MrBigShot wrote: narmerguy wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:Lebron has carried a lot of sub par players to championships
He’s also won with stars who was in their or out of prime and fell off quick.
Look at Bosh, Wade, Thompson, Love and Irving, Big Z, Hughes etc etc.
The before and after effect. Even roleplayers
Let’s be honest Delly is a hot potato lol
He really is the GOAT floor raiser.
I mean some lists without is such a bad bad team like number one pick convo lotto bad.
This is what is fascinating and unfortunate about Lebron's career. If you look on the surface, the names of the players he's played with sound breathtaking. But when you go in closer, for example looking at that Miami team, Wade and Bosh for half of that run were not playing at superstar levels despite their team being assembled with them taking up superstar portions of the cap. Similar for Kevin Love.
Compare this to someone like Durant, who, when he played with superstars like Steph or DPOY like Draymond, they actually delivered the performance commensurate with their reputation (and salary).
It is what it is, but it's interesting that LBJ really has had an exhausting level of responsibility on his supposed superteams. Even now, the current lakers look like doodoo (imo) and I suspect he will not be doing the coasting he and his fans imagined when this team was assembled.
It's a result of his style of play, LeBron warps the offense around himself. He has simultaneously been the floor general and #1 scoring option, so as a result he marginalizes other stars to an extent. Other stars can still excel playing with him (2011 Wade, 2020 AD, 2016 Kyrie) but its definitely an adjustment. But you obviously live with it because doing so has given his teams a good chance to compete for championships.
KD's style of play is about as portable as it gets for a superstar. He's an amazing off the ball player and can score from anywhere in any way. But I think ultimately most would agree a team spear headed by peak LeBron will always have a higher ceiling than with peak KD.
That’s the thing though Wade wasn’t the same after 13’ and Bosh same deal (could probably say earlier too) and AD/Kyrie played as good as you can get as a second option. Love same story with Wade/Bosh.
Would have love to have seen LBJ with a young All Star in the beginning stages of his career which he didn’t get.
Thing is give LBJ, Curry, Green, Klay, Iggy or basically any version of GSW from 14 onwards they would be the greatest modern team ever assembled because he’s so damn durable.
I mean LBJ with Curry and Klay is unbeatable.