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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#41 » by bwgood77 » Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:35 am

Moonbeam wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Nice to see Larry Bird around 6 or 7 on some recent lists. I think he is probably a top 5 guy and really can't believe he could fall out of the top 10 or even near the bottom of it. Unless a lot of weight is just put on him injuring his back and not having a long career. At his peak I am not sure anyone is more impressive outside of Jordan and probably Kareem, though I haven't seen much of Wilt.


Hoping you've got a list on the way. :)


Not sure I have time and after a while it would probably take me too much research, but it's great to see other's lists.
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#42 » by jazzfan1971 » Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:40 pm

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jazzfan1971 wrote:Kinda odd, but I've always considered Stockton>Malone. Looks like the rest of the world votes the other way.


I'd love to see a list from you!


My knowledge of the game is pretty limited to 1988-2016 or so. Before or after that it gets pretty limited. No idea how good George Mikan was for instance. So other than looking at stats from a completely different era I would be clueless.

And even then all my knowledge comes in the form of teams playing the jazz. Well, and a healthy dose of fantasy ball for a decade or so. So I have a weird built in bias where players that were good vs. the jazz get ranked higher than they should and ones bad vs. the Jazz lower.

But, I do feel like I can rank Jazz players in that time frame pretty well. And while I have Malone ranked very high, I just have Stockton higher.

But I do seem to be alone in that opinion.
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#43 » by Moonbeam » Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:01 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:
Moonbeam wrote:
jazzfan1971 wrote:Kinda odd, but I've always considered Stockton>Malone. Looks like the rest of the world votes the other way.


I'd love to see a list from you!


My knowledge of the game is pretty limited to 1988-2016 or so. Before or after that it gets pretty limited. No idea how good George Mikan was for instance. So other than looking at stats from a completely different era I would be clueless.

And even then all my knowledge comes in the form of teams playing the jazz. Well, and a healthy dose of fantasy ball for a decade or so. So I have a weird built in bias where players that were good vs. the jazz get ranked higher than they should and ones bad vs. the Jazz lower.

But, I do feel like I can rank Jazz players in that time frame pretty well. And while I have Malone ranked very high, I just have Stockton higher.

But I do seem to be alone in that opinion.


No problem! I have seen some others rate Stockton ahead of Malone, so you're not on your own, but it isn't the general view. I'd love to see your reasoning for it!
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#44 » by Moonbeam » Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:04 pm

Last chance for any lists!
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#45 » by jazzfan1971 » Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:36 pm

Moonbeam wrote:
jazzfan1971 wrote:
Moonbeam wrote:
I'd love to see a list from you!


My knowledge of the game is pretty limited to 1988-2016 or so. Before or after that it gets pretty limited. No idea how good George Mikan was for instance. So other than looking at stats from a completely different era I would be clueless.

And even then all my knowledge comes in the form of teams playing the jazz. Well, and a healthy dose of fantasy ball for a decade or so. So I have a weird built in bias where players that were good vs. the jazz get ranked higher than they should and ones bad vs. the Jazz lower.

But, I do feel like I can rank Jazz players in that time frame pretty well. And while I have Malone ranked very high, I just have Stockton higher.

But I do seem to be alone in that opinion.


No problem! I have seen some others rate Stockton ahead of Malone, so you're not on your own, but it isn't the general view. I'd love to see your reasoning for it!


Well, they were both great. Can't take away much from either player. But, I think Stockton's skills were more special. He was teh best floor general I've ever seen play. Bar none. Such a good leader too. All he really had to do was step onto the court later in his career and the rest of the team settled into their roles. Like a hive of bees getting their queen back. His gets top marks for efficiency, competiteness, and clutchness as well. I believe he would have been a hall of famer no matter what team he would have landed on.

Malone was great as well. A physical marvel. Early in his career he was a monster in the post, just giving him the ball almost guaranteed a bucket or free throws. Later on, he transitioned into a mid range shooter with quite a bit of success there as well. Unlike Stockon, I'm not sure he would have had the same level of success no matter where he landed. He would have been an all-star no matter where, no doubt. But, I can see a world where he struggled more as a player if he had a lesser PG/coach/team to work with.

For me, Stockton was the Jazz MVP. And Malone a very close second.
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#46 » by Moonbeam » Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:29 am

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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#47 » by Moonbeam » Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:45 am

In the end, we received 10 ballots, which isn't fantastic, but nonetheless interesting.

Here are the players who didn't crack the top 75:

[109] Chris Webber: 1 vote, 12.94 points
[108] Slater Martin: 1 vote, 13.10 points
[107] Chris Bosh: 1 vote, 13.41 points
[106] Tom Heinsohn: 1 vote, 13.58 points
[105] Grant Hill: 1 vote, 13.92 points
[104] Shawn Marion: 1 vote, 14.10 points
[103] Dennis Johnson: 1 vote, 14.47 points
[102] Dan Issel: 1 vote, 15.07 points
[101] Marques Johnson: 1 vote, 16.67 points
[100] Dave Bing: 1 vote, 18.03 points
[99] Earl Monroe: 1 vote, 18.97 points
[T96] Billy Cunningham: 1 vote, 22.92 points
[T96] Joe Fulks: 1 vote, 22.92 points
[T96] Rasheed Wallace: 1 vote, 22.92 points
[95] Walt Bellamy: 2 votes, 27.50 points
[94] Tony Parker: 2 votes, 28.01 points
[93] Ben Wallace: 2 votes, 28.37 points
[92] Bob Davies: 2 votes, 36.17 points
[91] Dave DeBusschere: 2 votes, 36.67 points
[90] Lenny Wilkens: 2 votes, 38.86 points
[89] Vince Carter: 3 votes, 45.36 points
[88] George Yardley: 2 votes, 45.83 points
[87] Pete Maravich: 3 votes, 46.14 points
[86] Nikola Jokić: 3 votes, 50.68 points
[85] Tiny Archibald: 3 votes, 52.25 points
[84] Jerry Lucas: 3 votes, 56.96 points
[83] Manu Ginóbili: 4 votes, 57.72 points
[82] Kevin Johnson: 4 votes, 59.05 points
[81] Neil Johnston: 3 votes, 60.70 points
[80] Chauncey Billups: 4 votes, 62.12 points
[79] Sidney Moncrief: 4 votes, 67.02 points
[78] Bill Sharman: 4 votes, 74.78 points
[77] Tracy McGrady: 5 votes, 75.25 points
[76] Bernard King: 5 votes, 81.19 points
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#48 » by Moonbeam » Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:45 am

And here was the top 75:

[75] Dikembe Mutombo: 5 votes, 81.54 points
[74] James Worthy: 5 votes, 82.88 points
[73] Dennis Rodman: 5 votes, 83.62 points
[72] Carmelo Anthony: 6 votes, 86.44 points
[71] Alonzo Mourning: 6 votes, 98.05 points
[70] Bob Lanier: 6 votes, 99.05 points
[69] Hal Greer: 6 votes, 102.13 points
[68] Alex English: 7 votes, 110.84 points
[67] Damian Lillard: 7 votes, 115.14 points
[66] Adrian Dantley: 7 votes, 121.24 points
[65] Robert Parish: 7 votes, 122.74 points
[64] Bill Walton: 6 votes, 124.33 points
[63] Bob McAdoo: 7 votes, 125.36 points
[62] Anthony Davis: 7 votes, 126.59 points
[61] Nate Thurmond: 8 votes, 137.54 points
[60] Reggie Miller: 7 votes, 142.00 points
[59] Paul Pierce: 8 votes, 142.57 points
[58] Sam Jones: 8 votes, 144.43 points
[57] Wes Unseld: 8 votes, 148.63 points
[56] Paul Arizin: 9 votes, 149.97 points
[55] Ray Allen: 9 votes, 154.08 points
[54] Dwight Howard: 8 votes, 156.89 points
[53] Artis Gilmore: 8 votes, 157.47 points
[52] Pau Gasol: 9 votes, 162.09 points
[51] Dominique Wilkins: 9 votes, 171.05 points
[50] Willis Reed: 9 votes, 184.61 points
[49] Dave Cowens: 10 votes, 186.87 points
[48] Kevin McHale: 10 votes, 190.50 points
[47] Kawhi Leonard: 9 votes, 193.74 points
[46] Russell Westbrook: 10 votes, 198.99 points
[45] Allen Iverson: 10 votes, 199.65 points
[44] Elvin Hayes: 10 votes, 201.61 points
[43] James Harden: 9 votes, 210.34 points
[42] George Gervin: 10 votes, 211.05 points
[41] Gary Payton: 10 votes, 211.31 points
[40] Dolph Schayes: 10 votes, 211.49 points
[39] Bob Cousy: 10 votes, 215.84 points
[38] Jason Kidd: 10 votes, 223.18 points
[37] Clyde Drexler: 10 votes, 225.77 points
[36] Giannis Antetokounmpo: 10 votes, 231.54 points
[35] Rick Barry: 10 votes, 239.21 points
[34] Isiah Thomas: 10 votes, 240.38 points
[33] Scottie Pippen: 9 votes, 241.72 points
[32] Walt Frazier: 10 votes, 245.94 points
[31] Steve Nash: 10 votes, 248.08 points
[30] Patrick Ewing: 10 votes, 255.93 points
[29] John Stockton: 10 votes, 259.45 points
[28] John Havlicek: 10 votes, 274.60 points
[27] Chris Paul: 10 votes, 289.53 points
[26] Elgin Baylor: 10 votes, 295.64 points
[25] Dwyane Wade: 10 votes, 300.96 points
[24] Bob Pettit: 10 votes, 307.93 points
[23] George Mikan: 10 votes, 334.18 points
[22] Charles Barkley: 10 votes, 336.07 points
[21] David Robinson: 10 votes, 345.98 points
[20] Stephen Curry: 10 votes, 350.77 points
[19] Kevin Garnett: 10 votes, 356.39 points
[18] Kevin Durant: 10 votes, 358.89 points
[17] Moses Malone: 10 votes, 360.33 points
[16] Dirk Nowitzki: 10 votes, 367.59 points
[15] Karl Malone: 10 votes, 374.64 points
[14] Julius Erving: 10 votes, 375.56 points
[13] Jerry West: 10 votes, 426.34 points
[12] Oscar Robertson: 10 votes, 429.89 points
[11] Kobe Bryant: 10 votes, 447.14 points
[10] Hakeem Olajuwon: 10 votes, 492.82 points
[9] Larry Bird: 10 votes, 512.74 points
[8] Shaquille O'Neal: 10 votes, 544.76 points
[7] Magic Johnson: 10 votes, 561.16 points
[6] Tim Duncan: 10 votes, 574.82 points
[5] Wilt Chamberlain: 10 votes, 650.06 points
[4] Bill Russell: 10 votes, 654.14 points
[3] LeBron James: 10 votes, 745.19 points
[2] Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 10 votes, 754.26 points
[1] Michael Jordan: 10 votes, 829.17 points
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#49 » by SpreeS » Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:07 am

Moonbeam wrote:And here was the top 75:

[75] Dikembe Mutombo: 5 votes, 81.54 points
[74] James Worthy: 5 votes, 82.88 points
[73] Dennis Rodman: 5 votes, 83.62 points
[72] Carmelo Anthony: 6 votes, 86.44 points
[71] Alonzo Mourning: 6 votes, 98.05 points
[70] Bob Lanier: 6 votes, 99.05 points
[69] Hal Greer: 6 votes, 102.13 points
[68] Alex English: 7 votes, 110.84 points
[67] Damian Lillard: 7 votes, 115.14 points
[66] Adrian Dantley: 7 votes, 121.24 points
[65] Robert Parish: 7 votes, 122.74 points
[64] Bill Walton: 6 votes, 124.33 points
[63] Bob McAdoo: 7 votes, 125.36 points
[62] Anthony Davis: 7 votes, 126.59 points
[61] Nate Thurmond: 8 votes, 137.54 points
[60] Reggie Miller: 7 votes, 142.00 points
[59] Paul Pierce: 8 votes, 142.57 points
[58] Sam Jones: 8 votes, 144.43 points
[57] Wes Unseld: 8 votes, 148.63 points
[56] Paul Arizin: 9 votes, 149.97 points
[55] Ray Allen: 9 votes, 154.08 points
[54] Dwight Howard: 8 votes, 156.89 points
[53] Artis Gilmore: 8 votes, 157.47 points
[52] Pau Gasol: 9 votes, 162.09 points
[51] Dominique Wilkins: 9 votes, 171.05 points
[50] Willis Reed: 9 votes, 184.61 points
[49] Dave Cowens: 10 votes, 186.87 points
[48] Kevin McHale: 10 votes, 190.50 points
[47] Kawhi Leonard: 9 votes, 193.74 points
[46] Russell Westbrook: 10 votes, 198.99 points
[45] Allen Iverson: 10 votes, 199.65 points
[44] Elvin Hayes: 10 votes, 201.61 points
[43] James Harden: 9 votes, 210.34 points
[42] George Gervin: 10 votes, 211.05 points
[41] Gary Payton: 10 votes, 211.31 points
[40] Dolph Schayes: 10 votes, 211.49 points
[39] Bob Cousy: 10 votes, 215.84 points
[38] Jason Kidd: 10 votes, 223.18 points
[37] Clyde Drexler: 10 votes, 225.77 points
[36] Giannis Antetokounmpo: 10 votes, 231.54 points
[35] Rick Barry: 10 votes, 239.21 points
[34] Isiah Thomas: 10 votes, 240.38 points
[33] Scottie Pippen: 9 votes, 241.72 points
[32] Walt Frazier: 10 votes, 245.94 points
[31] Steve Nash: 10 votes, 248.08 points
[30] Patrick Ewing: 10 votes, 255.93 points
[29] John Stockton: 10 votes, 259.45 points
[28] John Havlicek: 10 votes, 274.60 points
[27] Chris Paul: 10 votes, 289.53 points
[26] Elgin Baylor: 10 votes, 295.64 points
[25] Dwyane Wade: 10 votes, 300.96 points
[24] Bob Pettit: 10 votes, 307.93 points
[23] George Mikan: 10 votes, 334.18 points
[22] Charles Barkley: 10 votes, 336.07 points
[21] David Robinson: 10 votes, 345.98 points
[20] Stephen Curry: 10 votes, 350.77 points
[19] Kevin Garnett: 10 votes, 356.39 points
[18] Kevin Durant: 10 votes, 358.89 points
[17] Moses Malone: 10 votes, 360.33 points
[16] Dirk Nowitzki: 10 votes, 367.59 points
[15] Karl Malone: 10 votes, 374.64 points
[14] Julius Erving: 10 votes, 375.56 points
[13] Jerry West: 10 votes, 426.34 points
[12] Oscar Robertson: 10 votes, 429.89 points
[11] Kobe Bryant: 10 votes, 447.14 points
[10] Hakeem Olajuwon: 10 votes, 492.82 points
[9] Larry Bird: 10 votes, 512.74 points
[8] Shaquille O'Neal: 10 votes, 544.76 points
[7] Magic Johnson: 10 votes, 561.16 points
[6] Tim Duncan: 10 votes, 574.82 points
[5] Wilt Chamberlain: 10 votes, 650.06 points
[4] Bill Russell: 10 votes, 654.14 points
[3] LeBron James: 10 votes, 745.19 points
[2] Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 10 votes, 754.26 points
[1] Michael Jordan: 10 votes, 829.17 points


Very good list...very good
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#50 » by batmana » Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:47 pm

Moonbeam wrote:And here was the top 75:

[75] Dikembe Mutombo: 5 votes, 81.54 points
[74] James Worthy: 5 votes, 82.88 points
[73] Dennis Rodman: 5 votes, 83.62 points
[72] Carmelo Anthony: 6 votes, 86.44 points
[71] Alonzo Mourning: 6 votes, 98.05 points
[70] Bob Lanier: 6 votes, 99.05 points
[69] Hal Greer: 6 votes, 102.13 points
[68] Alex English: 7 votes, 110.84 points
[67] Damian Lillard: 7 votes, 115.14 points
[66] Adrian Dantley: 7 votes, 121.24 points
[65] Robert Parish: 7 votes, 122.74 points
[64] Bill Walton: 6 votes, 124.33 points
[63] Bob McAdoo: 7 votes, 125.36 points
[62] Anthony Davis: 7 votes, 126.59 points
[61] Nate Thurmond: 8 votes, 137.54 points
[60] Reggie Miller: 7 votes, 142.00 points
[59] Paul Pierce: 8 votes, 142.57 points
[58] Sam Jones: 8 votes, 144.43 points
[57] Wes Unseld: 8 votes, 148.63 points
[56] Paul Arizin: 9 votes, 149.97 points
[55] Ray Allen: 9 votes, 154.08 points
[54] Dwight Howard: 8 votes, 156.89 points
[53] Artis Gilmore: 8 votes, 157.47 points
[52] Pau Gasol: 9 votes, 162.09 points
[51] Dominique Wilkins: 9 votes, 171.05 points
[50] Willis Reed: 9 votes, 184.61 points
[49] Dave Cowens: 10 votes, 186.87 points
[48] Kevin McHale: 10 votes, 190.50 points
[47] Kawhi Leonard: 9 votes, 193.74 points
[46] Russell Westbrook: 10 votes, 198.99 points
[45] Allen Iverson: 10 votes, 199.65 points
[44] Elvin Hayes: 10 votes, 201.61 points
[43] James Harden: 9 votes, 210.34 points
[42] George Gervin: 10 votes, 211.05 points
[41] Gary Payton: 10 votes, 211.31 points
[40] Dolph Schayes: 10 votes, 211.49 points
[39] Bob Cousy: 10 votes, 215.84 points
[38] Jason Kidd: 10 votes, 223.18 points
[37] Clyde Drexler: 10 votes, 225.77 points
[36] Giannis Antetokounmpo: 10 votes, 231.54 points
[35] Rick Barry: 10 votes, 239.21 points
[34] Isiah Thomas: 10 votes, 240.38 points
[33] Scottie Pippen: 9 votes, 241.72 points
[32] Walt Frazier: 10 votes, 245.94 points
[31] Steve Nash: 10 votes, 248.08 points
[30] Patrick Ewing: 10 votes, 255.93 points
[29] John Stockton: 10 votes, 259.45 points
[28] John Havlicek: 10 votes, 274.60 points
[27] Chris Paul: 10 votes, 289.53 points
[26] Elgin Baylor: 10 votes, 295.64 points
[25] Dwyane Wade: 10 votes, 300.96 points
[24] Bob Pettit: 10 votes, 307.93 points
[23] George Mikan: 10 votes, 334.18 points
[22] Charles Barkley: 10 votes, 336.07 points
[21] David Robinson: 10 votes, 345.98 points
[20] Stephen Curry: 10 votes, 350.77 points
[19] Kevin Garnett: 10 votes, 356.39 points
[18] Kevin Durant: 10 votes, 358.89 points
[17] Moses Malone: 10 votes, 360.33 points
[16] Dirk Nowitzki: 10 votes, 367.59 points
[15] Karl Malone: 10 votes, 374.64 points
[14] Julius Erving: 10 votes, 375.56 points
[13] Jerry West: 10 votes, 426.34 points
[12] Oscar Robertson: 10 votes, 429.89 points
[11] Kobe Bryant: 10 votes, 447.14 points
[10] Hakeem Olajuwon: 10 votes, 492.82 points
[9] Larry Bird: 10 votes, 512.74 points
[8] Shaquille O'Neal: 10 votes, 544.76 points
[7] Magic Johnson: 10 votes, 561.16 points
[6] Tim Duncan: 10 votes, 574.82 points
[5] Wilt Chamberlain: 10 votes, 650.06 points
[4] Bill Russell: 10 votes, 654.14 points
[3] LeBron James: 10 votes, 745.19 points
[2] Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 10 votes, 754.26 points
[1] Michael Jordan: 10 votes, 829.17 points


Good job, Moonbeam, thanks for the project.
Looks like a great list, even with a smaller number of votes.
I don't mean to be rude but did someone forget to put Pippen on their list?
On that note, I was the only one (apparently) to not have the next 2 highest-ranked players on their top 75, Harden and Leonard. I am aware that I tend to underrate active players until their careers are over, especially with guys who I feel are still "incomplete", i.e. I expect them to do more (like Harden). For instance I have ranked some guys who have already achieved almost everything (Curry, Durant, Westbrook especially with the triple-double records) or who are well past their prime and essentially unlikely to improve their standings in any way (Melo).
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#51 » by wojoaderge » Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:11 pm

The final list only included 6 players I didn't include, so i'm glad I wasn't too far off. Thanks for the opportunity
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#52 » by CM17 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 11:40 pm

Great idea, Moonbeam!
I was trying to make a list, but I had only 45 players who made my list for sure. And about 50 guys to fill out the last 30 spots.
But in the end I would have chosen 10 different players.
I would definitely add Dennis Johnson. AD and Lillard are not there yet, imo.
But if this would be the NBA's top 75, I would totally be fine with it.
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#53 » by Ruma85 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 11:45 pm

batmana wrote:
Moonbeam wrote:And here was the top 75:

[75] Dikembe Mutombo: 5 votes, 81.54 points
[74] James Worthy: 5 votes, 82.88 points
[73] Dennis Rodman: 5 votes, 83.62 points
[72] Carmelo Anthony: 6 votes, 86.44 points
[71] Alonzo Mourning: 6 votes, 98.05 points
[70] Bob Lanier: 6 votes, 99.05 points
[69] Hal Greer: 6 votes, 102.13 points
[68] Alex English: 7 votes, 110.84 points
[67] Damian Lillard: 7 votes, 115.14 points
[66] Adrian Dantley: 7 votes, 121.24 points
[65] Robert Parish: 7 votes, 122.74 points
[64] Bill Walton: 6 votes, 124.33 points
[63] Bob McAdoo: 7 votes, 125.36 points
[62] Anthony Davis: 7 votes, 126.59 points
[61] Nate Thurmond: 8 votes, 137.54 points
[60] Reggie Miller: 7 votes, 142.00 points
[59] Paul Pierce: 8 votes, 142.57 points
[58] Sam Jones: 8 votes, 144.43 points
[57] Wes Unseld: 8 votes, 148.63 points
[56] Paul Arizin: 9 votes, 149.97 points
[55] Ray Allen: 9 votes, 154.08 points
[54] Dwight Howard: 8 votes, 156.89 points
[53] Artis Gilmore: 8 votes, 157.47 points
[52] Pau Gasol: 9 votes, 162.09 points
[51] Dominique Wilkins: 9 votes, 171.05 points
[50] Willis Reed: 9 votes, 184.61 points
[49] Dave Cowens: 10 votes, 186.87 points
[48] Kevin McHale: 10 votes, 190.50 points
[47] Kawhi Leonard: 9 votes, 193.74 points
[46] Russell Westbrook: 10 votes, 198.99 points
[45] Allen Iverson: 10 votes, 199.65 points
[44] Elvin Hayes: 10 votes, 201.61 points
[43] James Harden: 9 votes, 210.34 points
[42] George Gervin: 10 votes, 211.05 points
[41] Gary Payton: 10 votes, 211.31 points
[40] Dolph Schayes: 10 votes, 211.49 points
[39] Bob Cousy: 10 votes, 215.84 points
[38] Jason Kidd: 10 votes, 223.18 points
[37] Clyde Drexler: 10 votes, 225.77 points
[36] Giannis Antetokounmpo: 10 votes, 231.54 points
[35] Rick Barry: 10 votes, 239.21 points
[34] Isiah Thomas: 10 votes, 240.38 points
[33] Scottie Pippen: 9 votes, 241.72 points
[32] Walt Frazier: 10 votes, 245.94 points
[31] Steve Nash: 10 votes, 248.08 points
[30] Patrick Ewing: 10 votes, 255.93 points
[29] John Stockton: 10 votes, 259.45 points
[28] John Havlicek: 10 votes, 274.60 points
[27] Chris Paul: 10 votes, 289.53 points
[26] Elgin Baylor: 10 votes, 295.64 points
[25] Dwyane Wade: 10 votes, 300.96 points
[24] Bob Pettit: 10 votes, 307.93 points
[23] George Mikan: 10 votes, 334.18 points
[22] Charles Barkley: 10 votes, 336.07 points
[21] David Robinson: 10 votes, 345.98 points
[20] Stephen Curry: 10 votes, 350.77 points
[19] Kevin Garnett: 10 votes, 356.39 points
[18] Kevin Durant: 10 votes, 358.89 points
[17] Moses Malone: 10 votes, 360.33 points
[16] Dirk Nowitzki: 10 votes, 367.59 points
[15] Karl Malone: 10 votes, 374.64 points
[14] Julius Erving: 10 votes, 375.56 points
[13] Jerry West: 10 votes, 426.34 points
[12] Oscar Robertson: 10 votes, 429.89 points
[11] Kobe Bryant: 10 votes, 447.14 points
[10] Hakeem Olajuwon: 10 votes, 492.82 points
[9] Larry Bird: 10 votes, 512.74 points
[8] Shaquille O'Neal: 10 votes, 544.76 points
[7] Magic Johnson: 10 votes, 561.16 points
[6] Tim Duncan: 10 votes, 574.82 points
[5] Wilt Chamberlain: 10 votes, 650.06 points
[4] Bill Russell: 10 votes, 654.14 points
[3] LeBron James: 10 votes, 745.19 points
[2] Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 10 votes, 754.26 points
[1] Michael Jordan: 10 votes, 829.17 points


Good job, Moonbeam, thanks for the project.
Looks like a great list, even with a smaller number of votes.
I don't mean to be rude but did someone forget to put Pippen on their list?
On that note, I was the only one (apparently) to not have the next 2 highest-ranked players on their top 75, Harden and Leonard. I am aware that I tend to underrate active players until their careers are over, especially with guys who I feel are still "incomplete", i.e. I expect them to do more (like Harden). For instance I have ranked some guys who have already achieved almost everything (Curry, Durant, Westbrook especially with the triple-double records) or who are well past their prime and essentially unlikely to improve their standings in any way (Melo).



Gasol is in, but Bernard is not. What!!!
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#54 » by Curmudgeon » Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:00 pm

These lists always remind me of the great players who are omitted, e.g. Yao Ming,Arvydas Sabonis and Bobby Dandridge (not in the top 109) and guys who could easily have been on the list had their careers not been tragic ally cut short: Maurice Stokes, Drazen Petrovic and Reggie Lewis.
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#55 » by Moonbeam » Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:49 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:These lists always remind me of the great players who are omitted, e.g. Yao Ming,Arvydas Sabonis and Bobby Dandridge (not in the top 109) and guys who could easily have been on the list had their careers not been tragic ally cut short: Maurice Stokes, Drazen Petrovic and Reggie Lewis.


Stokes is one of the most haunting "what if" stories in league history. His relationship with Twyman is up there for the most moving part of league history, too.
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#56 » by Moonbeam » Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:40 pm

The NBA has started to reveal their top 75:

Hal Greer
Dirk Nowitzki
Bob Pettit
Oscar Robertson
Bill Russell
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Elvin Hayes
Jerry Lucas
Willis Reed
Nate Archibald
Bob Cousy
Dave Cowens
James Harden
Hakeem Olajuwon
Kevin McHale
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
George Mikan
John Stockton
Steve Nash
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#57 » by wojoaderge » Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:42 am

Moonbeam wrote:The NBA has started to reveal their top 75:

Hal Greer
Dirk Nowitzki
Bob Pettit
Oscar Robertson
Bill Russell
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kevin Durant
Elvin Hayes
Jerry Lucas
Willis Reed
Nate Archibald
Bob Cousy
Dave Cowens
James Harden
Hakeem Olajuwon
Kevin McHale
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
George Mikan
John Stockton
Steve Nash

I'm interested how to see how different their list is to mine and ours
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#58 » by BeKuK » Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:06 pm

Moonbeam wrote:And here was the top 75:
[33] Scottie Pippen: 9 votes, 241.72 points


Thanks for the list moonbeam....great job. Loved to see no. 33 at 33......^^
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#59 » by Moonbeam » Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:50 pm

50 of the 75 players have been named. Here is how they ranked on our list:

#1 Michael Jordan
#2 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
#4 Bill Russell
#5 Wilt Chamberlain
#6 Tim Duncan
#7 Magic Johnson
#9 Larry Bird
#10 Hakeem Olajuwon
#12 Oscar Robertson
#13 Jerry West
#14 Julius Erving
#15 Karl Malone
#16 Dirk Nowitzki
#17 Moses Malone
#18 Kevin Durant
#19 Kevin Garnett
#21 David Robinson
#22 Charles Barkley
#23 George Mikan
#24 Bob Pettit
#27 Chris Paul
#28 John Havlicek
#29 John Stockton
#30 Patrick Ewing
#31 Steve Nash
#32 Walt Frazier
#33 Scottie Pippen
#34 Isiah Thomas
#35 Rick Barry
#36 Giannis Antetokounmpo
#37 Clyde Drexler
#39 Bob Cousy
#42 George Gervin
#43 James Harden
#44 Elvin Hayes
#45 Allen Iverson
#48 Kevin McHale
#49 Dave Cowens
#50 Willis Reed
#56 Paul Arizin
#57 Wes Unseld
#58 Sam Jones
#61 Nate Thurmond
#64 Bill Walton
#65 Robert Parish
#69 Hal Greer
#74 James Worthy
#78 Bill Sharman
#84 Jerry Lucas
#85 Tiny Archibald

Of the 25 remaining, I think these guys are locks (along with our rankings):

#3 LeBron James
#8 Shaquille O'Neal
#11 Kobe Bryant
#20 Stephen Curry
#25 Dwyane Wade
#26 Elgin Baylor
#38 Jason Kidd
#40 Dolph Schayes
#41 Gary Payton
#46 Russell Westbrook
#47 Kawhi Leonard

That leaves 14 spots, likely among the following in our list:

#51 Dominique Wilkins
#52 Pau Gasol
#53 Artis Gilmore
#54 Dwight Howard
#55 Ray Allen
#59 Paul Pierce
#60 Reggie Miller
#62 Anthony Davis
#63 Bob McAdoo
#66 Adrian Dantley
#67 Damian Lillard
#68 Alex English
#70 Bob Lanier
#71 Alonzo Mourning
#72 Carmelo Anthony
#73 Dennis Rodman
#75 Dikembe Mutombo
#76 Bernard King
#77 Tracy McGrady
#79 Sidney Moncrief
#80 Chauncey Billups
#81 Neil Johnston
#82 Kevin Johnson
#83 Manu Ginóbili
#86 Nikola Jokić
#87 Pete Maravich
#88 George Yardley
#89 Vince Carter
#90 Lenny Wilkens
#91 Dave DeBusschere
#92 Bob Davies
#93 Ben Wallace
#94 Tony Parker
#95 Walt Bellamy
#97 Billy Cunningham
#97 Joe Fulks
#97 Rasheed Wallace
#99 Earl Monroe
#100 Dave Bing
#101 Marques Johnson
#102 Dan Issel
#103 Dennis Johnson
#104 Shawn Marion
#105 Grant Hill
#106 Tom Heinsohn
#107 Chris Bosh
#108 Slater Martin
#109 Chris Webber

What are your predictions?
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Re: RealGM Top 75 GOAT Poll 

Post#60 » by jokeboy86 » Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:18 pm

I now have no idea who the last 14 could be now. The only one I think you can say is for sure is Dominique cause of the outcry of him being left off last time. I understand how unpopular at times he seems to be but I seriously don't know how you can leave Dwight Howard off either with his accolades. Out of Allen/Miller and Pierce/Carter realistically I can only see one out of each group making the list and my bet is on the better players (Allen and Pierce). I'm now convinced that AD may not make the list and I have a feeling they're going to hold his lack of team success in NO against him. Personally the two I'm rooting for is Lillard and Ben Wallace because I feel both guys are kind of taken for granted.

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