2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt. 1)

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Who is the MVP so far? (Poll Re-set 1/14/22)

Stephen Curry
12
6%
Nikola Jokic
77
36%
Giannis Antetokounmpo
68
32%
Kevin Durant
5
2%
Joel Embiid
22
10%
Chris Paul
7
3%
Ja Morant
5
2%
Rudy Gobert
2
1%
DeMar Derozan
4
2%
LeBron James
10
5%
 
Total votes: 212

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Post#1081 » by Infinite Llamas » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:52 pm

The Lazy Potato wrote:Man, Giannis' improvement in playmaking and assisting are things that I feel are not talked about enough. Of course, it helps that his teammates were hitting their shots tonight, but I feel this is an aspect of his game that is overseen. I view both Jokic and Giannis in the same breath when it comes to playmaking.


Playmaking? Sure.

Passing? Jokic is on a different stratosphere
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Post#1082 » by MindState » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:04 pm

Please take Curry off of this list.
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Post#1083 » by antonac » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:29 pm

I'm a hard Jokic stan but Denver just haven't been good enough.

It's not even about win/loss ratios, the numbers do matter but shouldn't be everything, it's that Denver feel beatable by anyone.

They have had a hard schedule but their record is as much down to blowing it against absolute garbage teams as it has just constantly facing good ones. also, the team is threadbare but the covid situation has meant that this is an under-strength year. sixers don't have simmons, the nets didn't have kyrie, Davis has been out, Kawhi and George have been out.

Jokic has been great, great enough that if Denver turn it around in the latter half and end up with a better record he looks as good a shot as anyone, but your team needs to be at least good if it's not a contender and this year he's barely made them average.

Giannis for me right now.
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Post#1084 » by holdenwait » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:26 pm

Giannis starting to run away with it

unless Grizzlies don't lose a single game til the end of the season , then it's Ja :winkgrin:
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Post#1085 » by KGtabake » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:46 pm

Infinite Llamas wrote:
The Lazy Potato wrote:Man, Giannis' improvement in playmaking and assisting are things that I feel are not talked about enough. Of course, it helps that his teammates were hitting their shots tonight, but I feel this is an aspect of his game that is overseen. I view both Jokic and Giannis in the same breath when it comes to playmaking.


Playmaking? Sure.

Passing? Jokic is on a different stratosphere


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Post#1086 » by SeniorWalker » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:52 pm

If Denver can climb just a little bit, I will consider Jokic a lot more.

Right now I'd vote for Giannis, in what is kind of a weird year with a lot of candidates on teams riddled with issues.

This thing is far from over though. Any of Giannis, Jokic, Durant and even Curry still have a lot of room left to take the lead. And don't let me forget about Embiid.

Lakers suck and LeBron is blatantly stat padding trying to catch the cumulative awards. I wouldn't even consider LeBron and its hilarious to me that his name even came up at all, very predictable stuff. LeBron has a literal army of writers and talking heads that refuse to prioritize anything else. This same group said Jokic "can't win" because of team record. If the Lakers make a dramatic turn around I'll eat my words, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that. They really are very fortunate to even be a.500 team.
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Post#1087 » by Jadoogar » Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:30 pm

My ballot right now is:
1. Giannis
2. KD
3. Steph
4. Jokic
5. Rudy Gobert (controversial i know)

I feel bad for Jokic, if his team was healthy he would be challenging for #1. His plus minus is insane and is almost singlehandedly carrying that team.
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Post#1088 » by Sgt Major » Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:32 pm

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-jan-14-2022-edition

Updated NBA MVP ladder

1. Giannis Antetokounmpo
2. Nikola Jokic
3. Kevin Durant
4. Joel Embiid
5. DeMar DeRozan
6. Stephen Curry
7. Ja Morant
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Post#1089 » by SeniorWalker » Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:39 pm

Sgt Major wrote:https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-jan-14-2022-edition

Updated NBA MVP ladder

1. Giannis Antetokounmpo
2. Nikola Jokic
3. Kevin Durant
4. Joel Embiid
5. DeMar DeRozan
6. Stephen Curry
7. Ja Morant

I forgot about Demar. It feels weird to have him in the discussion, as he's not a typical MVP level player, but he deserves consideration.

Ja as well. I actually liked him in the preseason to make some noise in the MVP race, happy to see it manifest.
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Post#1090 » by falcolombardi » Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:19 pm

SeniorWalker wrote:If Denver can climb just a little bit, I will consider Jokic a lot more.

Right now I'd vote for Giannis, in what is kind of a weird year with a lot of candidates on teams riddled with issues.

This thing is far from over though. Any of Giannis, Jokic, Durant and even Curry still have a lot of room left to take the lead. And don't let me forget about Embiid.

Lakers suck and LeBron is blatantly stat padding trying to catch the cumulative awards. I wouldn't even consider LeBron and its hilarious to me that his name even came up at all, very predictable stuff. LeBron has a literal army of writers and talking heads that refuse to prioritize anything else. This same group said Jokic "can't win" because of team record. If the Lakers make a dramatic turn around I'll eat my words, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that. They really are very fortunate to even be a.500 team.


how do you even statpad points ? specially in a team that needs every point it can get from lebron to stay afloat
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Post#1091 » by Jadoogar » Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:26 pm

SeniorWalker wrote:
Sgt Major wrote:https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-jan-14-2022-edition

Updated NBA MVP ladder

1. Giannis Antetokounmpo
2. Nikola Jokic
3. Kevin Durant
4. Joel Embiid
5. DeMar DeRozan
6. Stephen Curry
7. Ja Morant

I forgot about Demar. It feels weird to have him in the discussion, as he's not a typical MVP level player, but he deserves consideration.

Ja as well. I actually liked him in the preseason to make some noise in the MVP race, happy to see it manifest.


Could this be Ja's Derrick Rose year? Grizzlies are only a few games out of first.
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Post#1092 » by SeniorWalker » Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:49 pm

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SeniorWalker wrote:If Denver can climb just a little bit, I will consider Jokic a lot more.

Right now I'd vote for Giannis, in what is kind of a weird year with a lot of candidates on teams riddled with issues.

This thing is far from over though. Any of Giannis, Jokic, Durant and even Curry still have a lot of room left to take the lead. And don't let me forget about Embiid.

Lakers suck and LeBron is blatantly stat padding trying to catch the cumulative awards. I wouldn't even consider LeBron and its hilarious to me that his name even came up at all, very predictable stuff. LeBron has a literal army of writers and talking heads that refuse to prioritize anything else. This same group said Jokic "can't win" because of team record. If the Lakers make a dramatic turn around I'll eat my words, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that. They really are very fortunate to even be a.500 team.


how do you even statpad points ? specially in a team that needs every point it can get from lebron to stay afloat

Ill tell you. When you're down 20-30 points and your team has no chance of winning the game, and you're out there shot jacking trying to make sure you get yours. On top of that, when you know you need to average a certain number of points to catch the alltime records.

Don't get me wrong, LeBron has to score for the Lakers to win. I honestly just like poking fun of the LeBron media and idolators. You all come running in all directions to defend him, like frontline soliders on a battlefield.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt. 1) 

Post#1093 » by falcolombardi » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:13 pm

SeniorWalker wrote:
falcolombardi wrote:
SeniorWalker wrote:If Denver can climb just a little bit, I will consider Jokic a lot more.

Right now I'd vote for Giannis, in what is kind of a weird year with a lot of candidates on teams riddled with issues.

This thing is far from over though. Any of Giannis, Jokic, Durant and even Curry still have a lot of room left to take the lead. And don't let me forget about Embiid.

Lakers suck and LeBron is blatantly stat padding trying to catch the cumulative awards. I wouldn't even consider LeBron and its hilarious to me that his name even came up at all, very predictable stuff. LeBron has a literal army of writers and talking heads that refuse to prioritize anything else. This same group said Jokic "can't win" because of team record. If the Lakers make a dramatic turn around I'll eat my words, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that. They really are very fortunate to even be a.500 team.


how do you even statpad points ? specially in a team that needs every point it can get from lebron to stay afloat

Ill tell you. When you're down 20-30 points and your team has no chance of winning the game, and you're out there shot jacking trying to make sure you get yours. On top of that, when you know you need to average a certain number of points to catch the alltime records.

Don't get me wrong, LeBron has to score for the Lakers to win. I honestly just like poking fun of the LeBron media and idolators. You all come running in all directions to defend him, like frontline soliders on a battlefield.


how many games has that happened? i dont remember any game right now where lakers were down 30 in the quarter and lebron stayed in the court

if anythingh lakers are having close games nearly every game, which is usual for middling teams that are not too good to blowout rivals or too bad to be blown out often

in regards to your last point, dont you think is a bit odd to call defending a player as a fanboy action? after all as Long as is done respectfully "defending" or "attacking" a player is what we do everyday here after all

if disagrweing with a criticism makes you a fanboy, everybody in real gm would be guilty, probably you and me included
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Post#1094 » by Castle Black » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:35 pm

1. Giannis
2. Jokic
3. KD
4. Embiid
5. Curry
6. DeMar
7. Ja

That’s the list right now. The top-2 are a step above the others imo.
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Post#1095 » by TheFutureMM » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:37 pm

SeniorWalker wrote:
Sgt Major wrote:https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-jan-14-2022-edition

Updated NBA MVP ladder

1. Giannis Antetokounmpo
2. Nikola Jokic
3. Kevin Durant
4. Joel Embiid
5. DeMar DeRozan
6. Stephen Curry
7. Ja Morant

I forgot about Demar. It feels weird to have him in the discussion, as he's not a typical MVP level player, but he deserves consideration.

Ja as well. I actually liked him in the preseason to make some noise in the MVP race, happy to see it manifest.


Demar making 1st Team All-NBA would be insane. Really happy for him and the Bulls.
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Post#1096 » by eyeatoma » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:51 pm

Cubbies2120 wrote:

Also, he wasn't the frontrunner - LeBron was going into the all star break (according to all betting odds) at twice as likely as Embiid to win it.


Lol, wrong again.

https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/31038407/joel-embiid-overtakes-lebron-james-favorite-win-mvp

Philadelphia 76ers star Joel Embiid overtook Los Angeles Lakers forward LeBron James last week and is now the consensus favorite to win the regular-season MVP award at sportsbooks around the nation. Embiid is listed at +200 to win MVP at Caesars Sportsbook by William Hill, followed by James at +225.


This was just not Ceaser's he was the betting favorite across all major betting sites heading into all-star break.

Yes, he did slow down after coming back from injury, but at that point the damage was done, and yes, Jokic did regain the lead. But that's not what I said was it, I said at the All-star break he was the favorite. If he hadn't missed time, he probably wouldn't have lost his rhythm, and would have had enough of a cushion to have a few bad games, which he might not have.
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Post#1097 » by eyeatoma » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:54 pm

Jadoogar wrote:My ballot right now is:
1. Giannis
2. KD
3. Steph
4. Jokic
5. Rudy Gobert (controversial i know)

I feel bad for Jokic, if his team was healthy he would be challenging for #1. His plus minus is insane and is almost singlehandedly carrying that team.


Even more controversial that EMbiid isn't in your top 5 lol.
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Post#1098 » by eyeatoma » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:55 pm

antonac wrote:I'm a hard Jokic stan but Denver just haven't been good enough.

It's not even about win/loss ratios, the numbers do matter but shouldn't be everything, it's that Denver feel beatable by anyone.

They have had a hard schedule but their record is as much down to blowing it against absolute garbage teams as it has just constantly facing good ones. also, the team is threadbare but the covid situation has meant that this is an under-strength year. sixers don't have simmons, the nets didn't have kyrie, Davis has been out, Kawhi and George have been out.

Jokic has been great, great enough that if Denver turn it around in the latter half and end up with a better record he looks as good a shot as anyone, but your team needs to be at least good if it's not a contender and this year he's barely made them average.

Giannis for me right now.


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Post#1099 » by eyeatoma » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:57 pm

holdenwait wrote:Giannis starting to run away with it

unless Grizzlies don't lose a single game til the end of the season , then it's Ja :winkgrin:


I wouldn't say running away with it. Bucks record isn't that impressive yet. They are a top 3 team, and can easily slip. One month left before the end of the season is when we will see the MVP case really solidify.
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Post#1100 » by Jadoogar » Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:31 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Jadoogar wrote:My ballot right now is:
1. Giannis
2. KD
3. Steph
4. Jokic
5. Rudy Gobert (controversial i know)

I feel bad for Jokic, if his team was healthy he would be challenging for #1. His plus minus is insane and is almost singlehandedly carrying that team.


Even more controversial that EMbiid isn't in your top 5 lol.


Yea his case is similar to Jokic but Jokic has better numbers.

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