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i love Iggy but he must be smoking on some good stuff

No.

Irving is probably top 4 among PG's who haven't been vaccinated.

What he did in the finals against the warriors warrants that praise. That team was excellent defensively and irving just dismantaled them in a way I haent seen a guy that small do. The guy hits so many tough shots and contested finishes and is still extremely efficent. dre thinks he klay draymond and that team are some of the best defenders ever, and kyrie just straight up iso pullup on them repeatedly, broke them down and finished over them in ways that people dont even think to do.

The massive overrating of Isiah continues. Is he even a top 75 player ever?

Players will always overrate guys they played with or against.

Even if they don’t like them. Michael Jordan has referred to Isiah as the second best point guard of all time.

I think he meant to say this year.

Kyrie Irving is one of the most different human beings I’ve ever seen play basketball.

At least he got this one right.

Whopper_Sr wrote:The massive overrating of Isiah continues. Is he even a top 75 player ever?

Yes. But he’s not a top 3 point guard.

Gawd... so freaking overrated. The guy had good handles and was a creative scorer but couldn't even get a team to the playoffs by carrying the team as the #1 guy. The only success he ever had in the league was as a 2nd best player... that's not Top 4 PG All Time material my guy.

I mean the obvious connection here is Iggy's team beat Kyrie's team a bunch in the Finals. So if Lebron is GOAT and Kyrie is near-GOAT then it makes the Warriors look even more impressive and softens the stacked team argument.

Self-serving, nothing more to see here.

Did he miss the word "scoring" in front of that? (I can at least see an argument)

Whopper_Sr wrote:The massive overrating of Isiah continues. Is he even a top 75 player ever?

Green font missing, fixed that for you.

Snakebites wrote:

Whopper_Sr wrote:The massive overrating of Isiah continues. Is he even a top 75 player ever?

Yes. But he’s not a top 3 point guard.

Probably not top 10 either.

I don't think it's that crazy but it's borderline. I'd say something closer to top 7.

Five years ago everyone would've say Westbrook over Kyrie but today, most would take Kyrie (the basketball player not the person) in an instant, in spite of Westbrook's triple doubles.

It's Magic, CP3, Steph, Oscar (was he a point or shooting guard?), Stockton, Nash, Kidd, Isiah, and Russell in some order.

Kyrie is a better shooter than all but Steph and Nash. He has the best handle and can get to his spot the best of the entire group. He has a ring and hit the game winning shot to do it. He has 7 All Stars and 3 All NBA teams. That's honestly where he's lacking the most: the All NBA teams and All Stars, because he's been injured so much. Again, I don't see top 4, but it's closer than people want to acknowledge.

Whopper_Sr wrote:The massive overrating of Isiah continues. Is he even a top 75 player ever?

Did he not win 2 titles as the main guy on his team?


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Synciere wrote:I don't think it's that crazy but it's borderline. I'd say something closer to top 7.

Five years ago everyone would've say Westbrook over Kyrie but today, most would take Kyrie (the basketball player not the person) in an instant, in spite of Westbrook's triple doubles.

It's Magic, CP3, Steph, Oscar (was he a point or shooting guard?), Stockton, Nash, Kidd, Isiah, [size=200]and Russell [/size]in some order.

Kyrie is a better shooter than all but Steph and Nash. He has the best handle and can get to his spot the best of the entire group. He has a ring and hit the game winning shot to do it. He has 7 All Stars and 3 All NBA teams. That's honestly where he's lacking the most: the All NBA teams and All Stars, because he's been injured so much. Again, I don't see top 4, but it's closer than people want to acknowledge.

Russell who?

One of these is not like the others.

"Iverson wasn't really a pg". oh? must be kyrie's floor generalship that put him solidly in the PG category. maybe because iverson was so much taller than Kyrie.