dhsilv2 wrote:righterwriter wrote:dhsilv2 wrote:
Talent has ZERO to do with being good or not. He was factually KILLING his team every time he was on the floor. Horrible offensive and defensive awareness. You can be the most talented player to ever walk the planet, but if you make the wrong decision nearly every time down the court, you still suck. I swear the people who attack advanced stats are the same people who watch highlight reels and not actual games...
But if you'd like let me change my statement slightly.
Wiseman was the least valuable player in the league last year. Meaning of players who were put in a role/place to impact team success, he was the guy who hurt his team's chances of winning the most significantly. The only reason he might not win that award was thankfully for the warrior's playoff hopes he got hurt which drastically HELPED the team.
Nah, he was a talented player who had an impact, but who was a rookie at the same time. It all depends on the framing that people create to get across their point.
The guy who simply stated "he's the worst player in the league" is trying too hard. He was a raw rookie without much preparation due to crazy circumstances. Lots of guys fall in the same boat who ended up having HOF careers.
If RealGM in the 90s existed and looked at the rookie years of guys like Jermaine O'Neal, Kobe, KG, and many others, people with short sighted vision could make a similar point. It would be kind of stupid and shallow though, much like trying to use advanced stats to rip on James Wiseman based on his season as a 20 year old, who clearly has skills and physical attributes to show he can be a real player in the NBA, despite the circumstances of the Warriors going full veteran "win now" after Wiseman got hurt and letting Curry cook rather than giving time to their rookie to develop.
But yeah, go ahead and back up the argument that Wiseman is the worst and least valuable player in the league. We'll see what happens with his career, yeah? I'll bet on the upside along with what he showed as a rookie. You can bet on him being bad.
Who is claiming he won't become a good player or making any connection between how bad he was and how good he could be?
KD was the worst player in the league as a rookie. He's now an MVP level guy. The two aren't related.
Wiseman cost his team multiple games with his play last year. He was multiple losses worse than a random G leaguer who was ready for the league.
KD? Do you mean KG?
So are you willing to also make a post that says James Wiseman had a statistically similar rookie season to guys KG, Kobe, or Jermaine O'Neal and has HOF upside?
If you want to only rely on flawed advanced stats, you could say that his PER puts him in the middle of a lot of talented starters like Seth Curry and Draymond Green. His WS/48 number, while unimpressive, was still far better than Anthony Edwards, Dillon Brooks, and Darius Garland.
Your take was only that he's the worst and least valuable player in the league, which isn't even true based on your metrics and clearly is untrue based on his actual production. But what really got me was the lack of nuance in your point. It's a bit like someone hammering away at Trevor Lawrence or Zach Wilson right now as terrible QBs statistically while overlooking their actual skills displayed while being a rookie which makes them better and more valuable than guys like Taylor Heinecke, Jimmy G, or a number of other guys who might have better proficiency stats.
It's just not very salient on your part and unnecessarily drips in venom, for whatever reason you have.