If Steph wins MVP, Chip & Finals MVP this year where does he rank ?

[WarriorGM]

Nah. At best KD equal to steph in terms of ingame impact.
It's very much the case of KD being the perfect iso player vs steph being the perfect team player.
In a 1v1 game, KD would beat steph, but in a 5v5, given a decent team, steph would beat KD.

And since basketball is a team sport, I think steph is better than KD at basketball as a team sport.

Definitely this.

Modern (Jordan-era and after) basketball fans have a strong tendency to try to do player evaluation as if they are thinking about 1 v 1, where any of the team-based skills disappear, but the NBA is 5 v 5, and that’s just how it is.

Hence to judge players you can’t ignore off-ball impact generated by dynamic gravity any more than you ignore passing or help defense.


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lol @ this nonsense. Isolation scoring remains paramount in the postseason and that's where Curry falls behind. We've seen the way he's been shut down by switch heavy schemes.

We've seen teams forced to adopt switch heavy schemes that were rarely if ever seen. We've seen Andre Iguodala and Draymond Green become FMVP worthy scorers because of defenses selling out just to stop Curry.

[Doctor MJ]

Nah. At best KD equal to steph in terms of ingame impact.
It's very much the case of KD being the perfect iso player vs steph being the perfect team player.
In a 1v1 game, KD would beat steph, but in a 5v5, given a decent team, steph would beat KD.

And since basketball is a team sport, I think steph is better than KD at basketball as a team sport.

Definitely this.

Modern (Jordan-era and after) basketball fans have a strong tendency to try to do player evaluation as if they are thinking about 1 v 1, where any of the team-based skills disappear, but the NBA is 5 v 5, and that’s just how it is.

Hence to judge players you can’t ignore off-ball impact generated by dynamic gravity any more than you ignore passing or help defense.


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lol @ this nonsense. Isolation scoring remains paramount in the postseason and that's where Curry falls behind. We've seen the way he's been shut down by switch heavy schemes.

Would you care to comment on my statement about distinguishing between post-Jordan era fan perspective compared to the history of what came before?

If you can admit to yourself at least that you don't know this history, consider taking a step back and approaching conversation with other people who know things you don't in a way that isn't so competitive. You'll learn more, and you'll come off more mature.

[Cubbies2120]

Definitely this.

Modern (Jordan-era and after) basketball fans have a strong tendency to try to do player evaluation as if they are thinking about 1 v 1, where any of the team-based skills disappear, but the NBA is 5 v 5, and that’s just how it is.

Hence to judge players you can’t ignore off-ball impact generated by dynamic gravity any more than you ignore passing or help defense.


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lol @ this nonsense. Isolation scoring remains paramount in the postseason and that's where Curry falls behind. We've seen the way he's been shut down by switch heavy schemes.

We've seen teams forced to adopt switch heavy schemes that were rarely if ever seen. We've seen Andre Iguodala and Draymond Green become FMVP worthy scorers because of defenses selling out just to stop Curry.

We've seen in the biggest moment of his career (to that point), attempting to defend a Championship, game 7, final 20 seconds, Curry gets the PERFECT opportunity:

Kevin Love gets switched onto Curry. Everyone's thinking oh man, Curry's bout to cook. Instead, Kevin frickin Love defends him and forces him into an atrocious brick

Kevin Love ain't doin that to KD - KD will easily shoot over him.

[Strepbacter]

Definitely this.

Modern (Jordan-era and after) basketball fans have a strong tendency to try to do player evaluation as if they are thinking about 1 v 1, where any of the team-based skills disappear, but the NBA is 5 v 5, and that’s just how it is.

Hence to judge players you can’t ignore off-ball impact generated by dynamic gravity any more than you ignore passing or help defense.


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lol @ this nonsense. Isolation scoring remains paramount in the postseason and that's where Curry falls behind. We've seen the way he's been shut down by switch heavy schemes.

Would you care to comment on my statement about distinguishing between post-Jordan era fan perspective compared to the history of what came before?

If you can admit to yourself at least that you don't know this history, consider taking a step back and approaching conversation with other people who know things you don't in a way that isn't so competitive. You'll learn more, and you'll come off more mature.

Your statement was little more than reductive nonsense and your arrogance is hilarious. Grow up.

[Strepbacter]

Definitely this.

Modern (Jordan-era and after) basketball fans have a strong tendency to try to do player evaluation as if they are thinking about 1 v 1, where any of the team-based skills disappear, but the NBA is 5 v 5, and that’s just how it is.

Hence to judge players you can’t ignore off-ball impact generated by dynamic gravity any more than you ignore passing or help defense.


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lol @ this nonsense. Isolation scoring remains paramount in the postseason and that's where Curry falls behind. We've seen the way he's been shut down by switch heavy schemes.

We've seen teams forced to adopt switch heavy schemes that were rarely if ever seen. We've seen Andre Iguodala and Draymond Green become FMVP worthy scorers because of defenses selling out just to stop Curry.

They were FMVP worthy because 1) Curry disappointed under the brightest lights and 2) their defense. Curry fans act like he's the only superstar to command defensive attention. It's ridiculous.

[Doctor MJ]

lol @ this nonsense. Isolation scoring remains paramount in the postseason and that's where Curry falls behind. We've seen the way he's been shut down by switch heavy schemes.

Would you care to comment on my statement about distinguishing between post-Jordan era fan perspective compared to the history of what came before?

If you can admit to yourself at least that you don't know this history, consider taking a step back and approaching conversation with other people who know things you don't in a way that isn't so competitive. You'll learn more, and you'll come off more mature.

Your statement was little more than reductive nonsense and your arrogance is hilarious. Grow up.

You don't understand how small you look to the rest of us.

[WarriorGM]

lol @ this nonsense. Isolation scoring remains paramount in the postseason and that's where Curry falls behind. We've seen the way he's been shut down by switch heavy schemes.

We've seen teams forced to adopt switch heavy schemes that were rarely if ever seen. We've seen Andre Iguodala and Draymond Green become FMVP worthy scorers because of defenses selling out just to stop Curry.

They were FMVP worthy because 1) Curry disappointed under the brightest lights and 2) their defense. Curry fans act like he's the only superstar to command defensive attention. It's ridiculous.

If leading a team of finals first timers with the longest odds of winning a championship at the beginning of the season of any championship team in the last 30 years and maybe NBA history is "disappointing under the brightest lights" I'll take it. Curry's critics keep trying to portray what he has done as easier when in fact it was harder. It's ridiculous.

[LukaTheGOAT]

This is what the first year Steph is having a great season without 2 hall-of-gamers on his team? Slow down there, buddy. His body of work as the #1 option isn’t half as great as Bron’s. He let a role player take a Finals MVP from him and was a Robin for 2/3 of his rings lmao.

Here's some food for thought:

Golden State was 33-4 with Curry on and KD off in those years they played together. They were only 28-18 the other way around.

Steph is the best shooter in the history of the league the leader of his team, and has never resorted to the disgusting superteam tactics of his peers. Its just sad how haters and influencers who try to push some other players' agenda try to discredit his role and relevance for the whole decade. He has carried his own team to a title, and almost a second one if not for the questionable suspension of Draymond and his own unfortunate injury; he won twice alongside KD, it doesnt matter who the 1A and 1B was at all. Now hes back and noone can remotely claim he has much help. And still the haters are out there denying his body of work.

The Miami Heat were 9-9 without Lebron in his stint there.

The Cleveland Cavaliers had a 4-23 record without LeBron James between the 2014-15 and 2017-18 seasons.

[ILOVEIT]

the reality is no mvp

no chip

0/3 finals mvp

he was already exposed by KD

Interesting take....

How about:
Curry wins one final...loses in the second final but beats Durant's team on the way to that finals.
Durant joins...wins two chips on the best team to ever be assembled but was already a two time finals 73 win team.
Curry has won without Durant.
Durant as never won a finals without Curry.

And in your opinion, you place Durant above Curry?

[Duke4life831]

If GS wins the championship this year and Steph wins MVP. I cant wait until 5-6 years from now when people just completely ignore and act like this season didnt happen. Or we hear how actually a team starting Andrew Wiggins and Kevon Looney is actually a super team.

[ILOVEIT]

This is what the first year Steph is having a great season without 2 hall-of-gamers on his team? Slow down there, buddy. His body of work as the #1 option isn’t half as great as Bron’s. He let a role player take a Finals MVP from him and was a Robin for 2/3 of his rings lmao.

He willingly became "Robin" only because Durant is incapable of being anything other than a Batman. Curry easily could have been Batman, but he needed to alter his game to accommodate KD, for the sake of the team. That's not his fault. Also arguable he wasn't Batman a lot of times when they needed him to be anyway.

You think he couldn't average 40 ppg and get all the attention if he wanted to? That's why they have 3 championships and would have more if not for key injuries, he puts the team above himself.

Ahh I love the mental gymnastics there. He was never as good as KD and he never will be, stop it bruh. He’s a great player but there’s levels to this, even though KD is a snake I can’t deny that.

Curry has won without Durant...Durant has never won without Curry.
When Durant was out the Warriors still won at a high clip.
When Curry was out...they were not nearly as good.
Best shooter of all time....two time MVP...the only unanimous MVP in history.
....and he's not on the same level as Durant...Bruh?

If you really understand basketball you realize that entire teams scheme to stop Curry....they don't change their entire defenses to guard Durant.

Curry is also one of the greatest team player in history when it comes to unselfishness and chemistry.

[ILOVEIT]

lol @ this nonsense. Isolation scoring remains paramount in the postseason and that's where Curry falls behind. We've seen the way he's been shut down by switch heavy schemes.

We've seen teams forced to adopt switch heavy schemes that were rarely if ever seen. We've seen Andre Iguodala and Draymond Green become FMVP worthy scorers because of defenses selling out just to stop Curry.

We've seen in the biggest moment of his career (to that point), attempting to defend a Championship, game 7, final 20 seconds, Curry gets the PERFECT opportunity:

Kevin Love gets switched onto Curry. Everyone's thinking oh man, Curry's bout to cook. Instead, Kevin frickin Love defends him and forces him into an atrocious brick

Kevin Love ain't doin that to KD - KD will easily shoot over him.

I don't disagree with this. It's my one glaring complaint about Curry...that he has come up short in the biggest of games when the ball is in his hands and the clock is ticking down and he doesn't come out on top. Most recent example is the two play in games last year...no way LeBron should have been the guy hitting the dagger three to win that game. No way.

Curry is an all time great BUT he MUST have that moment again in the finals and come up clutch. If he doesn't then that final game 7 choke will haunt his legacy.

[J_T]

One spot behind Westbrook.

With that said, there is no way Steph can keep it up. He can't. He will be 34 years old this season. He survived Wilson ball, he survived change of rules? If this was to happen, I think he is comparable to Magic Johnson, though. Maybe a spot behind him. But because it's not happening, he remains out of top 10.

[WarriorGM]

One spot behind Westbrook.

With that said, there is no way Steph can keep it up. He can't. He will be 34 years old this season. He survived Wilson ball, he survived change of rules? If this was to happen, I think he is comparable to Magic Johnson, though. Maybe a spot behind him. But because it's not happening, he remains out of top 10.

Curry's critics keep trying to suggest and infer with innuendo that Curry is fake when the truth is he is the most genuine baller out there. You can believe the manufactured media awards or you can believe the basic self-explanatory records.

I'll take the wins record over the triple double record anytime.

[nfmos]

I can only imagine the type of heat Kobe would have taken if he was as pathetic a defender as Curry is.

Anyone that still thinks Curry is a pathetic defender, their opinion should just be dismissed because its obvious they dont watch the games. His team is the top defensive team in the league and has been near the top much of the time during their championship run, but somehow Curry has such pathetic defense its hurting his team.

He has nothing to do with his team being great on defense and he is pretty pathetic on defense. There's a reason he gets hidden every night.

Again, ignorant opinion and proof you just listen to narratives and dont watch the games, but thanks for making that clear.

[nfmos]

One spot behind Westbrook.

With that said, there is no way Steph can keep it up. He can't. He will be 34 years old this season. He survived Wilson ball, he survived change of rules? If this was to happen, I think he is comparable to Magic Johnson, though. Maybe a spot behind him. But because it's not happening, he remains out of top 10.

Behind Westbrook???

You must be joking or trolling because there is no way Westbrick belongs in the same breath as Curry for any all time discussions.

[Hoopstar23]

One spot behind Westbrook.

With that said, there is no way Steph can keep it up. He can't. He will be 34 years old this season. He survived Wilson ball, he survived change of rules? If this was to happen, I think he is comparable to Magic Johnson, though. Maybe a spot behind him. But because it's not happening, he remains out of top 10.

GTFO LMAO

[Jables]

I think certain people would have to acknowledge they've been ranking players wrong, personally think Durant would take more of a hit than LeBron if he gets MVP only to see Curry lead the Warriors to a ring. LeBron is too entrenched as the face of the league, people would be falling over themselves to say Curry doesn't make his teammates better or some bull.

[Hobo4President]

He doesn't move at all, unless his play warrants it

[dcstanley]

why do ppl put lebron so high?

Because brainwash by league, media, Nike happens.

If Steph wins again, without any questionable tampering, team constuction, superstar help, it is legitimate to ask what exactly puts LeBron above him, imho. To many people Steph not Bron may be the player of this generation. Not only focussing on the player but also how the game has changed - this is Stephs' league and the game went towards his finesse / crazy shooting style, not Brons' raw force / athleticism.

If steph wins another title and mvp how can anyone put Lebron ahead of him? You give Curry a real superstar to play next to in Kd and everyone whines it’s unfair. You put a real superstar next to Lebron and you might win a title less than 50% chance any given year. Lebron has always had more talent on his teams, Curry is just able to lift his talent he plays with to greater heights. I’m fully expecting by the end of the year they’re going to call this iteration of the warriors a super team like 2015. Haha

Let's ignore the fact that he was on a team with three other top 25 players. Gift Lebron a team with KD, Klay, Draymond, and Iggy and he's winning championships. Put Curry on teams like the 2003-2009 Cavs, the 2018 Cavs, the 2019 Lakers and he's struggling to make the playoffs like last season.