Hoopshype's "20 Greatest PGs ever" list

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Hoopshype's "20 Greatest PGs ever" list 

Post#1 » by GSWFan1994 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:44 pm

After posting the PFs, SFs and SGs lists, here comes the latest one:

1. Magic Johnson
2. Oscar Robertson
3. Jerry West
4. Stephen Curry
5. Isiah Thomas
6. Chris Paul
7. John Stockton
8. Steve Nash
9. Bob Cousy
10. Jason Kidd
11. Gary Payton
12. Russell Westbrook
13. Damian Lillard
14. Walt Frazier
15. Nate Archibald
16. Pete Maravich
17. Tony Parker
18. Lenny Wilkens
19. Kyrie Irving
20. Dave Bing

Here's the full article if you wanna check the players' accolades & brief reasoning behind the ranking.

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Post#2 » by -Luke- » Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:55 pm

I think I'd have Curry already at 2. But it's hard to compare. I know Oscar and West only from a few youtube videos, articles, books and stats.
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Post#3 » by MelTurpin » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:02 pm

John Stockton is better than Isiah Thomas.
So much more efficient. fg%51.5 >45.2. 3fg%: 38.4>29
plus longevity -- 19 seasons to 14 seasons.
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Post#4 » by eminence » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:08 pm

Thomas forever overrated.

WB and Dame right next to one another feels a little odd.
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Post#5 » by fanofthegreats » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:21 pm

Steph should be number 2, but I guess I’m okay with Oscar and West above him even though I feel he’s a better player than both.

And Zeke continues to be massively overrated as a player.
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Post#6 » by wojoaderge » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:23 pm

Clyde is way too low and Pistol was a SG. Pretty good though
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Post#7 » by Eric Bieniemy » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:39 pm

Thomas is overrated for sacrificing his numbers to lead a dynastic team to multiple championship runs while taking over playoff games in the process?

Y'all keep pleasuring yourselves on OnlyStats.com. I'll keep reading stats AND watching actual games for context.

If you switch Thomas and Stockton, Detroit gets worse and the Jazz get better. Detroit loses its leader and Utah gains a guy who can take over games offensively, something they desperately needed to get over the hump.
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Post#8 » by Eric Bieniemy » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:42 pm

Curry is the definition of a shooting guard. The only thing PG about him is his height.

There's a reason Golden State (and Curry) is at their best when Curry is surrounded by multiple ball-handlers ... because they thrive when Curry is a mini-Reggie Miller playing off-ball in constant motion running off screens.
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Post#9 » by algope » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:43 pm

For me is good overall but Thomas is too high and Frazier too low.
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Post#10 » by jpengland » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:44 pm

Thomas over Stockton. Lol.
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Post#11 » by Stalwart » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:57 pm

Steph should be #2. Chris Paul should be several spots lower. Im ok with Russ at 12 but Frazier and parker should be right behind him.

Dame Lillard has no business being ranked that high and Maravich was a SG. Billups should be on this list somewhere.
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Post#12 » by Stalwart » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:58 pm

Isiah Thomas will forever be a better athlete, better leader, and a more dynamic player than John Stockton.
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Post#13 » by Kingsway_fan » Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:29 pm

pete maravich and Jerry West are SGs....
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Post#14 » by Eric Bieniemy » Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:38 pm

Stalwart wrote:Isiah Thomas will forever be a better athlete, better leader, and a more dynamic player than John Stockton.

Most importantly, he's a better winner.

He beat the three best players I've ever seen: Magic, Jordan, and Bird.

What advanced statistic measures winning rings?
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Post#15 » by ZombieKilla » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:04 pm

Calvin Murphy?
Should have made either the PG or the SG list.
Two-way player at 5'9 who has more career points than Magic, Kidd, Nash, McHale, Cousy, Webber, etc...
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Post#16 » by BlzMwt » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:48 pm

Eric Bieniemy wrote:
Stalwart wrote:Isiah Thomas will forever be a better athlete, better leader, and a more dynamic player than John Stockton.

Most importantly, he's a better winner.

He beat the three best players I've ever seen: Magic, Jordan, and Bird.

What advanced statistic measures winning rings?


Did he beat them by himself?
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Post#17 » by xAIRNESSx » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:54 pm

I'm no NBA historian, but was Oscar Robertson really that good to be #2?
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Post#18 » by wojoaderge » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:58 pm

xAIRNESSx wrote:I'm no NBA historian, but was Oscar Robertson really that good to be #2?

Yes: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/roberos01.html
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Post#19 » by Eric Bieniemy » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:04 pm

BlzMwt wrote:
Eric Bieniemy wrote:
Stalwart wrote:Isiah Thomas will forever be a better athlete, better leader, and a more dynamic player than John Stockton.

Most importantly, he's a better winner.

He beat the three best players I've ever seen: Magic, Jordan, and Bird.

What advanced statistic measures winning rings?


Did he beat them by himself?

Nope. It's a team game, but he was their leader and best player.

Jordan didn't win spit without Phil Jackson, Pippen's ascension, and Grant/Rodman, Magic without Worthy, Kareem, and Scott/Cooper, and Bird without McHale, DJ, Parish, and Ainge. Your point is weak.

Detroit wouldn't have given one thought to trading Thomas for Stockton though (if offered).

No denying that Utah on the other hand needed Thomas' moxy and scoring to win some playoff series' that they lost.

They would've at the very least considered a Stockton for Thomas trade (if offered).

Stats be damned.

Stockton easily beats Thomas in stats and longevity, if that's all that you consider, but Thomas was the better leader, possessing more winning intangibles. Thomas' ability to take over games in the playoffs that led to winning rings separates the two.

Thomas on the Jazz wins more in the playoffs. Detroit with Stockton don't win rings. Both teams needed their PG to assist and take over games, and Thomas did the latter so much better than Stockton.
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Post#20 » by Prez » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:15 pm

Might be in the minority on this but I’d rather have prime Kyle Lowry on my team than Tony Parker or Kyrie.
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