to the vaccine. Do i have that right?

Do you want to inject pregnant women too?

So you want to eliminate polio vaccines for kids, since there is almost no chance they'll contract polio. Do I have that right?

[ZB9]

Your link in the previous post is pathetic. Yeah, I'm going to put credence in a site called wellnessdoc, who uses reports from VAERS, an unverified reporting system that does not determine if a vaccine caused the events that are reported, to come up with numbers. For a long time VAERS was filled with reports that vaccines were causing autism, a claim that has been thoroughly debunked. Everything on there is unverified, which means it's about as unreliable a source as you can find.

He qualifies everything, "two children died reportedly from cardiac related deaths", and "it has to be assumed" they were part of the trials...based on this he comes up with 1 in a 1000 deaths. And you swallow it whole. No surprise there.

So you want to inject kids with this new vaccine even though they arent at risk for covid and you want to shut down any study of possible adverse events to the vaccine. Do i have that right?

Do you want to inject pregnant women too?

So you want to eliminate polio vaccines for kids, since there is almost no chance they'll contract polio. Do I have that right?

No, polio vaccines and their possible adverse effects have been studied and vetted for over 50 years. They also provide actual immunity.

Are you going to answer my question?

[xdrta+]

So you want to inject kids with this new vaccine even though they arent at risk for covid and you want to shut down any study of possible adverse events to the vaccine. Do i have that right?

Do you want to inject pregnant women too?

So you want to eliminate polio vaccines for kids, since there is almost no chance they'll contract polio. Do I have that right?

No, polio vaccines and their possible adverse effects have been studied and vetted for over 50 years. They also provide actual immunity.

Are you going to answer my question?

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)"strongly recommends COVID-19 vaccination before, during or after pregnancy. Pregnant or recently pregnant people are at an increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19. Additionally, pregnant people with COVID-19 have a higher risk of delivering prematurely."

Those sound like good reasons to me, though I'm sure you'll have some wacko with an off-the-wall study that shows they shouldn't.

And polio vaccines can have serious side effects when polio has been all but eliminated in this country. Why don't you want to remove the vaccine mandate for children?

[ZB9]

So you want to eliminate polio vaccines for kids, since there is almost no chance they'll contract polio. Do I have that right?

No, polio vaccines and their possible adverse effects have been studied and vetted for over 50 years. They also provide actual immunity.

Are you going to answer my question?

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)"strongly recommends COVID-19 vaccination before, during or after pregnancy. Pregnant or recently pregnant people are at an increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19. Additionally, pregnant people with COVID-19 have a higher risk of delivering prematurely."

Those sound like good reasons to me, though I'm sure you'll have some wacko with an off-the-wall study that shows they shouldn't.

And polio vaccines can have serious side effects when polio has been all but eliminated in this country. Why don't you want to remove the vaccine mandate for children?

Do you think possible adverse effects to this new vaccine should be studied or should any such studies be shut down and censored?

Do you think that people who have had possible adverse effects to this new vaccine deserve to be heard?

[nikster]

So you want to inject kids with this new vaccine even though they arent at risk for covid and you want to shut down any study of possible adverse events to the vaccine. Do i have that right?

Do you want to inject pregnant women too?

So you want to eliminate polio vaccines for kids, since there is almost no chance they'll contract polio. Do I have that right?

No, polio vaccines and their possible adverse effects have been studied and vetted for over 50 years. They also provide actual immunity.

Are you going to answer my question?

Your caught in a lie about the vaccine induced deaths in kids, and immediately pivot.

The covid vaccines provide immunity...how else would they work?

I wonder at what point in the roll out of the polio vaccine you would have supported children getting it. The US government licensed Salk's vaccine just over a year after their first major clinical trial

[The_Hater]

No, polio vaccines and their possible adverse effects have been studied and vetted for over 50 years. They also provide actual immunity.

Are you going to answer my question?

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)"strongly recommends COVID-19 vaccination before, during or after pregnancy. Pregnant or recently pregnant people are at an increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19. Additionally, pregnant people with COVID-19 have a higher risk of delivering prematurely."

Those sound like good reasons to me, though I'm sure you'll have some wacko with an off-the-wall study that shows they shouldn't.

And polio vaccines can have serious side effects when polio has been all but eliminated in this country. Why don't you want to remove the vaccine mandate for children?

Do you think possible adverse effects to this new vaccine should be studied or should any such studies be shut down and censored?

Do you think that people who have had possible adverse effects to this new vaccine deserve to be heard?

Every drug you have ever taken has side effects. Ever watch commericals for drugs and then at the end the list all the side effects that may occur if you take it? They’re not allowed to hide the side effects and doing so gets them into the middle of huge lawsuits.

As for your question, they should be heard when that information is valid and not haphazardly thrown together by bloggers and conspiracy theorists with a separate agenda. But everyone on the internet thinks they’re an expert in fields they know nothing about theses days. That’s a huge problem. You yourself spread these conspiracy theories and try to sell them off as factual.

If you think the same scientists and doctors who are experts in this field, and have been studying this for years f not decades, aren’t lookimg into the side effects and issues with this drug then I would argue thst you’re sadly mistaken. We also have 6 billion doses of the vaccine distributed worldwide at this point and all these conspiracy theories I’ve read haven’t proven to be true.

[Zenzibar]

Like every other state, California requires children to be vaccinated against a number of dangerous diseases, polio, diphtheria, measles, mumps, Hepatitis B, chickenpox, and others. (I know, it's forced and controlling because...FREEDOMS.) Covid is as dangerous as any of them and it will be added to the list. How could anyone possibly object to this? Because there's only a small chance a child will die from Covid? How much more likely is a child to contract polio? Should we eliminate that vaccine? Using your logic, I guess we should. So what if some kids get polio, or diptheria, or Covid...after all, it's only .002%, according to you. No big deal.

Those are vaccines that actually provide immunity, and they have been vetted and researched for many decades.

These covid vaccines available in the US are still experiments. None available in the US have even been FDA approved.

The vaccines themselves pose a higher risk to kids than the covid virus itself.

CDC numbers reported that among children 5-17 who had COVID-19, there was 1 death per 174,803 cases.

Pfizer & Moderna trials w/ children showed 1 death per 1,000 vaccinated.

So, California is actually mandating a vaccine w/ a mortality rate 174x higher than the virus.

It's not about "following the science", not at all.

https://www.wellnessdoc.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Evidence-based-information-for-parents-on-the-risk-for-children-of-COVID-19-vs.-the-risk-of-the-vaccines.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0wJoZl40WJUDoH4gDb4G_OiehXuW_fV_YCTXmJApFo8kSqAOe0dqfkoLs

"These covid vaccines available in the US are still experiments. None available in the US have even been FDA approved."

An out and out lie.

"The vaccines themselves pose a higher risk to kids than the covid virus itself."

Another lie.

In fact, your whole post is trash. The figures you claim, apparantly from some random tweet in response to California's announcement, is debunked here.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/07/tweets/cdc-does-not-show-higher-death-rate-vaccines-covid/

It's nonsense. The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has not reported data for children showing a higher death rate from COVID-19 vaccines than from COVID-19.

There is no clear evidence that COVID-19 vaccines have caused any deaths in the U.S., according to the CDC.

That line difies logic and why the vaccination resistance is growing due to falsification or subjugation of facts.

For example.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaers-cdc-serious-injuries-deaths-covid-vaccines/

Reports of Serious Injuries After COVID Vaccines Near 112,000, as Pfizer Asks FDA to Green Light Shots for Kids 5 to 11

VAERS data released Friday by the CDC included a total of 778,685 reports of adverse events from all age groups following COVID vaccines, including 16,310 deaths and 111,921 serious injuries between Dec. 14, 2020 and Oct. 1, 2021.

By
Megan Redshaw

Every Friday, VAERS makes public all vaccine injury reports received as of a specified date, usually about a week prior to the release date.
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Data released Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) showed that between Dec. 14, 2020 and Oct. 1, 2021, a total of 778,685 adverse events following COVID vaccines were reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). The data included a total of 16,310 reports of deaths — an increase of 373 over the previous week.

There were 111,921 reports of serious injuries, including deaths, during the same time period — up 6,163 compared with the previous week.

Excluding “foreign reports” filed in VAERS, 593.728 adverse events, including 7,437 deaths and 47,455 serious injuries, were reported in the U.S. between Dec. 14, 2020 and Oct. 1, 2021.

Of the 7,437 U.S. deaths reported as of Oct. 1, 11% occurred within 24 hours of vaccination, 16% occurred within 48 hours of vaccination and 29% occurred in people who experienced an onset of symptoms within 48 hours of being vaccinated.

[FNQ]

Yet vaccinations in Texas were way up on Sept 23rd compared to Dec 2020 when there weren't any vaccines.

How is that possible that numbers can go up or stay the same when the number of people getting vaccinated goes way up?

Funny - a few hours ago Texas was super smart for the way they handled it, and vaccinations weren't getting any credit. And then when I point out that Texas actually has done very poorly, especially recently, its now the vaccines' fault.. We know the vaccine works, so this is clearly a governmental failure in Texas.

Texas is around #17-#20 per capita and trending down. No mandates are needed.

Trending down? Texas had a top 5 % spike. How on earth do you see that as good? Do you like sick and dead people? Seriously, you are the absolute worst at this whole logic thing, and that's pretty impressive in this thread. Just going to skip right past your immigration rant, as I'm sure its their fault, you social liberal you

Im talking about vax and mandate and lockdown proponents in general only care about covid, not just in this thread but everywhere. There are many causes of death but only covid matters.

Covid is not a top 5 cause of death most places but it takes precedent over every other health issue. Other health issues are actually being neglected because of covid in many places. For example, cancer screenings have gone way down because of the covid obsession dominating everything. There are stories of people dying because their medical procedure was pushed back because of covid restrictions.

Ok so this again is all direct misinformation. COVID is on the radar because we dont have a finite way of stopping its spread and it can rip through vulnerable communities. You've already had a pro-eugenics stance (again, you claim to be a social liberal).. and now COVID fervor is stopping medical procedures? Not COVID itself, which you also don't think is a big deal and think Texas has done well with.. none of your arguments mix well with the others

Ive heard many mandate proponents saying it's about saving lives. Well if it's about saving lives, then there are a lot of causes of death that are more probable for a healthy person than covid is.

If it was about saving lives, then outlawing fast food in the US and outlawing cars would save many lives. Of course that is not feasible in reality nor should it be.

There were the same amount of overall deaths in 2019 as there were in 2020. I will bet that it will be around the same in 2021. How is that possible in a pandemic?

Today in RGM antivaxx history: After being chided for comparing the vaccine mandates for public spaces and private employers to rape and removing all cars from the road, antivaxxers now pivot to banning fast food. If someone just randomly came up to me and said this, we'd share a laugh at how stupid it is, and move on. You are presenting it as a legitimate argument. I've had to stop typing twice because I'm actually laughing at a grown person typing this with serious intent.

Well like ive said earlier, there is a 1 to 5 percent chance that someone who catches covid will be hospitalized.

What should that number be to stop the mandates and lockdowns in California, New York and other leftist places?

If the hospitals were truly being overwhelmed, then there wouldnt be thousands of nurses and doctors being fired for refusing to take the jab.

Ah, I'll go let my wife know that her hospital isnt really overwhelmed and asking for people to come back who've worked there in the past. It's pretend overwhelmed. Just so you know - cardiac ICU and respiratory ICUs have a finite amount of space and personnel able to use said space. That's whats being overwhelmed. Also to be clear, most "medical personnel" being fired are actually not medical at all. Janitors, clerks, data people make up the great majority. Nurses, who don't really have any special medical insight, are being let go because of hospital policy on vaccinations - at least around here - because they agreed to take vaccines so long as they were FDA approved. There was some initial conflict about emergency approval, but that was removed in August.

So when will the mandates and lockdowns stop? What do the numbers have to be? Who determines it? Even if the number did get to zero, the mandates wont stop. The only way it will stop is if people stop going along with it.

The pharm industry contributed to Newsom's recall campaign so now he is going to mandate that all school kids get vaxxed, even though the covid risk for kids is something like .002 percent. It starts with masks mandates, then lockdowns, people went along with that so they push it further, now adding kids to the vax experiment. The numbers going down doesnt actually matter, more mandates were added, not less.

Well we tried not having mandates in CA for a long time, and it resulted in a jump. When this spike ends, we'll end the mandates again. This whole "slippery slope" argument never actually happens but its constantly repeated by the willfully ignorant.

"It starts with mask mandates and lockdowns..." yeah, and then when the numbers dropped they stopped it. Children, in order to go to public school, have to receive the FDA approved, for children, mRNA vaccine. They can choose the emergency approved mRNA vaccine or adenovirus vaccine if they want, but one of them has gone through all stages of approval. So...

You haven't been right at all in this thread, you understand that right? You've made up sources, pulled bad data, swatted away good data.. people like you literally, I mean literally hold back progress. And I'm wagering its not just with COVID, I'm thinking based on your total willingness to put deliberately false info out repeatedly, that you somehow get off on this nonsense. So I won't be engaging any further, I'm sure one of your similarly dishonest compatriots will quote you if you have a counterpoint that's remotely true or remotely related to the conversation

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These covid vaccines available in the US are still experiments. None available in the US have even been FDA approved.

Direct and willful misinformation after being corrected numerous times

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Those are vaccines that actually provide immunity, and they have been vetted and researched for many decades.

These covid vaccines available in the US are still experiments. None available in the US have even been FDA approved.

The vaccines themselves pose a higher risk to kids than the covid virus itself.

CDC numbers reported that among children 5-17 who had COVID-19, there was 1 death per 174,803 cases.

Pfizer & Moderna trials w/ children showed 1 death per 1,000 vaccinated.

So, California is actually mandating a vaccine w/ a mortality rate 174x higher than the virus.

It's not about "following the science", not at all.

https://www.wellnessdoc.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Evidence-based-information-for-parents-on-the-risk-for-children-of-COVID-19-vs.-the-risk-of-the-vaccines.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0wJoZl40WJUDoH4gDb4G_OiehXuW_fV_YCTXmJApFo8kSqAOe0dqfkoLs

"These covid vaccines available in the US are still experiments. None available in the US have even been FDA approved."

An out and out lie.

"The vaccines themselves pose a higher risk to kids than the covid virus itself."

Another lie.

In fact, your whole post is trash. The figures you claim, apparantly from some random tweet in response to California's announcement, is debunked here.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/07/tweets/cdc-does-not-show-higher-death-rate-vaccines-covid/

It's nonsense. The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has not reported data for children showing a higher death rate from COVID-19 vaccines than from COVID-19.

There is no clear evidence that COVID-19 vaccines have caused any deaths in the U.S., according to the CDC.

That line difies logic and why the vaccination resistance is growing due to falsification or subjugation of facts.

For example.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaers-cdc-serious-injuries-deaths-covid-vaccines/

Reports of Serious Injuries After COVID Vaccines Near 112,000, as Pfizer Asks FDA to Green Light Shots for Kids 5 to 11

VAERS data released Friday by the CDC included a total of 778,685 reports of adverse events from all age groups following COVID vaccines, including 16,310 deaths and 111,921 serious injuries between Dec. 14, 2020 and Oct. 1, 2021.

By
Megan Redshaw

Every Friday, VAERS makes public all vaccine injury reports received as of a specified date, usually about a week prior to the release date.
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Data released Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) showed that between Dec. 14, 2020 and Oct. 1, 2021, a total of 778,685 adverse events following COVID vaccines were reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). The data included a total of 16,310 reports of deaths — an increase of 373 over the previous week.

There were 111,921 reports of serious injuries, including deaths, during the same time period — up 6,163 compared with the previous week.

Excluding “foreign reports” filed in VAERS, 593.728 adverse events, including 7,437 deaths and 47,455 serious injuries, were reported in the U.S. between Dec. 14, 2020 and Oct. 1, 2021.

Of the 7,437 U.S. deaths reported as of Oct. 1, 11% occurred within 24 hours of vaccination, 16% occurred within 48 hours of vaccination and 29% occurred in people who experienced an onset of symptoms within 48 hours of being vaccinated.

This didn’t take long to find about a website ive never heard of and it’s founder. And it’s less than a year old too.

Please stop trying to pass propaganda off as facts. Brutal.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-health-pseudoscience/anti-vaccine-propaganda-robert-f-kennedy-jr

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/08/1004214189/anti-vaccine-film-targeted-to-black-americans-spreads-false-information

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/05/how-robert-f-kennedy-jr-became-anti-vaxxer-icon-nightmare

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56021904