RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll

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RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#1 » by Moonbeam » Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:45 am

The NBA is set to update the list of greatest players to include 75 greats from the past and present, with the list unveiled from October 19th. I thought it would be an interesting project to take a poll of RealGM users to see how the list we collectively compile compares to the official list that is released.

If you'd like to participate, submit a list of the 75 greatest players in history either to this thread or as a PM. The deadline is 11:59pm on October 17th, Eastern Standard Time.

The points for the players on each list will be awarded with the following formula:

Points = 1100/(10 + rank)

This creates a nice exponentially decaying a curve to give greater separation between the upper ranks, as shown below:

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Rank Points
   1 100.00
   2  91.67
   3  84.62
   4  78.57
   5  73.33
   6  68.75
   7  64.71
   8  61.11
   9  57.89
  10  55.00
  11  52.38
  12  50.00
  13  47.83
  14  45.83
  15  44.00
  16  42.31
  17  40.74
  18  39.29
  19  37.93
  20  36.67
  21  35.48
  22  34.38
  23  33.33
  24  32.35
  25  31.43
  26  30.56
  27  29.73
  28  28.95
  29  28.21
  30  27.50
  31  26.83
  32  26.19
  33  25.58
  34  25.00
  35  24.44
  36  23.91
  37  23.40
  38  22.92
  39  22.45
  40  22.00
  41  21.57
  42  21.15
  43  20.75
  44  20.37
  45  20.00
  46  19.64
  47  19.30
  48  18.97
  49  18.64
  50  18.33
  51  18.03
  52  17.74
  53  17.46
  54  17.19
  55  16.92
  56  16.67
  57  16.42
  58  16.18
  59  15.94
  60  15.71
  61  15.49
  62  15.28
  63  15.07
  64  14.86
  65  14.67
  66  14.47
  67  14.29
  68  14.10
  69  13.92
  70  13.75
  71  13.58
  72  13.41
  73  13.25
  74  13.10
  75  12.94


Ideally, your list will be ranked from #1 to #75, but I'm happy to accept lists with "tiers" or ties. In this case, all players given a tied position will be award points corresponding to the average position. For instance, if you decide to use tiers for 1-10, 11-30, and 31-75, all players in the top tier would be given points as if they were ranked 5.5, all players in the second tier would be given points as if they were ranked 20.5, and all players in the third tier would be given points as if they were ranked 53.

Finally, it can be hard to come up with a list without feeling like you are forgetting someone. To help, I've come up with a few criteria that can help identify viable candidates:

1. Ranking in the top 100 all-time in Win Shares
2. Ranking in the top 100 all-time in Hall of Fame probability (basketball-reference)
3. Ranking in the top 100 all-time in MVP shares
4. Ranking in the top 100 on the PC Board's most recent list (2020)
5. Ranking in the top 75 on the recently published HoopsHype list
6. Being selected for at least 1 All-Star Game
7. Being selected for at least 1 All-League team (All-NBA, All-BAA, or All-ABA)

A total of 155 players met at least 3 criteria. A further 29 players were selected to at least 5 All-Star Games. While this method of identifying candidates is far from perfect, I doubt many will select players from outside of this set of 184. I'll list the 184 players below by decade (most frequent decade of All-Star appearances), along with some accolades and rankings:

1950s:

Spoiler:
Andy Phillip: 5x All-Star, 2x All-League (0x 1st, 2x 2nd, 0x 3rd)
Bill Sharman: 8x All-Star, 7x All-League (4x 1st, 3x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #48 HOF probability
Bob Cousy: 13x All-Star, 12x All-League (10x 1st, 2x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #11 HOF probability, #50 MVP Shares, #63 RealGM List 2020, #37 HoopsHype List
Bobby Wanzer: 5x All-Star, 3x All-League (0x 1st, 3x 2nd, 0x 3rd)
Carl Braun: 5x All-Star, 2x All-League (0x 1st, 2x 2nd, 0x 3rd)
Dolph Schayes: 12x All-Star, 12x All-League (6x 1st, 6x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #32 WS, #25 HOF probability, #58 MVP Shares, #41 RealGM List 2020, #61 HoopsHype List
Ed Macauley: 7x All-Star, 4x All-League (3x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #89 WS, #57 HOF probability
George Mikan: 4x All-Star, 6x All-League (6x 1st, 0x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #71 WS, #37 HOF probability, #19 RealGM List 2020, #45 HoopsHype List
George Yardley: 6x All-Star, 2x All-League (1x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #81 MVP Shares
Harry Gallatin: 7x All-Star, 2x All-League (1x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #93 HOF probability
Joe Johnson: 7x All-Star, 1x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 1x 3rd)
Larry Foust: 8x All-Star, 2x All-League (1x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #74 HOF probability
Neil Johnston: 6x All-Star, 5x All-League (4x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #55 HOF probability
Paul Arizin: 10x All-Star, 4x All-League (3x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #70 WS, #32 HOF probability, #74 MVP Shares, #60 RealGM List 2020, #70 HoopsHype List
Slater Martin: 7x All-Star, 5x All-League (0x 1st, 5x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #53 HOF probability
Vern Mikkelsen: 6x All-Star, 4x All-League (0x 1st, 4x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #67 HOF probability


1960s:

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Bailey Howell: 6x All-Star, 1x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #57 WS, #77 HOF probability
Bill Russell: 12x All-Star, 11x All-League (3x 1st, 8x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #20 WS, #4 HOF probability, #6 MVP Shares, #4 RealGM List 2020, #5 HoopsHype List
Billy Cunningham: 5x All-Star, 6x All-League (4x 1st, 1x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #41 MVP Shares, #89 RealGM List 2020
Bob Pettit: 11x All-Star, 11x All-League (10x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #36 WS, #27 HOF probability, #19 MVP Shares, #25 RealGM List 2020, #31 HoopsHype List
Cliff Hagan: 6x All-Star, 2x All-League (0x 1st, 2x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #94 RealGM List 2020
Doug Moe: 3x All-Star, 4x All-League (1x 1st, 1x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #44 MVP Shares
Elgin Baylor: 11x All-Star, 10x All-League (10x 1st, 0x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #81 WS, #31 HOF probability, #32 MVP Shares, #33 RealGM List 2020, #21 HoopsHype List
Gene Shue: 5x All-Star, 2x All-League (1x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd)
Gus Johnson: 5x All-Star, 4x All-League (0x 1st, 4x 2nd, 0x 3rd)
Hal Greer: 10x All-Star, 7x All-League (0x 1st, 7x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #83 WS, #46 HOF probability, #82 RealGM List 2020, #74 HoopsHype List
Jack Twyman: 6x All-Star, 2x All-League (0x 1st, 2x 2nd, 0x 3rd)
Jerry Lucas: 7x All-Star, 5x All-League (3x 1st, 2x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #94 WS, #70 HOF probability
Jerry West: 14x All-Star, 12x All-League (10x 1st, 2x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #22 WS, #13 HOF probability, #26 MVP Shares, #13 RealGM List 2020, #17 HoopsHype List
Larry Brown: 3x All-Star, 2x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #86 MVP Shares
Larry Costello: 6x All-Star, 1x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd)
Lenny Wilkens: 9x All-Star, 0x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #98 WS, #56 HOF probability, #93 MVP Shares, #75 HoopsHype List
Nate Thurmond: 7x All-Star, 0x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #78 MVP Shares, #65 RealGM List 2020
Oscar Robertson: 12x All-Star, 11x All-League (9x 1st, 2x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #12 WS, #10 HOF probability, #22 MVP Shares, #14 RealGM List 2020, #12 HoopsHype List
Richie Guerin: 6x All-Star, 3x All-League (0x 1st, 3x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #95 HOF probability
Sam Jones: 5x All-Star, 3x All-League (0x 1st, 3x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #36 HOF probability, #56 RealGM List 2020
Tom Gola: 5x All-Star, 1x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd)
Tom Heinsohn: 6x All-Star, 4x All-League (0x 1st, 4x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #54 HOF probability
Walt Bellamy: 4x All-Star, 0x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #40 WS, #99 RealGM List 2020
Willis Reed: 7x All-Star, 5x All-League (1x 1st, 4x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #68 HOF probability, #43 MVP Shares, #45 RealGM List 2020, #60 HoopsHype List
Wilt Chamberlain: 13x All-Star, 10x All-League (7x 1st, 3x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #2 WS, #6 HOF probability, #11 MVP Shares, #6 RealGM List 2020, #6 HoopsHype List
Zelmo Beaty: 5x All-Star, 4x All-League (0x 1st, 2x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #74 WS, #57 MVP Shares


1970s:

Spoiler:
Artis Gilmore: 11x All-Star, 10x All-League (5x 1st, 0x 2nd, 5x 3rd), #10 WS, #48 MVP Shares, #40 RealGM List 2020
Bill Walton: 2x All-Star, 2x All-League (1x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #72 MVP Shares, #100 RealGM List 2020
Bob Lanier: 8x All-Star, 0x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #54 WS, #72 HOF probability, #71 MVP Shares, #57 RealGM List 2020
Bob McAdoo: 5x All-Star, 2x All-League (1x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #60 HOF probability, #34 MVP Shares, #77 RealGM List 2020, #51 HoopsHype List
Bobby Jones: 6x All-Star, 2x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #100 WS, #76 RealGM List 2020
Charlie Scott: 5x All-Star, 4x All-League (1x 1st, 1x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #67 MVP Shares
Chet Walker: 7x All-Star, 0x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #53 WS, #76 HOF probability
Connie Hawkins: 5x All-Star, 5x All-League (3x 1st, 0x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #28 MVP Shares
Dan Issel: 7x All-Star, 10x All-League (1x 1st, 4x 2nd, 5x 3rd), #23 WS, #68 MVP Shares, #90 RealGM List 2020
Dave Bing: 7x All-Star, 3x All-League (2x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #81 HOF probability, #84 MVP Shares
Dave Cowens: 8x All-Star, 3x All-League (0x 1st, 3x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #59 HOF probability, #36 MVP Shares, #54 RealGM List 2020, #68 HoopsHype List
Dave DeBusschere: 8x All-Star, 1x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #92 HOF probability
David Thompson: 5x All-Star, 4x All-League (2x 1st, 1x 2nd, 1x 3rd)
Donnie Freeman: 5x All-Star, 8x All-League (1x 1st, 3x 2nd, 4x 3rd), #79 MVP Shares
Elvin Hayes: 12x All-Star, 6x All-League (3x 1st, 3x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #48 WS, #22 HOF probability, #69 MVP Shares, #59 RealGM List 2020, #40 HoopsHype List
Gail Goodrich: 5x All-Star, 1x All-League (1x 1st, 0x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #100 HOF probability
George McGinnis: 6x All-Star, 8x All-League (3x 1st, 2x 2nd, 3x 3rd), #73 MVP Shares
Jimmy Jones: 6x All-Star, 6x All-League (3x 1st, 0x 2nd, 3x 3rd), #65 MVP Shares
Jo Jo White: 7x All-Star, 2x All-League (0x 1st, 2x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #87 HOF probability
John Havlicek: 13x All-Star, 11x All-League (4x 1st, 7x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #39 WS, #9 HOF probability, #95 MVP Shares, #34 RealGM List 2020, #28 HoopsHype List
Larry Jones: 4x All-Star, 6x All-League (3x 1st, 0x 2nd, 3x 3rd), #37 MVP Shares
Lou Hudson: 6x All-Star, 1x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd)
Louie Dampier: 7x All-Star, 8x All-League (0x 1st, 4x 2nd, 4x 3rd), #94 MVP Shares
Mack Calvin: 5x All-Star, 8x All-League (3x 1st, 1x 2nd, 4x 3rd), #98 MVP Shares
Maurice Lucas: 5x All-Star, 1x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd)
Mel Daniels: 7x All-Star, 10x All-League (4x 1st, 1x 2nd, 5x 3rd), #17 MVP Shares
Paul Westphal: 5x All-Star, 4x All-League (3x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd)
Pete Maravich: 5x All-Star, 4x All-League (2x 1st, 2x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #66 HoopsHype List
Ralph Simpson: 5x All-Star, 6x All-League (1x 1st, 2x 2nd, 3x 3rd)
Rick Barry: 12x All-Star, 14x All-League (9x 1st, 1x 2nd, 4x 3rd), #42 WS, #51 HOF probability, #27 MVP Shares, #35 RealGM List 2020, #36 HoopsHype List
Roger Brown: 4x All-Star, 6x All-League (1x 1st, 2x 2nd, 3x 3rd), #56 MVP Shares
Spencer Haywood: 5x All-Star, 6x All-League (3x 1st, 2x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #42 MVP Shares
Tiny Archibald: 6x All-Star, 5x All-League (3x 1st, 2x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #62 HOF probability, #75 MVP Shares
Walt Frazier: 7x All-Star, 6x All-League (4x 1st, 2x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #58 WS, #52 HOF probability, #30 RealGM List 2020, #58 HoopsHype List
Wes Unseld: 5x All-Star, 1x All-League (1x 1st, 0x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #65 WS, #62 MVP Shares, #70 RealGM List 2020, #53 HoopsHype List


1980s:

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Adrian Dantley: 6x All-Star, 2x All-League (0x 1st, 2x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #38 WS, #85 HOF probability, #55 RealGM List 2020
Alex English: 8x All-Star, 3x All-League (0x 1st, 3x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #87 WS, #80 HOF probability, #68 RealGM List 2020, #71 HoopsHype List
Bernard King: 4x All-Star, 4x All-League (2x 1st, 1x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #64 MVP Shares, #72 HoopsHype List
Buck Williams: 3x All-Star, 1x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #50 WS
Dennis Johnson: 5x All-Star, 2x All-League (1x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd)
George Gervin: 12x All-Star, 11x All-League (5x 1st, 4x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #56 WS, #65 HOF probability, #49 MVP Shares, #37 RealGM List 2020, #44 HoopsHype List
Gus Williams: 2x All-Star, 2x All-League (1x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #97 RealGM List 2020
Isiah Thomas: 12x All-Star, 5x All-League (3x 1st, 2x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #28 HOF probability, #92 MVP Shares, #43 RealGM List 2020, #26 HoopsHype List
Jack Sikma: 7x All-Star, 0x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #61 WS, #86 HOF probability, #96 RealGM List 2020
James Worthy: 7x All-Star, 2x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #82 HOF probability, #91 RealGM List 2020, #48 HoopsHype List
Julius Erving: 16x All-Star, 17x All-League (9x 1st, 3x 2nd, 5x 3rd), #14 WS, #41 HOF probability, #13 MVP Shares, #18 RealGM List 2020, #20 HoopsHype List
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 19x All-Star, 15x All-League (10x 1st, 5x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #1 WS, #1 HOF probability, #3 MVP Shares, #3 RealGM List 2020, #3 HoopsHype List
Kevin McHale: 7x All-Star, 1x All-League (1x 1st, 0x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #59 WS, #58 HOF probability, #91 MVP Shares, #52 RealGM List 2020, #55 HoopsHype List
Larry Bird: 12x All-Star, 10x All-League (9x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #28 WS, #20 HOF probability, #4 MVP Shares, #10 RealGM List 2020, #7 HoopsHype List
Larry Nance: 3x All-Star, 0x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #67 WS, #80 RealGM List 2020
Magic Johnson: 12x All-Star, 10x All-League (9x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #24 WS, #14 HOF probability, #5 MVP Shares, #7 RealGM List 2020, #4 HoopsHype List
Marques Johnson: 5x All-Star, 3x All-League (1x 1st, 2x 2nd, 0x 3rd)
Moses Malone: 13x All-Star, 8x All-League (4x 1st, 4x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #15 WS, #24 HOF probability, #16 MVP Shares, #20 RealGM List 2020, #15 HoopsHype List
Robert Parish: 9x All-Star, 2x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #26 WS, #49 HOF probability, #96 MVP Shares, #62 RealGM List 2020, #59 HoopsHype List
Sidney Moncrief: 5x All-Star, 5x All-League (1x 1st, 4x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #60 MVP Shares, #84 RealGM List 2020
Walter Davis: 6x All-Star, 2x All-League (0x 1st, 2x 2nd, 0x 3rd)


1990s:

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Alonzo Mourning: 7x All-Star, 2x All-League (1x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #79 HOF probability, #46 MVP Shares, #64 RealGM List 2020
Anfernee Hardaway: 4x All-Star, 3x All-League (2x 1st, 0x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #89 MVP Shares
Brad Daugherty: 5x All-Star, 1x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 1x 3rd)
Charles Barkley: 11x All-Star, 11x All-League (5x 1st, 5x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #17 WS, #29 HOF probability, #23 MVP Shares, #21 RealGM List 2020, #25 HoopsHype List
Chris Mullin: 5x All-Star, 4x All-League (1x 1st, 2x 2nd, 1x 3rd)
Clyde Drexler: 10x All-Star, 5x All-League (1x 1st, 2x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #37 WS, #44 HOF probability, #55 MVP Shares, #38 RealGM List 2020, #43 HoopsHype List
David Robinson: 10x All-Star, 10x All-League (4x 1st, 2x 2nd, 4x 3rd), #16 WS, #23 HOF probability, #15 MVP Shares, #17 RealGM List 2020, #23 HoopsHype List
Dennis Rodman: 2x All-Star, 2x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #99 HOF probability, #79 RealGM List 2020, #63 HoopsHype List
Detlef Schrempf: 3x All-Star, 1x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #68 WS
Dikembe Mutombo: 8x All-Star, 3x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #55 WS, #69 HOF probability, #58 RealGM List 2020
Dominique Wilkins: 9x All-Star, 7x All-League (1x 1st, 4x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #52 WS, #66 HOF probability, #52 MVP Shares, #73 RealGM List 2020, #42 HoopsHype List
Eddie Jones: 3x All-Star, 1x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #88 WS
Gary Payton: 9x All-Star, 9x All-League (2x 1st, 5x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #29 WS, #38 HOF probability, #53 MVP Shares, #48 RealGM List 2020, #41 HoopsHype List
Grant Hill: 7x All-Star, 5x All-League (1x 1st, 4x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #90 WS, #84 HOF probability, #70 MVP Shares, #83 RealGM List 2020
Hakeem Olajuwon: 12x All-Star, 12x All-League (6x 1st, 3x 2nd, 3x 3rd), #21 WS, #16 HOF probability, #21 MVP Shares, #9 RealGM List 2020, #11 HoopsHype List
Horace Grant: 1x All-Star, 0x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #51 WS, #87 RealGM List 2020
Jeff Hornacek: 1x All-Star, 0x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #69 WS, #88 RealGM List 2020
Joe Dumars: 6x All-Star, 3x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #97 HOF probability
John Stockton: 10x All-Star, 11x All-League (2x 1st, 6x 2nd, 3x 3rd), #6 WS, #26 HOF probability, #26 RealGM List 2020, #32 HoopsHype List
Karl Malone: 14x All-Star, 14x All-League (11x 1st, 2x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #4 WS, #15 HOF probability, #8 MVP Shares, #16 RealGM List 2020, #14 HoopsHype List
Kevin Johnson: 3x All-Star, 5x All-League (0x 1st, 4x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #75 RealGM List 2020
Michael Jordan: 14x All-Star, 11x All-League (10x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #5 WS, #3 HOF probability, #2 MVP Shares, #2 RealGM List 2020, #1 HoopsHype List
Mitch Richmond: 6x All-Star, 5x All-League (0x 1st, 3x 2nd, 2x 3rd)
Patrick Ewing: 11x All-Star, 7x All-League (1x 1st, 6x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #43 WS, #39 HOF probability, #35 MVP Shares, #29 RealGM List 2020, #35 HoopsHype List
Reggie Miller: 5x All-Star, 3x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 3x 3rd), #18 WS, #39 RealGM List 2020, #54 HoopsHype List
Scottie Pippen: 7x All-Star, 7x All-League (3x 1st, 2x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #45 WS, #42 HOF probability, #59 MVP Shares, #32 RealGM List 2020, #27 HoopsHype List
Shawn Kemp: 6x All-Star, 3x All-League (0x 1st, 3x 2nd, 0x 3rd)
Terry Porter: 2x All-Star, 0x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #64 WS, #93 RealGM List 2020
Tim Hardaway: 5x All-Star, 5x All-League (1x 1st, 3x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #94 HOF probability, #90 MVP Shares


2000s:

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Allen Iverson: 11x All-Star, 7x All-League (3x 1st, 3x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #92 WS, #30 HOF probability, #33 MVP Shares, #66 RealGM List 2020, #30 HoopsHype List
Amar'e Stoudemire: 6x All-Star, 5x All-League (1x 1st, 4x 2nd, 0x 3rd)
Ben Wallace: 4x All-Star, 5x All-League (0x 1st, 3x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #81 RealGM List 2020
Chauncey Billups: 5x All-Star, 3x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #47 WS, #89 HOF probability, #85 MVP Shares, #46 RealGM List 2020
Chris Webber: 5x All-Star, 5x All-League (1x 1st, 3x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #66 MVP Shares
Dick McGuire: 7x All-Star, 1x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd)
Dirk Nowitzki: 14x All-Star, 12x All-League (4x 1st, 5x 2nd, 3x 3rd), #8 WS, #19 HOF probability, #29 MVP Shares, #15 RealGM List 2020, #19 HoopsHype List
Elton Brand: 2x All-Star, 1x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #66 WS
Jason Kidd: 10x All-Star, 6x All-League (5x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #34 WS, #34 HOF probability, #47 MVP Shares, #36 RealGM List 2020, #38 HoopsHype List
Jermaine O'Neal: 6x All-Star, 3x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #80 MVP Shares
Kevin Garnett: 15x All-Star, 9x All-League (4x 1st, 3x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #9 WS, #12 HOF probability, #18 MVP Shares, #11 RealGM List 2020, #16 HoopsHype List
Kobe Bryant: 18x All-Star, 15x All-League (11x 1st, 2x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #19 WS, #5 HOF probability, #10 MVP Shares, #12 RealGM List 2020, #8 HoopsHype List
Paul Pierce: 10x All-Star, 4x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 3x 3rd), #25 WS, #45 HOF probability, #47 RealGM List 2020, #50 HoopsHype List
Peja Stojaković: 3x All-Star, 1x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #100 MVP Shares
Rasheed Wallace: 4x All-Star, 0x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #78 WS, #72 RealGM List 2020
Ray Allen: 10x All-Star, 2x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #30 WS, #43 HOF probability, #50 RealGM List 2020, #56 HoopsHype List
Shaquille O'Neal: 15x All-Star, 14x All-League (8x 1st, 2x 2nd, 4x 3rd), #13 WS, #8 HOF probability, #7 MVP Shares, #8 RealGM List 2020, #9 HoopsHype List
Shawn Marion: 4x All-Star, 2x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #46 WS, #98 HOF probability, #78 RealGM List 2020
Steve Nash: 8x All-Star, 7x All-League (3x 1st, 2x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #41 WS, #64 HOF probability, #24 MVP Shares, #27 RealGM List 2020, #33 HoopsHype List
Tim Duncan: 15x All-Star, 15x All-League (10x 1st, 3x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #7 WS, #7 HOF probability, #9 MVP Shares, #5 RealGM List 2020, #10 HoopsHype List
Tony Parker: 6x All-Star, 4x All-League (0x 1st, 3x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #63 WS, #75 HOF probability, #82 MVP Shares, #71 RealGM List 2020, #67 HoopsHype List
Tracy McGrady: 7x All-Star, 7x All-League (2x 1st, 3x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #96 WS, #71 HOF probability, #51 MVP Shares, #67 RealGM List 2020, #73 HoopsHype List
Vince Carter: 8x All-Star, 2x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #44 WS, #73 HOF probability, #69 RealGM List 2020, #69 HoopsHype List
Yao Ming: 8x All-Star, 5x All-League (0x 1st, 2x 2nd, 3x 3rd)


2010s-present:

Spoiler:
Al Horford: 5x All-Star, 1x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 1x 3rd)
Anthony Davis: 8x All-Star, 4x All-League (4x 1st, 0x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #61 HOF probability, #61 MVP Shares, #61 RealGM List 2020, #46 HoopsHype List
Blake Griffin: 6x All-Star, 5x All-League (0x 1st, 3x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #88 MVP Shares
Carmelo Anthony: 10x All-Star, 6x All-League (0x 1st, 2x 2nd, 4x 3rd), #79 WS, #63 HOF probability, #77 MVP Shares, #92 RealGM List 2020, #49 HoopsHype List
Chris Bosh: 11x All-Star, 1x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #75 WS, #50 HOF probability, #86 RealGM List 2020, #64 HoopsHype List
Chris Paul: 11x All-Star, 10x All-League (4x 1st, 5x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #11 WS, #18 HOF probability, #30 MVP Shares, #23 RealGM List 2020, #29 HoopsHype List
Damian Lillard: 6x All-Star, 6x All-League (1x 1st, 4x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #83 HOF probability, #87 MVP Shares, #85 RealGM List 2020, #52 HoopsHype List
Derrick Rose: 3x All-Star, 1x All-League (1x 1st, 0x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #45 MVP Shares
Draymond Green: 3x All-Star, 2x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #98 RealGM List 2020
Dwight Howard: 8x All-Star, 8x All-League (5x 1st, 1x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #35 WS, #47 HOF probability, #38 MVP Shares, #51 RealGM List 2020, #62 HoopsHype List
Dwyane Wade: 13x All-Star, 8x All-League (2x 1st, 3x 2nd, 3x 3rd), #49 WS, #17 HOF probability, #54 MVP Shares, #28 RealGM List 2020, #22 HoopsHype List
Giannis Antetokounmpo: 5x All-Star, 5x All-League (3x 1st, 2x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #25 MVP Shares, #74 RealGM List 2020, #24 HoopsHype List
James Harden: 9x All-Star, 7x All-League (6x 1st, 0x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #33 WS, #33 HOF probability, #12 MVP Shares, #31 RealGM List 2020, #39 HoopsHype List
Jimmy Butler: 5x All-Star, 4x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 4x 3rd)
Joakim Noah: 2x All-Star, 1x All-League (1x 1st, 0x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #97 MVP Shares
Joel Embiid: 4x All-Star, 3x All-League (0x 1st, 3x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #63 MVP Shares
John Wall: 5x All-Star, 1x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 1x 3rd)
Kawhi Leonard: 5x All-Star, 5x All-League (3x 1st, 2x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #96 HOF probability, #40 MVP Shares, #42 RealGM List 2020, #34 HoopsHype List
Kevin Durant: 11x All-Star, 9x All-League (6x 1st, 3x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #27 WS, #21 HOF probability, #14 MVP Shares, #22 RealGM List 2020, #13 HoopsHype List
Kevin Love: 5x All-Star, 2x All-League (0x 1st, 2x 2nd, 0x 3rd)
Klay Thompson: 5x All-Star, 2x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 2x 3rd)
Kyle Lowry: 6x All-Star, 1x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #95 WS, #88 HOF probability
Kyrie Irving: 7x All-Star, 3x All-League (0x 1st, 1x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #91 HOF probability
LaMarcus Aldridge: 7x All-Star, 5x All-League (0x 1st, 2x 2nd, 3x 3rd), #60 WS
LeBron James: 17x All-Star, 17x All-League (13x 1st, 3x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #3 WS, #2 HOF probability, #1 MVP Shares, #1 RealGM List 2020, #2 HoopsHype List
Luka Dončić: 2x All-Star, 2x All-League (2x 1st, 0x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #99 MVP Shares
Manu Ginóbili: 2x All-Star, 2x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #72 WS, #53 RealGM List 2020
Nikola Jokić: 3x All-Star, 3x All-League (2x 1st, 1x 2nd, 0x 3rd), #39 MVP Shares, #95 RealGM List 2020
Pau Gasol: 6x All-Star, 4x All-League (0x 1st, 2x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #31 WS, #78 HOF probability, #49 RealGM List 2020, #57 HoopsHype List
Paul George: 7x All-Star, 6x All-League (1x 1st, 0x 2nd, 5x 3rd), #90 HOF probability, #83 MVP Shares
Russell Westbrook: 9x All-Star, 9x All-League (2x 1st, 5x 2nd, 2x 3rd), #80 WS, #40 HOF probability, #31 MVP Shares, #44 RealGM List 2020, #47 HoopsHype List
Stephen Curry: 7x All-Star, 7x All-League (4x 1st, 2x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #62 WS, #35 HOF probability, #20 MVP Shares, #24 RealGM List 2020, #18 HoopsHype List
Tyson Chandler: 1x All-Star, 1x All-League (0x 1st, 0x 2nd, 1x 3rd), #84 WS


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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#2 » by TheBobster » Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:20 am

You probably should have included a couple of players from the late 40's - Bob Davies and certainly Joe Fulks.

Also, I probably wouldn't include ABA careers for consideration. Guys like Louie Dampier, Roger Brown, Ralph Simpson and Mel Daniels were certainly great players, but it should be exclusively NBA.
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#3 » by TheBobster » Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:29 am

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Nate Archibald
Paul Arizin
Charles Barkley
Rick Barry
Elgin Baylor
Larry Bird
Kobe Bryant
Wilt Chamberlain
Bob Cousy
Dave Cowens
Billy Cunningham
Stephen Curry
Bob Davies
Anthony Davis
Dave DeBusschere
Clyde Drexler
Tim Duncan
Kevin Durant
Julius Erving
Patrick Ewing
Walt Frazier
Joe Fulks
Kevin Garnett
Pau Gasol
George Gervin
Artis Gilmore
Hal Greer
James Harden
John Havlicek
Elvin Hayes
Dwight Howard
Allen Iverson
LeBron James
Magic Johnson
Neil Johnston
Nikola Jokić
Sam Jones
Michael Jordan
Jason Kidd
Kawhi Leonard
Damian Lillard
Jerry Lucas
Karl Malone
Moses Malone
Bob McAdoo
Kevin McHale
George Mikan
Steve Nash
Dirk Nowitzki
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille O’Neal
Robert Parish
Chris Paul
Gary Payton
Bob Pettit
Scottie Pippen
Willis Reed
Oscar Robertson
David Robinson
Bill Russell
Dolph Schayes
Bill Sharman
John Stockton
Isiah Thomas
Nate Thurmond
Wes Unseld
Dwayne Wade
Bill Walton
Jerry West
Russell Westbrook
Lenny Wilkens
Dominique Wilkins
George Yardley
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#4 » by Moonbeam » Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:43 am

TheBobster wrote:
Spoiler:
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Nate Archibald
Paul Arizin
Charles Barkley
Rick Barry
Elgin Baylor
Larry Bird
Kobe Bryant
Wilt Chamberlain
Bob Cousy
Dave Cowens
Billy Cunningham
Stephen Curry
Bob Davies
Anthony Davis
Dave DeBusschere
Clyde Drexler
Tim Duncan
Kevin Durant
Julius Erving
Patrick Ewing
Walt Frazier
Joe Fulks
Kevin Garnett
Pau Gasol
George Gervin
Artis Gilmore
Hal Greer
James Harden
John Havlicek
Elvin Hayes
Dwight Howard
Allen Iverson
LeBron James
Magic Johnson
Neil Johnston
Nikola Jokić
Sam Jones
Michael Jordan
Jason Kidd
Kawhi Leonard
Damian Lillard
Jerry Lucas
Karl Malone
Moses Malone
Bob McAdoo
Kevin McHale
George Mikan
Steve Nash
Dirk Nowitzki
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille O’Neal
Robert Parish
Chris Paul
Gary Payton
Bob Pettit
Scottie Pippen
Willis Reed
Oscar Robertson
David Robinson
Bill Russell
Dolph Schayes
Bill Sharman
John Stockton
Isiah Thomas
Nate Thurmond
Wes Unseld
Dwayne Wade
Bill Walton
Jerry West
Russell Westbrook
Lenny Wilkens
Dominique Wilkins
George Yardley


Thank you! Do you want to add tiers or anything, or just keep this as an unranked list?
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#5 » by Moonbeam » Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:48 am

TheBobster wrote:You probably should have included a couple of players from the late 40's - Bob Davies and certainly Joe Fulks.

Also, I probably wouldn't include ABA careers for consideration. Guys like Louie Dampier, Roger Brown, Ralph Simpson and Mel Daniels were certainly great players, but it should be exclusively NBA.


Davies and Fulks are early stars without question. Glad to see some love for 40s players. By no means are the 184 players I listed the only ones that could conceivably be selected, and the criteria I chose were a rather blunt instrument. It doesn't help that there were no MVP votes in the league's early history.

As far as the ABA goes, it's kind of a blurry subject. I agree most will consider BAA/NBA careers only, but the NBA used to honor milestones that included ABA contributions. It was a big deal when Dr. J hit 30,000 combined ABA and NBA points. I didn't want to exclude ABA accolades.
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#6 » by TheBobster » Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:16 am

Moonbeam wrote:
Thank you! Do you want to add tiers or anything, or just keep this as an unranked list?


I'll just throw it out there as an unranked list.

My other reason for not including the ABA is because the NBL is excluded despite several of the NBA teams (Lakers, Pistons, Hawks, Sixers, Kings) starting out there, and the NBA recognizes the merging of the two league while they still insist on calling the addition of the old ABA clubs as an expansion. Including the NBL would place players like Leroy Edwards, Bobby McDermott and Jim Pollard into consideration.
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#7 » by Hoop Heavy » Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:27 am

My first instinct is to eliminate 5 to 10 guys from the back end of the 50 Greatest Ever ... and then fill in the left over slots primarily with players since that time and a few more old favourites.
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#8 » by Moonbeam » Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:38 am

Hoop Heavy wrote:My first instinct is to eliminate 5 to 10 guys from the back end of the 50 Greatest Ever ... and then fill in the left over slots primarily with players since that time and a few more old favourites.


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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#9 » by Paddy Brosso » Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:12 am

Ok, here's my attempt:
1) Michael Jordan
2) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3) LeBron James
4) Wilt Chamberlain
5) Tim Duncan
6) Bill Russell
7) Magic Johnson
8) Shaquille O'Neal
9) Larry Bird
10) Kobe Bryant
11) Hakeem Olajuwon
12) Oscar Robertson
13) Jerry West
14) Karl Malone
15) Kevin Garnett
16) Dirk Nowitzki
17) Kevin Durant
18) Stephen Curry
19) David Robinson
20) Moses Malone
21) Julius Erving
22) Charles Barkley
23) Elgin Baylor
24) Dwayne Wade
25) Bob Pettit
26) John Havlicek
27) Scottie Pippen
28) John Stockton
29) Giannis Antetokounmpo
30) Isiah Thomas
31) Chris Paul
32) Steve Nash
33) Patrick Ewing
34) Clyde Drexler
35) Jason Kidd
36) George Mikan
37) Bob Cousy
38) Walt Frazier
39) Elvin Hayes
40) Gary Payton
41) James Harden
42) Russell Westbrook
43) Allen Iverson
44) George Gervin
45) Rick Barry
46) Dolph Schayes
47) Dominique Wilkins
48) Paul Pierce
49) Pau Gasol
50) Reggie Miller
51) Ray Allen
52) Wes Unseld
53) Willis Reed
54) Bob McAdoo
55) Dwight Howard
56) Kevin McHale
57) Robert Parish
58) Kawhi Leonard
59) Dennis Rodman
60) Tracy McGrady
61) Dikembe Mutombo
62) Ben Wallace
63) Tony Parker
64) Manu Ginobili
65) Tiny Archibald
66) Dave Cowens
67) Bill Walton
68) Chauncey Billups
69) James Worthy
70) Carmelo Anthony
71) Walt Bellamy
72) Adrian Dantley
73) Alex English
74) Pete Maravich
75) Chris Webber
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#10 » by Moonbeam » Mon Oct 11, 2021 12:21 pm

It was fun putting this together. It's easy to obsess over minutiae to change, but I think I'll leave this as is.

[1] Michael Jordan
[2] Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
[3] LeBron James
[4] Bill Russell
[5] Wilt Chamberlain
[6] Tim Duncan
[7] Magic Johnson
[8] Shaquille O'Neal
[9] Larry Bird
[10] Hakeem Olajuwon
[11] Jerry West
[12] Oscar Robertson
[13] Kobe Bryant
[14] Julius Erving
[15] Kevin Garnett
[16] Dirk Nowitzki
[17] Kevin Durant
[18] David Robinson
[19] Karl Malone
[20] Stephen Curry
[21] George Mikan
[22] Moses Malone
[23] Charles Barkley
[24] Dwyane Wade
[25] Bob Pettit
[26] Chris Paul
[27] Scottie Pippen
[28] Walt Frazier
[29] Elgin Baylor
[30] Giannis Antetokounmpo
[31] John Stockton
[32] Patrick Ewing
[33] Steve Nash
[34] John Havlicek
[35] Kawhi Leonard
[36] Clyde Drexler
[37] Artis Gilmore
[38] Dwight Howard
[39] Reggie Miller
[40] Rick Barry
[41] Gary Payton
[42] Paul Pierce
[43] Willis Reed
[44] Isiah Thomas
[45] James Harden
[46] Anthony Davis
[47] Ray Allen
[48] Kevin McHale
[49] Dolph Schayes
[50] Jason Kidd
[51] Pau Gasol
[52] Robert Parish
[53] Adrian Dantley
[54] Russell Westbrook
[55] George Gervin
[56] Alonzo Mourning
[57] Alex English
[58] Dave Cowens
[59] Kevin Johnson
[60] Bob Lanier
[61] Dikembe Mutombo
[62] Nate Thurmond
[63] Allen Iverson
[64] Dominique Wilkins
[65] Bob Cousy
[66] Elvin Hayes
[67] Manu Ginóbili
[68] Tracy McGrady
[69] Sam Jones
[70] James Worthy
[71] Paul Arizin
[72] Bob McAdoo
[73] Sidney Moncrief
[74] Chauncey Billups
[75] Bill Walton

The 10 most difficult cuts:

Dennis Rodman
Ben Wallace
Nikola Jokić
Bernard King
Joe Dumars
Damian Lillard
Grant Hill
Bill Sharman
Wes Unseld
Vince Carter
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#11 » by batmana » Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:07 pm

I would love to make a list for this project. I don't have a top 100 so I might resort to tiers after some point but I'll do my best to send it before the announced deadline.

Slightly OT but for the official NBA project, what exactly are your thoughts guys? I don't think they are going to drop anyone of the top 50 players even if they are technically no longer top 75. It's not like any of them has ruined his image in some way so I think dropping someone would be considered rude. In fact, this is where I expect the differences to come from. I will try to come up with a top 75 regardless of whether the 50 players from the top 50 list make the cut or not but I don't think the NBA will proceed like that.
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Post#12 » by JN61 » Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:12 pm

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. LeBron James
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Bill Russell
6. Magic Johnson
7. Tim Duncan
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Oscar Robertson
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Larry Bird
12. Kobe Bryant
13. Jerry West
14. Kevin Garnett
15. Dirk Nowitzki
16. Karl Malone
17. Kevin Durant
18. Julius Erving
19. Charles Barkley
20. David Robinson
21. George Mikan
22. Elgin Baylor
23. John Havlicek
24. Moses Malone
25. Dwyane Wade
26. Stephen Curry
27. Scottie Pippen
28. Chris Paul
29. John Stockton
30. Patrick Ewing
31. Bob Pettit
32. Steve Nash
33. James Harden
34. Rick Barry
35. Russell Westbrook
36. Giannis Antetokounmpo
37. Jason Kidd
38. Bob Cousy
39. Kawhi Leonard
40. Isiah Thomas
41. Walt Frazier
42. Reggie Miller
43. George Gervin
44. Clyde Drexler
45. Gary Payton
46. James Worthy
47. Dolph Schayes
48. Dwight Howard
49. Adrian Dantley
50. Artis Gilmore
51. Elvin Hayes
52. Pau Gasol
53. Chauncey Billups
54. Paul Pierce
55. Kevin McHale
56. Allen Iverson
57. Kevin Johnson
58. Ray Allen
59. Sam Jones
60. Carmelo Anthony
61. Dennis Rodman
62. Dave Cowens
63. Willis Reed
64. Anthony Davis
65. Paul Arizin
66. Alonzo Mourning
67. Manu Ginobili
68. Damian Lillard
69. Robert Parish
70. Nate Thurmond
71. Dikembe Mutombo
72. Chris Bosh
73. Alex English
74. Bob Lanier
75. Vince Carter


As of before start of 2022 season. Last 60 to 75 are very hard to rank especially when you aren't into wasting entire day thinking about it.
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Post#13 » by Narigo » Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:11 pm

1.LeBron James
2.Michael Jordan
3.Kareem Abdul Jabbar
4.Wilt Chamberlain
5.Tim Duncan
6.Shaquille O'Neal
7.Bill Russell
8.Hakeem Olajuwon
9.Magic Johnson
10.Larry Bird
11.Karl Malone
12.Kevin Garnett
13.Kobe Bryant
14.Oscar Robertson
15.Dirk Nowitzki
16.Julius Erving
17.Jerry West
18.David Robinson
19.Chris Paul
20.Charles Barkley
21.Moses Malone
22.Kevin Durant
23.Stephen Curry
24.Bob Pettit
25.Dwyane Wade
26.James Harden
27.John Havichek
28.John Stockton
29.Jason Kidd
30.Scottie Pippen
31.Patrick Ewing
32.Clyde Drexler
33.Steve Nash
34.Artis Gilmore
35.George Mikan
36.Walt Frazier
37.Rick Barry
38.Dolph Schayes
39.Reggie Miller
40.Isiah Thomas
41.Russell Westbrook
42.Paul Pierce
43.Gary Payton
44.Ray Allen
45.Elgin Baylor
46.Bob Lanier
47.George Gervin
48.Pau Gasol
49.Robert Parish
50.Dikembe Mutombo
51.Wes Unseld
52.Kevin Mchale
53.Chauncey Billups
54.Elvin Hayes
55.Vince Carter
56.Tracy McGrady
57.Allen Iverson
58.Dominique Wilkens
59.Dwight Howard
60.Alonzo Mourning
61.Adrian Dantley
62.Bob Cousy
63.Dan Issel
64.Kawhi Leonard
65.Anthony Davis
66.Giannis Antekoumpo
67.Manu Ginobili
68.Shawn Marion
69.Grant Hill
70.Kevin Johnson
71.Damian Lillard
72.Dave Cowens
73.Alex English
74.Ben Wallace
75.Paul Arizin
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#14 » by Johnny Tomala » Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:52 pm

batmana wrote:I would love to make a list for this project. I don't have a top 100 so I might resort to tiers after some point but I'll do my best to send it before the announced deadline.

Slightly OT but for the official NBA project, what exactly are your thoughts guys? I don't think they are going to drop anyone of the top 50 players even if they are technically no longer top 75. It's not like any of them has ruined his image in some way so I think dropping someone would be considered rude. In fact, this is where I expect the differences to come from. I will try to come up with a top 75 regardless of whether the 50 players from the top 50 list make the cut or not but I don't think the NBA will proceed like that.


They will drop someone. Journalists voted for 75 players, it isn't 50 from NBA 50 list and 25 new players.
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Post#15 » by batmana » Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:18 pm

I made an effort to rank them even though at some point it's really tiers of players and I might rank them differently on another day or after a different line of thinking.

1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Bill Russell
4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
5. Shaquille O'Neal
6. Tim Duncan
7. Wilt Chamberlain
8. Magic Johnson
9. Larry Bird
10. Kobe Bryant
11. Hakeem Olajuwon
12. Dirk Nowitzki
13. Moses Malone
14. Karl Malone
15. Jerry West
16. George Mikan
17. Julius Erving
18. David Robinson
19. Charles Barkley
20. Oscar Robertson
21. Kevin Durant
22. Bob Pettit
23. Elgin Baylor
24. Dwyane Wade
25. Stephen Curry
26. Scottie Pippen
27. Patrick Ewing
28. Kevin Garnett
29. Bob Cousy
30. Allen Iverson
31. Bill Walton
32. Rick Barry
33. Isiah Thomas
34. John Stockton
35. Walt Frazier
36. John Havlicek
37. Jason Kidd
38. Chris Paul
39. George Gervin
40. Steve Nash
41. Giannis Antetokounmpo
42. Elvin Hayes
43. Reggie Miller
44. Willis Reed
45. Wes Unseld
46. Dave Cowens
47. Pete Maravich
48. Earl Monroe
49. Dikembe Mutombo
50. Jerry Lucas
51. Dave Bing
52. Gary Payton
53. Kevin McHale
54. Bob McAdoo
55. James Worthy
56. Russell Westbrook
57. Sam Jones
58. Robert Parish
59. Nate Thurmond
60. Clyde Drexler
61. Dominique Wilkins
62. Dolph Schayes
63. Artis Gilmore
64. Paul Arizin
65. Nate Archibald
66. Bill Sharman
67. Paul Pierce
68. Bob Lanier
69. Walt Bellamy
70. Hal Greer
71. Bernard King
72. Alonzo Mourning
73. Ray Allen
74. Dennis Rodman
75. Carmelo Anthony

tougest omissions (next 5):
Dave DeBusschere, James Harden, Billy Cunningham, Pau Gasol, Lenny Wilkens
88.0 FGA Team
C - Gilmore (81-82)/McHale
PF - Rodman (91-92)/McHale (87-88)
SF - Worthy (85-86)/Rodman/Ariza
SG - Miller (93-94)/Ariza (08-09)/Dragic
PG - Johnson (88-89)/Dragic (09-10)
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#16 » by bisme37 » Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:22 pm

Hoopshype took their shot at a Top 75 of all time list if anyone wants to check it out...

https://hoopshype.com/lists/75-greatest-nba-players-ever-the-hoopshype-list/
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#17 » by Moonbeam » Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:45 pm

bisme37 wrote:Hoopshype took their shot at a Top 75 of all time list if anyone wants to check it out...

https://hoopshype.com/lists/75-greatest-nba-players-ever-the-hoopshype-list/


I've seen that one. I wish I could see the USA Today list, but it's behind a paywall. Are there any other sports publications or sites that have put out lists?
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#18 » by Fundamentals21 » Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:23 pm

1. Michael Jordan
2. Bill Russell
3. LeBron James
4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
5. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Shaquille O’Neal
7. Magic Johnson
8. Hakeem Olajuwon
9. Tim Duncan
10. Steph Curry
11. Larry Bird
12. Kobe Bryant
13. Oscar Robertson
14. Jerry West
15. David Robinson
16. Julius Erving
17. Karl Malone
18. Charles Barkley
19. Kevin Durant
20. Kevin Garnett
21. Moses Malone
22. Dwayne Wade
23. George Mikan
24. Patrick Ewing
25. Dirk Nowitzki
26. Walt Frazier
27. Bob Pettit
28.John Stockton
29. Steve Nash
30. Chris Paul
31. Scottie Pippen
32. Elgin Baylor
33. Clyde Drexler
34. Gary Payton
35. Kawhi Leonard
36. Isiah Thomas
37. Giannis Antetokounmpo
39. Dolph Schayes
39. John Havlicek
40. Rick Barry
41. Reggie Miller
42. Bob Cousy
43. Willis Reed
44. George Gervin
45. Jason Kidd
46. Elvin Hayes
47. Dominique Wilkins
48. James Harden
49. Kevin McHale
50. Dwight Howard
51. Bernard King
52. Sam Jones
53. Allen Iverson
54. Paul PIerce
55. Ray Allen
56. Sidney Moncrief
57. Marques Johnson
58. Artis Gilmore
59. Dave Cowens
60. Lenny Wilkens
61. Russell Westbrook
62. Vince Carter
63. Carmelo Anthony
64. Paul Arizin
65. Alonzo Mourning
66. Pau Gasol
67. Dennis Johnson
68. Alex English
69. Tracy McGrady
70. Wes Unseld
71. Pete Maravich
72. Hal Greer
73. Damian Lillard
74. Anthony Davis
75. Nikola Jokic


In my brain somewhere I think this list needs an edit everyday. Oh well.

Good posts on older players. They're always the toughest to rate for me.

Edit - Forgot Dwight Howard, posted him at 49.'

Edit 2 - Lol, forgot Pippen. He's at 31.
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#19 » by bwgood77 » Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:57 pm

Dr. J feels more like fringe top 10 than between 15 and 22. As much as I liked KG and some of those people have ahead of them, Dr. J just feels like a bigger star player than many of those guys..not sure how many on that list had 17 all league, but that's a hell of a lot.
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Post#20 » by Moonbeam » Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:35 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Dr. J feels more like fringe top 10 than between 15 and 22. As much as I liked KG and some of those people have ahead of them, Dr. J just feels like a bigger star player than many of those guys..not sure how many on that list had 17 all league, but that's a hell of a lot.


Yeah, Dr. J was incredible and I feel his star is slightly fading more than it should. I've seen compelling arguments that although the ABA started out as a clearly weaker league, it pretty much closed the gap by the merger, and Dr J absolutely crushed the final ABA season before the merger and made an excellent transition to the NBA.

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