Lockdown504090 wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:Lockdown504090 wrote:its because of his role defensively. He has the best player all the time, hes going to get scored on. Then theres scheme, which doesnt allow him to get better stats and they match his minutes with the other teams best player, and often run lineups where his job is to play the guy without a lot of help to prevent the star from getting playmaking oppourtunities. Then theres the fact that the guys subbing him are all defenders and thats going to hurt his rating as well. Its just a stupid stat, the knicks have the 8th best defense and the guy with the overwhelming best draptor is derrick rose, who teams are actively looking to get matched up on their best player. Measuring something happening with the ball on offense is one thing, but measuring the absense of something happening(scoring) which defensive metrics want to do in a game with 5 guys and 1 ball isnt the same thing and theyre trying to make it so. 538 doesnt even think DRAPTOR is a serious way of measuring defensive impact and there isnt a coach in the league that even cares.
Essentially there isn't anything fundamentally flawed with either stat, especially when combined, you just do not like that stats do not back-up the eye test?
Which, that is a fine conclusion to come to. Its just the eye test isn't measurable, it's an opinion. Therefore, trying to discredit stats with no real alternative to factually prove your opinion, is not wise.
Sidebar, the Knicks have the 8th best defense by which metric?
You realize draymond is 68th in draptor and blake griffin is top 10 right?
Depends on the minutes played slider but yes I see through 16 games played Blake has a +6.7 compared to Dray who has a +1.0... However, I'm also aware that Dray is 2nd in DBPM at +3.7 when filtered or 12th when unfiltered versus Blake's +0.1. Hence, why I told you at the outset that I use these stats in conjunction with each other. I do not want to rely strictly on box metrics alone, why I incorporate a stat that has tracking data embedded in its calculation.
Therefore, I'm not sure this is a great gotcha moment, Blake isn't some awful defender like RJ is.
P.S. the Knicks are 18th in Drtg, 17th in defensive efficiency, and 18th in Drtg/A. Not sure where you pulled the 8th place ranking from, I guess leaning on the eye test while watching film... But 8th is wrong and inaccurate.