NBA protocols/Covid/Vaccine - Discussion thread

[Curmudgeon]

Yes there are many folks in Cali and NY who are unvaccinated but the majority are vaccinated and the numbers are going up. And the vaccinated folks (like me) don't want the unvaccinated to walk around spreading the latest variant of the virus.

[JN61]

Was Clyde banned? This thread would attract him like blue light in the night does for the bugs.

[JN61]

Don't know if this was linked here but something to think about:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/09/27/us/kareem-abdul-jabbar-nba-vaccines-spt-trnd/index.html

[DCasey91]

Here is the irony:

Outbreaks are caused by vaccination clinics and not because of being vaccinated. 500++ people visiting each and every day.

They are literally hot beds of people in close proximity of unknown to each other. It’s the perfect place to contract the virus. Add to the docs, nurses, exposure etc etc. it’s no wonder there’s been outbreaks across the globe.

Take it from me and my experience, governments are indifferent (mates work in seperate classified sectors they don’t share many stories). Could be good or could be all the way bad just know to take everything the media/government says or tells you with a grain of salt

Literally 15 mins ago I got a confirmed mini outbreak caused by the above point about clinic proximity and vaccination.

1 - Person X went into the clinic (you don’t know the amount of people unknown that’s been there or trace elements which could be more dangerous then being in a known setting) got COVID

2. Went back home, whole family got it, passed it onto the boyfriend and his family now has it. Half were already vaccinated within a 5km radius.

3. That’s how you start one breakout easy as that.

4. 500++ was a conservative amount of people. There’s more than 4x that on given days depending on what area you live in

Stay vigilant and be aware that’s all.

[michaelm]

Here is the irony:

Outbreaks are caused by vaccination clinics and not because of being vaccinated. 500++ people visiting each and every day.

They are literally hot beds of people in close proximity of unknown to each other. It’s the perfect place to contract the virus. Add to the docs, nurses, exposure etc etc. it’s no wonder there’s been outbreaks across the globe.

Take it from me and my experience, governments are indifferent (mates work in seperate classified sectors they don’t share many stories). Could be good or could be all the way bad just know to take everything the media/government says or tells you with a grain of salt

Literally 15 mins ago I got a confirmed mini outbreak caused by the above point about clinic proximity and vaccination.

1 - Person X went into the clinic (you don’t know the amount of people unknown that’s been there or trace elements which could be more dangerous then being in a known setting) got COVID

2. Went back home, whole family got it, passed it onto the boyfriend and his family now has it. Half were already vaccinated within a 5km radius.

3. That’s how you start one breakout easy as that.

4. 500++ was a conservative amount of people. There’s more than 4x that on given days depending on what area you live in

Stay vigilant and be aware that’s all.

Very few such cases in Australia, although perhaps because even now only 1 in 100 who are tested let alone present for vaccination have Covid. I was vaccinated in a government clinic which had excellent organisation, mask wearing, social distancing etc and the process was also quite quick.

[michaelm]

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[michaelm]

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So the "gotcha" here is supposed to be that people indoors unmasked in close quarters are catching Covid? How many of them have been hospitalized?

This is an example of the current vaccines failing to prevent infection and spread of the virus.

The premise that everyone should get vaccinated in order to prevent further spread of the virus is a flawed premise.

If you want to argue that people should get the vaccine to protect themselves personally, then that is a different argument. However, that is a personal decision. There is less of an argument that my decision whether or not to get vaccinated affects your health.

You can still expect players and team personnel to miss games this year due to covid, whether they're vaccinated or not.

So that vaccines designed for the original version of the virus are somewhat less effective against a variant of the virus which arose through mutation consequent on the virus running rampant in an unvaccinated population in India is a reason not to get vaccinated ?.

If vaccinated people get infected there is data to suggest they will get very strong future immunity mostly without getting very sick. A natural herd immunity approach was tried initially in the UK and was abandoned after 2 or 3 weeks due to disastrous infection and death numbers and that was with the much less infectious, and probably less deadly, original virus.

[GamecockFan1024]

It establishes a very dangerous precedent for an organization/government to establish mandates on a group of individuals. Good on the players for choosing if they want to be vaccinated or not. I'm vaccinated, but I totally respect the rights and choices of others to do as they see fit. Besides, the sole purpose of the vaccination is to protect against the virus so I'm not sure why people would be upset if others choose to be unvaccinated.

[hauntedcomputer]

Just curious about the ratio of non-vaxxed NBA players who went to college for six weeks versus those who actually got a degree, which included a science class or two.

Besides, the sole purpose of the vaccination is to protect against the virus so I'm not sure why people would be upset if others choose to be unvaccinated.

The primary goal is to reduce hospitalizations and deaths. Slowing spread and reducing the severity of mutations are side benefits. Public health is not a "personal choice." We don't live in bubbles. One's polio, measles, and Covid affect and infect other people and society at large. If one chooses to opt out of society at large by not getting your common childhood vaccines (of which Covid is likely to be one someday soon), then at the very least one should just stop whining about the fact that no one wants to live/work/play with them.

Make leper colonies great again.

[rzzzzz]

Don't know if this was linked here but something to think about:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/09/27/us/kareem-abdul-jabbar-nba-vaccines-spt-trnd/index.html


“Those who claim they need to do ‘more research’ are simply announcing they have done no research.” Abdul-Jabbar.

[wco81]

It’s interesting that a vocal minority of players prevented the league and the players association from coming to an agreement on vaccination.

The NFL and the NFLPA didn’t agree to mandate but agreed to impose harsh penalties if unvaccinated players prevented games. The penalties would include forfeits of games and players not being paid for games they couldn’t pay because of unvaccinated players being unavailable.

When the NBA is falling behind on the NFL in anything, you know they’re in the wrong.

If players are unable to play games because of their decisions, why shouldn’t teams and the league withhold their wages? But it sounds like teams and the league aren’t ready to have a big legal fight.

Yet.

Silver doesn’t like players not playing games due to load management. Surprised he’d tolerate players being unavailable to play potentially dozens of games because of “personal” decisions.

[IceColdCubano]

I would also bring to the table in question what are the healthcare professionals saying to them that are treating them. The healthcare community is greatly divided including those in the Immunology sector. Myself as an example I went out to get opinions from health professionals and scientist I trust. It was an overwhelming "don't get the vaccine since you already had Covid-19 response from all". My aunts husband is an Immunologist working traveling the country right now between Colorado and New York doing case studies. He said flat out don't get the Vaccine. My cousin from my mothers side is a respiratory specialist at the VA hospital, which she just left from, to work at a private clinic because she didn't want the vaccine. The strongest case is my other cousin from my dads side who works for the CDC up in Minnesota testing facility and left a few weeks ago to go work for 3M said, between you me and a lamp post don't get the vaccine. Said some other crazy stuff with the data she saw but I can't say that here cause its not published yet, not about to stir this even more. The only one who was on slightly positive on the vaccine but still picked no sides was my doctor, who I have follow ups every three months for my bicep tendon surgery. Said I think theirs plenty of data out there and information to decide what is best for your circumstance. Was talking to my ex wife the other day about what to do for our daughter if we were going to vaccinate her if it came up, and asked her to talk to her doctor, the same answer came back. So again for people like myself who are getting told not to do it from the healthcare professionals you can understand why some of us are hesitant.

[DOT]

It establishes a very dangerous precedent for an organization/government to establish mandates on a group of individuals.

Finally, someone gets it!

I expect your support for getting rid of hand washing mandates as well, as it is tyrannical for businesses to force their employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom. I wash my hands myself, but I respect the right of others to not do so, as it is a personal choice.

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[cccmonteiro]

Players can say no the vaccine.

The NBA, as a private entity, can/should refuse employement and void existing contracts.

Everyone would be happy.

P.S.: Good luck getting employed as a basketball player elsewhere.

[infinite11285]

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So the "gotcha" here is supposed to be that people indoors unmasked in close quarters are catching Covid? How many of them have been hospitalized?

This is an example of the current vaccines failing to prevent infection and spread of the virus.

The premise that everyone should get vaccinated in order to prevent further spread of the virus is a flawed premise.

If you want to argue that people should get the vaccine to protect themselves personally, then that is a different argument. However, that is a personal decision. There is less of an argument that my decision whether or not to get vaccinated affects your health.

You can still expect players and team personnel to miss games this year due to covid, whether they're vaccinated or not.

Spreading stuff like this is so disingenuous and misleading. Breakthrough cases are not evidence of “vaccine failure” and blanket hyperboles such as that show a lack of knowledge on vaccines in general.

Breakthrough cases of polio—including deaths—were common during early polio vaccination.

What kept us safe was not perfect vaccine efficacy. It was that Americans quickly & massively stepped up to get the imperfect vaccine, quashing transmission and mitigating severe infection.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1919968/?page=8

[DOT]

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Spreading stuff like this is so disingenuous and misleading.

Breakthrough cases of polio—including deaths—were common during early polio vaccination.

What kept us safe was not perfect vaccine efficacy. It was that Americans quickly & massively stepped up to get the imperfect vaccine, quashing transmission.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1919968/?page=8

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are about 10,000 students at Harvard, about half undergrads, half grad students (seriously, correct me if I'm wrong, I saw multiple conflicting numbers, so I chose on the smaller side)

With 74 positive tests, that would be an infection rate of .74%, which is well less than the 5% that are unvaccinated, and just a small number overall. Also to be noted, it's a temporary move to online classes, just til Oct 3rd, taken as a proactive measure to stop it before it gets out of hand

Just saying "HARVARD OUTBREAK WHEN HIGH VACCINE" without the numbers is disingenuous at best, intentionally misleading at worst.

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[GamecockFan1024]

Just curious about the ratio of non-vaxxed NBA players who went to college for six weeks versus those who actually got a degree, which included a science class or two.

Besides, the sole purpose of the vaccination is to protect against the virus so I'm not sure why people would be upset if others choose to be unvaccinated.

The primary goal is to reduce hospitalizations and deaths. Slowing spread and reducing the severity of mutations are side benefits. Public health is not a "personal choice." We don't live in bubbles. One's polio, measles, and Covid affect and infect other people and society at large. If one chooses to opt out of society at large by not getting your common childhood vaccines (of which Covid is likely to be one someday soon), then at the very least one should just stop whining about the fact that no one wants to live/work/play with them.

Make leper colonies great again.

A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease. It's plain and simple what the definition of a vaccine is. It's not to "reduce hospitalizations". It's a choice a group of individuals make to acquire immunity to the disease. Personal freedom is a big deal to a lot of people in this country and it is being infringed upon them by a group of individuals who prioritize rushed and expedited vaccines over people's personal choices. Reactions to side effects, delta variants, lack of proven long term data are all significant reasons why people are hesitant. Stop trying to push your beliefs on to others.

[infinite11285]

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Spreading stuff like this is so disingenuous and misleading.

Breakthrough cases of polio—including deaths—were common during early polio vaccination.

What kept us safe was not perfect vaccine efficacy. It was that Americans quickly & massively stepped up to get the imperfect vaccine, quashing transmission.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1919968/?page=8

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are about 10,000 students at Harvard, about half undergrads, half grad students (seriously, correct me if I'm wrong, I saw multiple conflicting numbers, so I chose on the smaller side)

With 74 positive tests, that would be an infection rate of .74%, which is well less than the 5% that are unvaccinated, and just a small number overall. Also to be noted, it's a temporary move to online classes, just til Oct 3rd, taken as a proactive measure to stop it before it gets out of hand

Just saying "HARVARD OUTBREAK WHEN HIGH VACCINE" without the numbers is disingenuous at best, intentionally misleading at worst.

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You are correct in questioning ignored nuances designed to intentionally spread misinformation.

Harvard reported 31,655 students including 10,063 undergraduate and 21,592 graduate students for the academic year 2019-2020. MBA students comprise roughly 9% of the student population at the University. 60 of the 74 positive reported cases have been graduate students.

So yes, screaming OUTBREAK from the mountaintops involving a positive spike of less than 1% of the total student body is extremely disingenuous and misleading. The Dean of HBS acknowledged the current situation is an outlier compared to the rest of the school; one I’m confident will be addressed appropriately.

Going further to assert this situation is evidence of “vaccine failure” is just a flatout lie.

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[Questionquest]

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So yes, screaming OUTBREAK from the mountaintops involving a positive spike of less than 1% of the total student body is extremely disingenuous and misleading. .

Headline:
"COVID-19 OUTBREAK REPORTED AT LA MEGACHURCH THAT HELD INDOOR SERVICES IN DEFIANCE OF COURT RULING"

Actual article:

"So far, there have been three confirmed cases at Grace Community Church, which has held indoor worship services for the past several weeks An estimated 7,000 people attend the congregation"

Let's talk about nuance