2021-22 Rookie Thread

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Who will be the three best rookies?

Cade Cunningham
130
14%
Jalen Green
148
16%
Evan Mobley
187
21%
Scottie Barnes
225
25%
Jalen Suggs
51
6%
Josh Giddey
82
9%
Jonathan Kuminga
6
1%
Trey Murphy
11
1%
James Bouknight
15
2%
Other
44
5%
 
Total votes: 899

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Post#161 » by khufure » Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:34 pm

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that dude's arm length reminds me of scottie pippen's arm length. freak arms, big hands. he looks like he got less birdlike bones which makes him stronger but not as quick.
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#163 » by Jadoogar » Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:33 pm

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The_Hater wrote:Anyways, I’m not talking about simmons v Barnes 2-3 years from now, I’m only discussing the present. Barnes should be a superior shooter in the future because of his work ethic.

Barnes shot isn't broken either like Simmons


i mean he's already a step up on Simmons because he's actually willing to shoot.
OG looked horrible in his first season too, now i would consider him a knockdown shooter. Obviously those kinds of transitions are rare, i don't think Barnes ever reaches that level but i think he can hit low 30% in a couple years because he's clearly practicing them.
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#164 » by The_Hater » Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:37 pm

Jadoogar wrote:
Creativetran wrote:
The_Hater wrote:Anyways, I’m not talking about simmons v Barnes 2-3 years from now, I’m only discussing the present. Barnes should be a superior shooter in the future because of his work ethic.

Barnes shot isn't broken either like Simmons


i mean he's already a step up on Simmons because he's actually willing to shoot.
OG looked horrible in his first season too, now i would consider him a knockdown shooter. Obviously those kinds of transitions are rare, i don't think Barnes ever reaches that level but i think he can hit low 30% in a couple years because he's clearly practicing them.


OG shot 37% from the arc his rookie season. And shot 45% one of his seasons at Indiana. So he started from a much higher level.
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#165 » by Jadoogar » Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:42 pm

The_Hater wrote:
Jadoogar wrote:
Creativetran wrote:Barnes shot isn't broken either like Simmons


i mean he's already a step up on Simmons because he's actually willing to shoot.
OG looked horrible in his first season too, now i would consider him a knockdown shooter. Obviously those kinds of transitions are rare, i don't think Barnes ever reaches that level but i think he can hit low 30% in a couple years because he's clearly practicing them.


OG shot 37% from the arc his rookie season. And shot 45% one of his seasons at Indiana. So he started from a much higher level.


It was such a low volume (less than 3 attempts). He shot 33% the following season on 0.3 more attempts. I don't think you can draw any conclusion from that sample.
This most recent season was his first season with significant attempts.
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#166 » by The_Hater » Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:05 pm

Jadoogar wrote:
The_Hater wrote:
Jadoogar wrote:
i mean he's already a step up on Simmons because he's actually willing to shoot.
OG looked horrible in his first season too, now i would consider him a knockdown shooter. Obviously those kinds of transitions are rare, i don't think Barnes ever reaches that level but i think he can hit low 30% in a couple years because he's clearly practicing them.


OG shot 37% from the arc his rookie season. And shot 45% one of his seasons at Indiana. So he started from a much higher level.


It was such a low volume (less than 3 attempts). He shot 33% the following season on 0.3 more attempts. I don't think you can draw any conclusion from that sample.
This most recent season was his first season with significant attempts.


We can draw conclusions when he had a 45% year in college. Looking at his NBA history, 33% is the aberration, not 37%. Even then, 33% is a figure that is well above anything Barnes has posted anywhere.
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#167 » by basketballRob » Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:14 pm

I think Barnes will end up a MCW type shooter. Around 25% from 3. He probably won't be that high this year tho.

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Post#168 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:43 pm

basketballRob wrote:I think Barnes will end up a MCW type shooter. Around 25% from 3. He probably won't be that high this year tho.

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I think thats overly pessimistic. MCW literally made no progress on his shot since college. Even Dray is at 32% over his career.

I think 25-28% this year with a optimistic chance of getting to 35% as he develops is reasonable.
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#169 » by basketballRob » Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:12 pm

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basketballRob wrote:I think Barnes will end up a MCW type shooter. Around 25% from 3. He probably won't be that high this year tho.

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I think thats overly pessimistic. MCW literally made no progress on his shot since college. Even Dray is at 32% over his career.

I think 25-28% this year with a optimistic chance of getting to 35% as he develops is reasonable.
He was 0-9 in the preseason.

He could still have a great career and be a sub par 3 PT. shooter.





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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#170 » by Slim Charlez » Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:44 pm

XTC wrote:Mobley and Barnes go #1 and #2 in a redraft. Both are legit game changers on the defensive end, with underrated offensive games. It's crazy how these two where so underappreciated by so many on this board.

Both are lengthy athletes with a natural feel for the game. It was obvious these two had the highest upside.


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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#171 » by Bornstellar » Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:25 pm

Slim Charlez wrote:
XTC wrote:Mobley and Barnes go #1 and #2 in a redraft. Both are legit game changers on the defensive end, with underrated offensive games. It's crazy how these two where so underappreciated by so many on this board.

Both are lengthy athletes with a natural feel for the game. It was obvious these two had the highest upside.


Season hasn't even started yet. :lol:

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Post#172 » by mademan » Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:10 pm

basketballRob wrote:I think Barnes will end up a MCW type shooter. Around 25% from 3. He probably won't be that high this year tho.

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Siakam came into the league shooting 14% from 3 and 68% from the FT line. Over the past 3 years he's shot 34% from 3 on 4.5 attempts/game (taking off the dribble 3's and the bail out shots as he's become the 1st option) and 80% from ft line.

Pretty weird to write off someone as a shooter seeing what the Raps have done with OG/Siakam/Norm, all of whom had big questions regarding their shooting and all of whom got form tweaks from the Raps development staff, 2 of whom have become elite/borderline elite 3pt shooters and the other a very respectable shooter given the shots he's forced to take (tf thought Siakam could even masquerade as a 1st option?)
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#173 » by basketballRob » Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:10 am

mademan wrote:
basketballRob wrote:I think Barnes will end up a MCW type shooter. Around 25% from 3. He probably won't be that high this year tho.

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Siakam came into the league shooting 14% from 3 and 68% from the FT line. Over the past 3 years he's shot 34% from 3 on 4.5 attempts/game (taking off the dribble 3's and the bail out shots as he's become the 1st option) and 80% from 3.

Pretty weird to write off someone as a shooter seeing what the Raps have done with OG/Siakam/Norm, all of whom had big questions regarding their shooting and all of whom got form tweaks from the Raps development staff, 2 of whom have become elite/borderline elite 3pt shooters and the other a very respectable shooter given the shots he's forced to take (tf thought Siakam could even masquerade as a 1st option?)
If they could make him a good shooter, it would be amazing. He was one of the worst shooters I ever saw, at Florida State.

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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#174 » by mademan » Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:13 am

basketballRob wrote:
mademan wrote:
basketballRob wrote:I think Barnes will end up a MCW type shooter. Around 25% from 3. He probably won't be that high this year tho.

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Siakam came into the league shooting 14% from 3 and 68% from the FT line. Over the past 3 years he's shot 34% from 3 on 4.5 attempts/game (taking off the dribble 3's and the bail out shots as he's become the 1st option) and 80% from 3.

Pretty weird to write off someone as a shooter seeing what the Raps have done with OG/Siakam/Norm, all of whom had big questions regarding their shooting and all of whom got form tweaks from the Raps development staff, 2 of whom have become elite/borderline elite 3pt shooters and the other a very respectable shooter given the shots he's forced to take (tf thought Siakam could even masquerade as a 1st option?)
If they could make him a good shooter, it would be amazing. He was one of the worst shooters I ever saw, at Florida State.

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you shoulda saw rookie year Siakam
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#175 » by basketballRob » Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:25 am

mademan wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
mademan wrote:
Siakam came into the league shooting 14% from 3 and 68% from the FT line. Over the past 3 years he's shot 34% from 3 on 4.5 attempts/game (taking off the dribble 3's and the bail out shots as he's become the 1st option) and 80% from 3.

Pretty weird to write off someone as a shooter seeing what the Raps have done with OG/Siakam/Norm, all of whom had big questions regarding their shooting and all of whom got form tweaks from the Raps development staff, 2 of whom have become elite/borderline elite 3pt shooters and the other a very respectable shooter given the shots he's forced to take (tf thought Siakam could even masquerade as a 1st option?)
If they could make him a good shooter, it would be amazing. He was one of the worst shooters I ever saw, at Florida State.

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you shoulda saw rookie year Siakam
I know he was really raw and didn't start playing basketball until really late.

Barnes isn't raw, he's played his whole life.

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Post#176 » by mademan » Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:55 am

basketballRob wrote:
mademan wrote:
basketballRob wrote:If they could make him a good shooter, it would be amazing. He was one of the worst shooters I ever saw, at Florida State.

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you shoulda saw rookie year Siakam
I know he was really raw and didn't start playing basketball until really late.

Barnes isn't raw, he's played his whole life.

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Norm Powell ws a 4 year graduate shooting 30% from 3 until the Raps got their hands on him. Helped him switched his form up and he quickly transformed into a shooter.

Barnes has a willingness to shoot; if he has a willingness to improve, i have no doubt that he'll be fine. He may never become elite, but i dont think being a solid shooter you have to respect is really out of reach at all.
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#177 » by Madhouse » Sat Oct 16, 2021 1:01 am

basketballRob wrote:
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basketballRob wrote:I think Barnes will end up a MCW type shooter. Around 25% from 3. He probably won't be that high this year tho.

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I think thats overly pessimistic. MCW literally made no progress on his shot since college. Even Dray is at 32% over his career.

I think 25-28% this year with a optimistic chance of getting to 35% as he develops is reasonable.
He was 0-9 in the preseason.

He could still have a great career and be a sub par 3 PT. shooter.





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that's not telling much.

2015 preseason rookie Norman Powell 0-9 from 3. 38% career 3 point shooter. 31% in college.
2016 preseason rookie Pascal Siakam 0-3 from 3. 33% career 3 point shooter. 18% in college.


Barnes shot 28% from 3 in college which isn't good obviously but if he improves in similar fashion, he will be somewhere between Siakam and Powell at around a 35% career 3pt shooter, it's probably going to take 2-3 years though.
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#178 » by HumbleRen » Sat Oct 16, 2021 1:28 am

Jalen Green consistently looks like the weakest player on the court at any given time.
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#179 » by DNice68 » Sat Oct 16, 2021 1:36 am

HumbleRen wrote:Jalen Green consistently looks like the weakest player on the court at any given time.

He needs to hit up the weight room!
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Re: 2021-22 Rookie Thread 

Post#180 » by Madhouse » Sat Oct 16, 2021 1:51 am

Jalen Green needs to improve by a lot. Right now it's not looking pretty.

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