Are the Spurs last few seasons going to hurt Pop's reputation?

Moderators: jamaalstar21, Harry Garris, Dirk, ken6199, infinite11285, Domejandro, bwgood77, bisme37, zimpy27, KingDavid

ceiling raiser
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,900
And1: 3,280
Joined: Jan 27, 2013

Are the Spurs last few seasons going to hurt Pop's reputation? 

Post#1 » by ceiling raiser » Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:26 am

Rightly or wrongly, there's a lot of "what have you done for me lately" when people rate the careers of coaches. Other guys in the pantheon of great coaches didn't really stay around for terrible seasons, or at least had talent in those seasons:

Auerbach - Literally retired after an 8-peat lol and they failed to win a title for the first time since 1968 the next year.
Riley - He stayed around for that awful 07-08 season, however they did still have Wade and had Shaq for some time. He also transitioned back to the front office full time, and they won more.
Jackson - Retired after 2011. They still had Kobe and Pau, too. He wasn't a very good executive for the Knicks but people have mostly forgotten this.

These aren't the "best" three coaches all-time, per se (Daly, Hannum, Rudy T, all won multiple titles with high levels of difficulty, and frankly the single title that Brown, Bud, Carisle, Ramsay, and Nurse won were all nearly as impressive as multiple title runs from other coaches), but this is really Pop's competition all-time for "greatest" coaches.

The only other coaches all-time with 3+ championships are Kundla (who seems to be hand-waved away since his titles were pre-shot clock, even if this might be unfair) and Kerr (who is still early in his career). Honestly, if the Warriors win another ring post-KD, Kerr might get the nod over Pop among some.

All legendary coaches had legendary players, but I wonder if Popovich will be viewed as a product of Duncan, and to a lesser degree Robinson, Ginobili, and Leonard. Especially if they don't finish on a high note following a rebuild.
Now that's the difference between first and last place.
User avatar
The High Cyde
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,801
And1: 7,249
Joined: Jun 06, 2014
Location: Wano Kuni
     

Re: Are the Spurs last few seasons going to hurt Pop's reputation? 

Post#2 » by The High Cyde » Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:09 am

No, I think his legacy is pretty much set. Which is a strong candidate for the GOAT coach.
Image
naabzor
Veteran
Posts: 2,767
And1: 2,435
Joined: Jul 03, 2014

Re: Are the Spurs last few seasons going to hurt Pop's reputation? 

Post#3 » by naabzor » Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:49 am

Lol close this thread please.
Rich Michmond
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,506
And1: 2,579
Joined: Jan 24, 2013
Location: российско-немецкий кондоминиум под еврейским доверительным управлением

Re: Are the Spurs last few seasons going to hurt Pop's reputation? 

Post#4 » by Rich Michmond » Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:52 am

No, many successful coaches had mediocre stints at the end of their careers (Holzman, Motta, Adelman, Karl) and nobody seems to care.
Gordon Haywood, Dwayne Wade, JJ Reddick, Derek Rose, Derrick Fisher, Lenny Wilkins, Kirk Heinrich, Oscar Robinson, DeMar DeRozen, Andre Iguadola, Pascal Siakim, Malcolm Brogdan
ceiling raiser
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,900
And1: 3,280
Joined: Jan 27, 2013

Re: Are the Spurs last few seasons going to hurt Pop's reputation? 

Post#5 » by ceiling raiser » Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:54 am

Rich Michmond wrote:No, many successful coaches had mediocre stints at the end of their careers (Holzman, Motta, Adelman, Karl) and nobody seems to care.

I don't disagree that Pop will be viewed as a successful coach. I just wonder if this hurts him in comparison to Auerbach, Riley, Jackson, and will to some extent vs Kerr. Those are his peers in terms of achievement all-time.
Now that's the difference between first and last place.
brutalitops
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,953
And1: 4,874
Joined: Feb 20, 2014
Location: Perth, Australia
     

Re: Are the Spurs last few seasons going to hurt Pop's reputation? 

Post#6 » by brutalitops » Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:44 am

Nope
JN61
Head Coach
Posts: 7,103
And1: 5,630
Joined: Jan 07, 2018
 

Re: Are the Spurs last few seasons going to hurt Pop's reputation? 

Post#7 » by JN61 » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:01 am

People forget these things and nobody pays attention to spurs failures at this point anyway so it's all good.
User avatar
IAMZOOTED2
Starter
Posts: 2,305
And1: 1,233
Joined: Mar 05, 2017
Location: Somewhere west of east and south of north
 

Re: Are the Spurs last few seasons going to hurt Pop's reputation? 

Post#8 » by IAMZOOTED2 » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:02 am

I love and respect what Pop has done for the game. His players went to war for him and still adore him... they have the bruises and trophies to show for it. What's more the guy has been doing more with less since Duncan, Manu, and Tony retired...

But I'm sure if you asked Pop, he would say that yes, these past few years of mediocrity do add at least a smudge.
A single sharp pepper is better than a basketful of gourds.
User avatar
AdagioPace
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,967
And1: 5,996
Joined: Jan 03, 2017
Location: Contado di Molise
   

Re: Are the Spurs last few seasons going to hurt Pop's reputation? 

Post#9 » by AdagioPace » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:47 am

he had the balls to stay and coach a **** team (unlike Phil Jackson). His legacy doesn't depend on Keldon Johnson and Lonnie Walker's FG%
"La natura gode della natura; la natura trionfa sulla natura; la natura domina la natura" - Ostanes
User avatar
Fadeaway_Jumper
Pro Prospect
Posts: 863
And1: 2,211
Joined: Feb 06, 2014
   

Re: Are the Spurs last few seasons going to hurt Pop's reputation? 

Post#10 » by Fadeaway_Jumper » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:11 pm

Nick Nurse has been a better coach then Popavich over the past few years. Even this year with less talent Raptors have a better record. I think Nurse is really underrated and Popavich has been overrated
dhsilv2
RealGM
Posts: 29,512
And1: 13,629
Joined: Oct 04, 2015

Re: Are the Spurs last few seasons going to hurt Pop's reputation? 

Post#11 » by dhsilv2 » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:15 pm

Doubt it changes anything, but for me I'll never really see Pop as a coach. he's the president of basketball operations. His role is far larger than that of just a coach.
sfballa13
"Anthony Davis is a top 10 playoff performer in NBA History"
QingJames
Senior
Posts: 666
And1: 892
Joined: Apr 13, 2021
 

Re: Are the Spurs last few seasons going to hurt Pop's reputation? 

Post#12 » by QingJames » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:26 pm

Fadeaway_Jumper wrote:Nick Nurse has been a better coach then Popavich over the past few years. Even this year with less talent Raptors have a better record. I think Nurse is really underrated and Popavich has been overrated

I don’t think Nurse has less talent than Pop this year. And he’s not close to Pop in overall greatness right now. But I do think it was conspicuous that OP included Bud’s single title run as one of the most difficult ever but left Nurse off that list. Also kinda conspicuous that Spo wasn’t mentioned at all in the OP.
User avatar
hauntedcomputer
Senior
Posts: 590
And1: 914
Joined: Apr 18, 2021
Contact:

Re: Are the Spurs last few seasons going to hurt Pop's reputation? 

Post#13 » by hauntedcomputer » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:34 pm

Only on RealGM do fans have the attention span of a gnat. In ten years, his entire body of work will be there as a mass, crushing the minds of weak message-board arguments.
+++
Schadenfreude is undefeated.
ceiling raiser
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,900
And1: 3,280
Joined: Jan 27, 2013

Re: Are the Spurs last few seasons going to hurt Pop's reputation? 

Post#14 » by ceiling raiser » Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:06 pm

QingJames wrote:I don’t think Nurse has less talent than Pop this year. And he’s not close to Pop in overall greatness right now. But I do think it was conspicuous that OP included Bud’s single title run as one of the most difficult ever but left Nurse off that list. Also kinda conspicuous that Spo wasn’t mentioned at all in the OP.

Nurse is a good mention, I'll add him.

Spo only won two titles, neither of which was a high degree of difficulty, so he wouldn't qualify.
Now that's the difference between first and last place.
Saul Goodman
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,099
And1: 1,897
Joined: Feb 27, 2013
         

Re: Are the Spurs last few seasons going to hurt Pop's reputation? 

Post#15 » by Saul Goodman » Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:18 pm

No he’s firmly set. 20 straight in the playoffs is next to impossible feat. I think there should be more to be said about his love and dedication to the game at this point more than just pure wins and losses. Eventually if you stay coaching long enough you’re going to end up coaching bad teams but the fact that he’s still going shows more than just pure wins and losses at this point.
2016 GMAT Blazers

Howard/Nene/
Griffin/M.Leonard/T.Jones
Porter/Marc.Morris/J.Johnson
McCollum/Stauskas/Thompson/Seldon
Lillard/Bayless/DeColo
LofJ
RealGM
Posts: 10,403
And1: 8,321
Joined: Mar 29, 2014
   

Re: Are the Spurs last few seasons going to hurt Pop's reputation? 

Post#16 » by LofJ » Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:33 pm

They have the least amount of talent in the league after the Rockets, Thunder, and Pistons. If anything they're slightly better record wise than you'd expect them to be.
Bornstellar
Analyst
Posts: 3,567
And1: 8,336
Joined: Mar 05, 2018
 

Re: Are the Spurs last few seasons going to hurt Pop's reputation? 

Post#17 » by Bornstellar » Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:38 pm

Lol no. He is one of the top 3 GOAT coaches and had probably the most impressive coaching job of all time from 2012-2014. Have you seen our rosters the last couple of years? No coach in history is doing anything with those teams
User avatar
ItsDanger
RealGM
Posts: 11,710
And1: 8,002
Joined: Nov 01, 2008

Re: Are the Spurs last few seasons going to hurt Pop's reputation? 

Post#18 » by ItsDanger » Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:47 pm

Best coaches get the most out of the least. Tim retired when?
Organization can be defined as an organized body of people with a particular purpose. Not random.
Slim Charlez
Veteran
Posts: 2,505
And1: 2,666
Joined: Jan 15, 2017
   

Re: Are the Spurs last few seasons going to hurt Pop's reputation? 

Post#19 » by Slim Charlez » Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:49 pm

Here comes the monthly RealGm Pop bashing.
Slim Charlez
Veteran
Posts: 2,505
And1: 2,666
Joined: Jan 15, 2017
   

Re: Are the Spurs last few seasons going to hurt Pop's reputation? 

Post#20 » by Slim Charlez » Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:53 pm

Fadeaway_Jumper wrote:Nick Nurse has been a better coach then Popavich over the past few years. Even this year with less talent Raptors have a better record. I think Nurse is really underrated and Popavich has been overrated


Huh??? Have you actually seen both rosters? The Raptors have Siakam, Scottie Barnes, OG, FVV while the Spurs have Dejounte Murray and?.... IDK who this Popavich is, but Nick Nurse definitely has a better roster to work with than Popovich.

Return to The General Board